Can any non-abstract defeat the Celestials?

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ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by zopzop
It's the same damn character. How was he diminished? You got proof on panel that his size affects his durability or power output? I'll wait for it but I'm betting you got nothing. In fact you've provided nothing by way of proof or scans that supports your point, just your usual temper tantrums.
Because in one instance, he's the size of a man and in the other he's 50x the size of the Sun. You already know that when he becomes stellar sized he's capable of casually tearing apart stars with his bare hands. Don't tell me you're suggesting he's that physically strong when he was on Earth dealing with the New Mutants.

It's one thing to troll and repeat yourself, flopflop. It's another to go full stupid while doing so. Don't insult yourself by believing you're doing anything else but impotently trolling, desperately projecting, ignoring on-panel evidence and repeating yourself. We both know you're not actually stupid.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by ODG
Because in one instance, he's the size of a man and in the other he's 50x the size of the Sun. You already know that when he becomes stellar sized he's capable of casually tearing apart stars with his bare hands. Don't tell me you're suggesting he's that physically strong when he was on Earth dealing with the New Mutants.

It's one thing to troll and repeat yourself, flopflop. It's another to go full stupid while doing so. Don't insult yourself by believing you're doing anything else but impotently trolling, desperately projecting, ignoring on-panel evidence and repeating yourself. We both know you're not actually stupid.


So you have ZERO proof that his size affects his power output or durability right? Otherwise you'd produce it. What's also laughable about Magus, he was exhausting himself fighting Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler!

So we have a guy that performed a high herald level feat ONCE, then did nothing of that caliber EVER again, exhausted himself against 3 X-Men and was forced to retreat, and ultimately went on to be completely undone by Professor X and the New Mutants. 🙄

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ Zero proof that his size effects his power and durability... Other than the proof we've already been discussing?

You understand the difference between a diminished Magus at his weakest that is trying to wrestle with Rogue:

And a Magus that is 45 million miles wide and capable of casually tearing stars in half:

flopflop, you're not stupid. So stop trying to equate the most diminished, the most weakest version of Magus with the version of the character we were discussing.

In fact, you do it again and pretend that Magus at his best doesn't have an on-panel feat proving his power increases with his size, you're reported for trolling and lying.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by ODG
^ Zero proof that his size effects his power and durability... Other than the proof we've already been discussing?

You understand the difference between a diminished Magus at his weakest that is trying to wrestle with Rogue:

And a Magus that is 45 million miles wide and capable of casually tearing stars in half:

flopflop, you're not stupid. So stop trying to equate the most diminished, the most weakest version of Magus with the version of the character we were discussing.

In fact, you do it again and pretend that Magus at his best doesn't have an on-panel feat proving his power increases with his size, you're reported for trolling and lying.


Ok fine, let's play this game. How was Magus depowered/diminished when he tussled with the X-men and later New Mutants and by who? When did this happen, what issue? Why was he unable to regain his former high herald levels of power?

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by zopzop
Ok fine, let's play this game. How was Magus depowered/diminished when he tussled with the X-men and later New Mutants and by who? When did this happen, what issue? Why was he unable to regain his former high herald levels of power?
There is no game. You wanted on-panel proof that his power levels change with the amount of matter/energy he's assimilated. Now that you've got it shoved in your face -- even though you've always known about it since we've been talking about him ripping apart stars at giant-size -- you can happily shut up. Enough of the trolling. And I'm not entertaining your goalpost moving. Your blatant trollish lowballing of Magus has been exposed and dealt with and that's that.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by ODG
There is no game. You wanted on-panel proof that his power levels change with the amount of matter/energy he's assimilated. Now that you've got it shoved in your face -- even though you've always known about it since we've been talking about him ripping apart stars at giant-size -- you can happily shut up. Enough of the trolling. And I'm not entertaining your goalpost moving. Your blatant trollish lowballing of Magus has been exposed and dealt with and that's that.

I've seen that scan and knew he did that. So you haven't shown me anything new. Like I said that star ripping feat is meaningless since Drax tore a star apart and Deadpool hurled a star at the Surfer.

Why don't you answer my questions though? You said he was diminished ever since New Mutants 18 (because he hasn't done anything remotely near that level again). I asked : How was he diminished and by who? What issue did this take place in? Why wasn't he able to regain his former level of power?

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ We all know you were aware of it, flopflop. Which is why what you've been doing for the last half dozen posts is troll and lie about pretending that Magus' power doesn't change with his size. Just like we all know you're aware that there's a vast difference between casually tearing entire suns in half and classic Drax going all-out to tear a starcore.

Why don't you read the comic books and find out for yourself? You forced me to find and upload and post scans because of your blatant trollery. You don't get to demand anything else because you don't have a leg to stand on after your lowballing tirade against Magus got busted. Get a new hobby, flopflop. After all, you said you were done a page ago. Nobody's interested in having you extend yet another classicly flopflop trainwreck any further. The humor has worn out.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by ODG
^ We all know you were aware of it, flopflop. Which is why what you've been doing for the last half dozen posts is troll and lie about pretending that Magus' power doesn't change with his size. Just like we all know you're aware that there's a vast difference between casually tearing entire suns in half and classic Drax going all-out to tear a starcore.

Why don't you read the comic books and find out for yourself? You forced me to find and upload and post scans because of your blatant trollery. You don't get to demand anything else because you don't have a leg to stand on after your lowballing tirade against Magus got busted. Get a new hobby, flopflop. After all, you said you were done a page ago. Nobody's interested in having you extend yet another classicly flopflop trainwreck any further. The humor has worn out.


Why don't you answer my questions though? You said he was diminished ever since New Mutants 18 (because he hasn't done anything remotely near that level again). I asked : How was he diminished and by who? What issue did this take place in? Why wasn't he able to regain his former level of power? Where is it stated that he can't access his full power unless he's in his giant form?

I'm still waiting for you to answer those questions. But I can see it's pointless.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by zopzop
Why don't you answer my questions though? You said he was diminished ever since New Mutants 18 (because he hasn't done anything remotely near that level again). I asked : How was he diminished and by who? What issue did this take place in? Why wasn't he able to regain his former level of power? Where is it stated that he can't access his full power unless he's in his giant form?

I'm still waiting for you to answer those questions. But I can see it's pointless.

Because I'm not wikipedia. I'm not here to cure your ignorance of the character, his history or his adventures.

We all know your trolling and lying was pointless.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't She Rulk rip pieces off of a Death Celestial?

Apparently it was only a promotional poster .

Edit : Also ,iirc , apart from the "Celestial" in their name , the DCs haven't been established to have any other connections to the actual Celestials .

TheGodKiller True Killer

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Originally posted by ODG
^ Zero proof that his size effects his power and durability... Other than the proof we've already been discussing?

You understand the difference between a diminished Magus at his weakest that is trying to wrestle with Rogue:

And a Magus that is 45 million miles wide and capable of casually tearing stars in half:

flopflop, you're not stupid. So stop trying to equate the most diminished, the most weakest version of Magus with the version of the character we were discussing.

In fact, you do it again and pretend that Magus at his best doesn't have an on-panel feat proving his power increases with his size, you're reported for trolling and lying.

Hmm.... Do you think there would be any way to find out how fast he did that? And how fast that piece of star was moving when he threw it?

Also do you have a source for him being 45 million miles tall?

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by ODG
Because I'm not wikipedia. I'm not here to cure your ignorance of the character, his history or his adventures.

We all know your trolling and lying was pointless.


Whatever. You KNOW he was never depowered/diminished and you are just beating around the bush. Even his BEST on panel feat is something in the Herald level range power wise and you are clinging on to that ONE feat because you know he never had anything approaching that again feat wise and his fights were lackluster and against pathetic foes and he STILL took loses!

Some Herald level feats :
Drax - destroys a planet in his fight with Thanos (shared feat), goes on to destroy a planet all by himself, rips a star apart.
Herald Deadpool - throws an entire star at Silver Surfer.
Thor/Dargo/BRB/Eric : shore up the multiverse with their Godblasts
Sersi - protects her teammates and herself against an attack that caused an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to blink out of existence.
Hercules : held up the heavens (unquantifiable?)
Silver Surfer : channeled the energy of the Big Crunch itself (to kill two Cosmic Gods)
Superman and Captain Marvel - held up an INFINITE weight
Ultraman - held up an INFINITE weight by himself

None of these beings or all of them put together would beat a Celestial barring exploit weakness. We haven't even touched on Trans level characters and their feats or Skyfathers. And as we all saw, the PREMIER skyfather, 1000 years of prep (Destroyer Armor), his entire nation, and the Oversword of Asgard was all but helpless against the Fourth Host.

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Horrificus Senior Member

Originally posted by zopzop
It's the same damn character. How was he diminished? You got proof on panel that his size affects his durability or power output? I'll wait for it but I'm betting you got nothing. In fact you've provided nothing by way of proof or scans that supports your point, just your usual temper tantrums.
Actually, it really isn't the same character. It is more like a piece of the character.
Obviously, if it was the full character, all the Magus would have to do is rub up against the earth, crushing it and he would have won those battles, without any exotic powers or intent.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Horrificus
Actually, it really isn't the same character. It is more like a piece of the character.
Obviously, if it was the full character, all the Magus would have to do is rub up against the earth, crushing it and he would have won those battles, without any exotic powers or intent.

How many times has he grown to that giant size? Even when they fought in limbo he was nowhere near the size of a sun or planet. He's NEVER done anything like what he did in New Mutants 18 ever again! Don't you find that the LEAST bit odd?

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by zopzop
Whatever. You KNOW he was never depowered/diminished and you are just beating around the bush.
There's a difference between a sun-sized Magus tearing apart stars and a man-sized Magus wrestling with Rogue. You say there isn't, despite the scans that were posted, then you're reported. No more warnings for your blatant lying and trolling.
Originally posted by zopzop
Even his BEST on panel feat is something in the Herald level range power wise
Heralds do not casually tear apart entire suns and fling their star matter around to one shot planets. Keep repeating your busted arguments, flopflop.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by ODG
There's a difference between a sun-sized Magus tearing apart stars and a man-sized Magus wrestling with Rogue. You say there isn't, despite the scans that were posted, then you're reported. No more warnings for your blatant lying and trolling.

It was the SAME character! You have to PROVE that he was somehow diminished or depowered when he fought the X-Men and later the New Mutants/Prof. X. What issue did this depowering take place in and who depowered him? Why wasn't he able to regain his full power? If he wasn't depowered or anything were was it stated that he can't access his full power unless he's giant size?

Heralds do not casually tear apart entire suns and fling their star matter around to one shot planets. Keep repeating your busted arguments, flopflop.

I GAVE you examples of herald feats that were in the same league or EXCEEDING that ONE TIME Magus feat. There are probably more I've missed.

Some Herald level feats :
Drax - destroys a planet in his fight with Thanos (shared feat), goes on to destroy a planet all by himself, rips a star apart.
Herald Deadpool - throws an entire star at Silver Surfer.
Thor/Dargo/BRB/Eric : shore up the multiverse with their Godblasts
Sersi - protects her teammates and herself against an attack that caused an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to blink out of existence.
Hercules : held up the heavens (unquantifiable?)
Silver Surfer : channeled the energy of the Big Crunch itself (to kill two Cosmic Gods)
Superman and Captain Marvel - held up an INFINITE weight
Ultraman - held up an INFINITE weight by himself

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by zopzop
It was the SAME character! You have to PROVE that he was somehow diminished or depowered when he fought the X-Men and later the New Mutants/Prof. X.
Reported for repeatedly lying and trolling about Magus not having different levels of power.

Even after you stepped back and conceded after I posted the scans in the third post on this page, you turned around and started lying again. And again. And again. You don't get to ignore the scans. And your lying needs to stop.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by ODG
Reported for repeatedly lying and trolling about Magus not having different levels of power.

Even after you stepped back and conceded after I posted the scans in the third post on this page, you turned around and started lying again. And again. And again. You don't get to ignore the scans. And your lying needs to stop.


How am I lying or trolling? YOU were the one that said he was diminished ever since his first appearance in New Mutants 18. I simply asked WHAT ISSUE did this take place in? How was he depowered? Who depowered him? If he WASN'T ever depowered, where was it stated that he can only access his full power in giant form? You can't answer these questions because you know YOU are lying. He was NEVER depowered by anyone and it was NEVER stated anywhere that he can only access his full power in giant form. Your tantrums and name calling is all you have.

Then I GAVE YOU examples of Herald level feats that match or exceed anything Magus did on panel. Cry to the mods all you want, they can see the truth in my posts.