Can any non-abstract defeat the Celestials?

Originally posted by zopzop
Let me get this straight, you HAVE NO ON PANEL PROOF of any type of depowerment (nor was one even hinted at) and you are just assuming something happened that depowered him off panel between New Mutants 18 and X-Men 192? You seriously arguing that? 😕

No, you're not. You're just a liar. And you're trolling me again. Another winner from you. Good job derailing another topic with your lying and lowballing despite scans being posted proving you wrong.

Originally posted by ODG
Let me get this straight, you HAVE NO ON PANEL PROOF that he was at the same level of power (despite him being shrunk down from star-size to man-size) and you are just assuming something like Rogue can wrestle with enemies strong enough to tear apart entire stars and obliterate planets? You seriously arguing that? 😕

No, you're not. You're just a liar. And you're trolling me again. Another winner from you. Good job derailing another topic with your lying and lowballing despite scans being posted proving you wrong.

You have zero proof he was depowered on panel between his first appearance in New Mutants 18 up to his final humiliation at the hands of Prof X and the New Mutants 50. You have zero proof that it was even HINTED at that he lost power since he first appeared in New Mutants 18.

His most powerful opponent was Prof X.

This guy is gonna challenge a Celestial?

Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm yes? Rogue can hold her own vs herald level characters and drain SOME their power, exactly like she did vs the Magus.

Originally posted by zopzop
You have zero proof he was depowered on panel between his first appearance in New Mutants 18 up to his final humiliation at the hands of Prof X and the New Mutants 50. You have zero proof that it was even HINTED at that he lost power since he first appeared in New Mutants 18.

Magus at full power can grow to the size of a star and casually tear apart stars with his bare hands one-shotting entire planets while chasing Warlock across space:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus04.jpg

Magus at lesser power can grow to the size of a mountain and tear apart a planet and treat Binary like a flea while fighting the Starjammers:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Magus09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus06.jpg

Magus at lesser power can grow to the size of a house and nearly conquer Limbo while fighting Magik:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus08.jpg

Magus at his most diminished and weakest, can get into a fistfight with Rogue and Colossus:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus01.jpg

Stop lying that there's no proof that he can attain different levels of power depending on how much energy/matter he assimilates. You are a blatant liar. A bitter liar. And your trolling needs to stop.

Hmm, people that are astract level can, anything under a Celestial would own. I can probably do it though.

Originally posted by ODG
Rogue's not strong enough to fight a star-sized character that can tear apart stars. Stop lying and trolling.

You have zero proof he was at the same levels of power on panel between his first appearance in New Mutants 18 up to the point he finally lands on Earth in a man-sized form wrestling with Rogue. You have zero proof that it was even HINTED at that he retained the same power since he first appeared in New Mutants 18.

Magus at full power can grow to the size of a star and casually tear apart stars with his bare hands one-shotting entire planets while chasing Warlock across space:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus04.jpg

Magus at lesser power can grow to the size of a mountain and tear apart a planet and treat Binary like a flea while fighting the Starjammers:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Magus09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus06.jpg

Magus at lesser power can grow to the size of a house and nearly conquer Limbo while fighting Magik:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus08.jpg

Magus at his most diminished and weakest, can get into a fistfight with Rogue and Colossus:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus01.jpg

Stop lying that there's no proof that he can attain different levels of power depending on how much energy/matter he assimilates. You are a blatant liar. A bitter liar. And your trolling needs to stop.

Going up against Prof X and the New Mutants AND LOSING totally qualifies him for having a shot at taking down a Celestial!.🙄

^ Liar can't even accept the scans laid out for him.

Hilarious. Not only have you not shown that he ALWAYS retains the same power regardless of size, you STILL haven't show HOW Rogue can supposedly wrestle a being that is strong enough to on-panel tear apart stars in his most massive form!

You are a blatant liar and a bitter troll. You lie about scans all the time. You are lying about these scans right now. One of the bottom-line worst liars on these forums. And the level of lying you are committing right now is atrocious.

Battlezone you on whether Magus can achieve different levels of power. Own up or shut up with your lying.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Liar can't even accept the scans laid out for him.

You are a blatant liar and a bitter troll.

I don't get what you think you've accomplished? You have yet to back up your statement that he was depowered between New Mutants 18 till his final defeat in New Mutants 50!

^ Stop lying about the scans. Stop ignoring them. You don't get to demand scans and proof and then arbitrarily ignore them because they prove you wrong in every which way.

Battlezone you on whether Magus can achieve different levels of power. Own up or shut up with your lying.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Stop lying about the scans. Stop ignoring them. You don't get to demand scans and proof and then arbitrarily ignore them because they prove you wrong in every which way.

Battlezone you on whether Magus can achieve different levels of power. Own up or shut up with your lying.

Can you please share it? So we can see how and why he was depowered and why he can't achieve his former high herald level of strength.

Originally posted by zopzop
What would be the point of the Battlezone? You apparently have a secret issue or something that states he was depowered since his initial appearance in New Mutants 18.

Can you please share it? So we can see how and why he was depowered and why he can't achieve his former high herald level of strength.

Stop lying about scans that are posted. Go read some comics. Stop demanding more scans when you will just lie more about them. Go run away the instant you're challenged.

Magus PL is star+

Originally posted by ODG
You are a desperate liar. But you aren't so desperate that you're foolish enough to accept a challenge to prove your lies in a controlled environment in front of a wider audience. Your charade and trollery here is so obvious that it falls away at even the slightest challenge.

Stop lying about scans that are posted. Go read some comics. Stop demanding more scans when you will just lie more about them. Go run away the instant you're challenged.

Show me on panel proof that he was depowered between his initial appearance in New Mutants 18 to when he showed up in the pages of the X-Men. Or up till his final defeat at the hands of Prof X and the New Mutants. That's all you have to do.

There is no narration or character statement even hinting at it. Produce the scan.

Originally posted by zopzop
If anything YOU are the troll. You make a statement "he was depowered/diminished" and you can't back it up with anything on panel.

Show me on panel proof that he was depowered between his initial appearance in New Mutants 18 to when he showed up in the pages of the X-Men. Or up till his final defeat at the hands of Prof X and the New Mutants. That's all you have to do.

There is no narration or character statement even hinting at it. Produce the scan.

Produce any proof that proves Magus stays at a single static level. Your reliance on the absence of a character statement doesn't override the multiple feats and pieces of on-panel proof that I've posted.

But we all know you understand that you have nothing, literally nothing to back your stance up. And that's why you run away scared to do a battlezone. You're content to lie and troll in this thread but not in front of others who will unanimously call you out on your blatant lying.

Keep lying, flopflop. It's all you're good for after three straight pages of it.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Magus PL is star+

Soo, Magus can/can't beat a Celestial? TBH I'm a bit confused...

Originally posted by ODG
Calling you out for the lying you've been doing for several pages is not being a troll. It's being honest. Stop lying. Stop lying that I haven't posted proof. Stop lying that they don't prove you wrong.

Produce any proof that proves Magus stays at a single static level. Your reliance on the absence of a character statement doesn't override the multiple feats and pieces of on-panel proof that I've posted.

But we all know you understand that you have nothing, literally nothing to back your stance up. And that's why you run away scared to do a battlezone. You're content to lie and troll in this thread but not in front of others who will unanimously call you out on your blatant lying.

Keep lying, flopflop. It's all you're good for after three straight pages of it. As proven on-panel when at peak power. 👆 And lying doesn't change that.

Your own scans prove that he got owned by Prof X and the New Mutants.

Your own scans prove that his best feat was a one time thing and even then it wasn't beyond herald level in scope. I even provided you with examples of heralds doing things that match or exceeded anything Magus has done on panel :
Some Herald level feats :
Drax - destroys a planet in his fight with Thanos (shared feat), goes on to destroy a planet all by himself, rips a star apart.
Herald Deadpool - throws an entire star at Silver Surfer.
Thor/Dargo/BRB/Eric : shore up the multiverse with their Godblasts
Sersi - protects her teammates and herself against an attack that caused an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to blink out of existence.
Hercules : held up the heavens (unquantifiable?)
Silver Surfer : channeled the energy of the Big Crunch itself (to kill two Cosmic Gods)
Superman and Captain Marvel - held up an INFINITE weight
Ultraman - held up an INFINITE weight by himself
Gladiator - busting a planet in a few punches (since that impresses you so much)
Anti-Phoenix Necrom - hurling moons, igniting gas giants into stars, and devastating an entire solar system
Silver Surfer/Morg fight - devastated an entire solar system

Originally posted by zopzop
You make a statement and back it up with NOTHING then accuse me of being a liar and a troll? Do you understand that your very scans PROVE he never again attained stellar size right?

You just keep begging for proof, ignore the proof, lie about proof, beg for more proof, lie about more proof, beg people explain comics you never care to read, then run away as soon as your challenged.

You've derailed the thread by insisting on your lying and trolling for pages and pages. But I suppose it'll have to be enough that your lying and trolling got exposed. And it'll have to be enough when you show your utter inability to even discuss the character properly when you run away from a simple challenge because even you know you haven't any proof.

Take the battlezone or keep running away with your blatant lying. <--- We know you'll never change though as can be seen from this thread.

Originally posted by ODG
You just make lies and back it up with NOTHING then act like you didn't just lie and troll for pages. Do you understand that you haven't posted a single scan even remotely suggesting that Magus remains at a static power level no matter how much mass/energy he absorbs?

You just keep begging for proof, ignore the proof, lie about proof, beg for more proof, lie about more proof, beg people explain comics you never care to read, then run away as soon as your challenged.

You've derailed the thread by insisting on your lying and trolling for pages and pages. But I suppose it'll have to be enough that your lying and trolling got exposed. And it'll have to be enough when you show your utter inability to even discuss the character properly when you run away from a simple challenge because even you know you haven't any proof.

Take the battlezone or keep running away with your blatant lying. <--- We know you'll never change though as can be seen from this thread.

Point 2 : Even at his absolute best, he didn't do anything that would place him outside the high herald group. I even gave examples of things high heralds have done that were as impressive or even MORE impressive than the BEST Magus has ever done on panel. Repeated here for the umpteenth time :
Some Herald level feats :
Drax - destroys a planet in his fight with Thanos (shared feat), goes on to destroy a planet all by himself, rips a star apart.
Herald Deadpool - throws an entire star at Silver Surfer.
Thor/Dargo/BRB/Eric : shore up the multiverse with their Godblasts
Sersi - protects her teammates and herself against an attack that caused an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to blink out of existence.
Hercules : held up the heavens (unquantifiable?)
Silver Surfer : channeled the energy of the Big Crunch itself (to kill two Cosmic Gods)
Superman and Captain Marvel - held up an INFINITE weight
Ultraman - held up an INFINITE weight by himself
Gladiator - busting a planet in a few punches (since that impresses you so much)
Anti-Phoenix Necrom - hurling moons, igniting gas giants into stars, and devastating an entire solar system
Silver Surfer/Morg fight - devastated an entire solar system

You haven't addressed either point and resulted to name calling and running to the mods.

^ Ready to battlezone me or are you just going to continue lying about scans and spam copy-pasted irrelevant garbage, flopflop? Let's see how judges think about your theory that Rogue can wrestle with a massive star-sized being that tears stars in half casually.

Continue to run away with your lying and trolling.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Ready to battlezone me or are you just going to continue lying about scans and spam copy-pasted irrelevant garbage, flopflop? Let's see how judges think about your theory that Rogue can wrestle with a massive star-sized being that tears stars in half casually.

Continue to run away with your lying and trolling.

Originally posted by zopzop
How the fxxk would I win a battlezone against a guy that makes up stories as he goes along? You can't even tell me WHERE, WHEN, HOW, Magus was diminished (assuming he even was because it's NEVER stated anywhere on panel). You just came out and stated that and never backed it up with ANYTHING on panel.

I didn't make up scans. I posted em. A lot of them. You're just being a sore loser because you're butthurt over star-sized Magus at his peak casually tearing apart stars and chucking them at planets. So you have to lowball him by focusing on his weakest/diminished man-sized form wrestling Rogue and pretending that he's just as powerful as he was when he tore apart stars.

What a childish lie. You are so petulant, it's embarrassing carrying on a conversation with you. You are, very clearly, one of the worst lying trolls I've ever come across. One of the absolute worst. Because even when you get caught in a lie, you just continue lying blatantly like nothing's wrong.

But we both know you'll never take a battlezone challenge because you don't want your lying and trolling exposed even further. You're content to troll the hell out of this thread with irrelevant off-topic garbage and lies. Congratulations for running away from yet another battlezone challenge, flopflop.

It takes a troll to lie about scans. It takes a coward to run away from being challenged on your lying. And you're both.