Can any non-abstract defeat the Celestials?

Originally posted by zopzop
How am I lying or trolling? YOU were the one that said he was diminished ever since his first appearance in New Mutants 18. I simply asked WHAT ISSUE did this take place in? How was he depowered? Who depowered him? If he WASN'T ever depowered, where was it stated that he can only access his full power in giant form? You can't answer these questions because you know YOU are lying. He was NEVER depowered by anyone and it was NEVER stated anywhere that he can only access his full power in giant form. Your tantrums and name calling is all you have.

You don't know enough about Magus, but that's your responsibility. Not our's. And refusing to read his appearances on your own is no basis or justification for you lying about scans that were posted.

Originally posted by zopzop
Then I GAVE YOU examples of Herald level feats that match or exceed anything Magus did on panel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Cry to the mods all you want, they can see the truth in my posts.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Zero proof that his size effects his power and durability... Other than the proof we've already been discussing?

You understand the difference between a diminished Magus at his weakest that is trying to wrestle with Rogue:

And a Magus that is 45 million miles wide and capable of casually tearing stars in half:

flopflop, you're not stupid. So stop trying to equate the most diminished, the most weakest version of Magus with the version of the character we were discussing.

In fact, you do it again and pretend that Magus at his best doesn't have an on-panel feat proving his power increases with his size, you're reported for trolling and lying.

Originally posted by zopzop
How many times has he grown to that giant size? Even when they fought in limbo he was nowhere near the size of a sun or planet. He's NEVER done anything like what he did in New Mutants 18 ever again! Don't you find that the LEAST bit odd?

Originally posted by ODG
You're trolling because you repeatedly keep lowballing Magus by repeatedly referring to his most weakest/diminished level of power tussling with Rogue, Nightcrawler and Colossus. You're lying because you repeatedly keep saying there's no proof that he has differing levels of power even though scans have been posted showing that his matter/energy assimilation powers have brought him to levels of power that make him larger than the Sun and capable of casually tearing apart stars in half.

You don't know enough about Magus, but that's your responsibility. Not our's. And refusing to read his appearances on your own is no basis or justification for you lying about scans that were posted. You gave no examples of heralds casually tearing apart stars in half. You're trolling and blatantly lying because of some newfound irrational hatred of yet another fictional character. I'm not crying to the mods. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. Which is instead of aggravating this scene of trolling, aggressively flaming you outright, and derailing this thread even further, is reporting you for lying and trolling about scans:

If you are saying he was somehow depowered after his first appearance in New Mutants 18, I'm asking you to back up this statement with ON PANEL PROOF. What issue was he depowered in? Who depowered him? Why couldn't he regain his full power once he was depowered? If he was NEVER depowered, where was it stated that he can only access his full energy if he's in giant form?

Then I went on to give you feats by herald level beings that were in the same general category, with some even exceeding, Magus' ONE TIME feat.

Here I'll repeat them again :
Some Herald level feats :
Drax - destroys a planet in his fight with Thanos (shared feat), goes on to destroy a planet all by himself, rips a star apart.
Herald Deadpool - throws an entire star at Silver Surfer.
Thor/Dargo/BRB/Eric : shore up the multiverse with their Godblasts
Sersi - protects her teammates and herself against an attack that caused an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to blink out of existence.
Hercules : held up the heavens (unquantifiable?)
Silver Surfer : channeled the energy of the Big Crunch itself (to kill two Cosmic Gods)
Superman and Captain Marvel - held up an INFINITE weight
Ultraman - held up an INFINITE weight by himself

Originally posted by Horrificus
Wrong. The point is, that normally, he is of that gigantic size. He sends parts of himself around to other places.
He didn't grow to that size once in a while. THAT is him.
And, I don't think it's odd. I think it sucks.
Create a character, give it vast power, then have it defeated by a puppy. Poor writing.

See that's your problem. For all his "vast" power you have him doing something in the herald category. To make things worse, he NEVER did anything like that again. The saddest thing is, he was humiliated by THREE X-Men and put to rest (regressed to a baby and reprogrammed) by Prof X and the New Mutants! He's NEVER faced a foe more powerful than Professor X! Think about it.

Originally posted by zopzop
You keep repeating your statement that he was weakened/diminished ever since New Mutants 18. I'm asking you to PROVE THIS. You made the statement not me. I said it was the SAME MAGUS. It was the same Magus in New Mutants 18 up till New Mutants 50.

Originally posted by zopzop
If you are saying he was somehow depowered after his first appearance in New Mutants 18, I'm asking you to back up this statement with ON PANEL PROOF. What issue was he depowered in? Who depowered him? Why couldn't he regain his full power once he was depowered? If he was NEVER depowered, where was it stated that he can only access his full energy if he's in giant form?

Originally posted by zopzop
Then I went on to give you feats by herald level beings that were in the same general category, with some even exceeding, Magus' ONE TIME feat.

You've repeatedly lied about Magus. And you continue to do so despite scans blatantly proving you wrong. THERE IS PROOF THAT MAGUS CAN HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF POWER. And you keep lying that there is none. Before and after the scans were posted proving you wrong.

Originally posted by ODG
Magus was not the size of a Sun when he fought Rogue, Colossus and Nightcrawler. Stop trolling me. Magus was not strong enough to casually tear apart stars and casually tearing stars apart in half when he wrestled with Rogue, Nighcrawler and Colossus. Stop trolling me. Read the comics yourself. You repeatedly demanded scans, even though you already were aware of the scans. You know for a fact that Magus is of the Technarchy race that assimilates matter and energy since you saw in his fight against Rogue, Colossus and Nightcrawler that he was using these abilities in his weakened/diminished form. So you're lying that you don't know enough about Magus' powers and what would explain the differences in power level. Stop trolling me. None of those feats were casual. As was repeatedly pointed out to you. Tell me about a feat where a Herald has casually done something as powerful as tearing apart a star in half and then chucking a piece at a planet destroying it. Stop trolling me.

You've repeatedly lied about Magus. And you continue to do so despite scans blatantly proving you wrong. THERE IS PROOF THAT MAGUS CAN HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF POWER. And you keep lying that there is none. Before and after the scans were posted proving you wrong.

NOWHERE was it stated EVER that he was weakened since his initial appearance in New Mutants 18. That's why I keep asking for scans or even issues where it was stated he was depowered like you claim. NOWHERE was it stated that he can only access his power in giant form.

Now you are saying the Herald level feats I listed weren't causal? Well you have a point there. Channeling the Big Crunch to destroy two Cosmic Gods isn't easy. Protecting you and your teammates against a force that caused a UNIVERSE to wink out of existence isn't easy. Lifting an INFINITE weight isn't easy. Shoring up the walls of multiple REALITIES isn't easy. But they are STILL Herald level feats that exceed ANYTHING Magus did on panel..........................ONCE.

^ Lying and trolling again. You keep trolling by lowballing him mentioning his weakest form. You keep trolling by demanding a "statement" that he was weakened. He obviously was weakened because he wasn't bigger than the Sun and running around tearing apart entire stars in half. Neither of need a statement when we have on-panel proof. On-panel proof that you demanded I post and I posted and you just ignore.

And you're blatantly lying. You already know about his adventures in Limbo where he started assimilating and grew too powerful for the New Mutants and was tearing apart a planet since you mentioned it back on page 3. And you knew about him being Sun-sized and tearing apart stars BEFORE you demanded on-panel proof that he has differing levels of power. You're just pleading from a faked ignorance and demanding we post more scans and give more explanations proving you wrong.

But this supposed ignorance is fake. You're repeatedly lying over and over again about Magus. Even when scans are posted. Even when you know about stories that prove his power depends on the level of matter/energy he's assimilated. You repeatedly lowball him. Even when you're proven wrong. That's trolling. That's enough lying from you.

Reported. Again.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Lying and trolling again. You keep trolling by lowballing him mentioning his weakest form. You keep trolling by demanding a "statement" that he was weakened. He obviously was weakened because he wasn't bigger than the Sun and running around tearing apart entire stars in half. Neither of need a statement when we have on-panel proof. On-panel proof that you demanded I post and I posted and you just ignore.

And you're blatantly lying. You already know about his adventures in Limbo where he started assimilating and grew too powerful for the New Mutants and was tearing apart a planet since you mentioned it back on page 3. And you knew about him being Sun-sized and tearing apart stars BEFORE you demanded on-panel proof that he has differing levels of power. You're just pleading from a faked ignorance and demanding we post more scans and give more explanations proving you wrong.

But this supposed ignorance is fake. You're repeatedly lying over and over again about Magus. Even when scans are posted. You repeatedly lowball him. Even when you're proven wrong. That's trolling. That's enough lying from you.

Reported. Again.

Now back up your claims that he was depowered ANYTIME after his initial appearance in New Mutants 18. Or that he can only access his full power in giant form. You can't that's why you result to insults and running to mods. You made that statement now back it up with ON PANEL proof.

I told you his best feat was something in the herald level category and I PROVIDED you with examples and scans.

Here they are again :
Some Herald level feats :
Drax - destroys a planet in his fight with Thanos (shared feat), goes on to destroy a planet all by himself, rips a star apart.
Herald Deadpool - throws an entire star at Silver Surfer.
Thor/Dargo/BRB/Eric : shore up the multiverse with their Godblasts
Sersi - protects her teammates and herself against an attack that caused an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to blink out of existence.
Hercules : held up the heavens (unquantifiable?)
Silver Surfer : channeled the energy of the Big Crunch itself (to kill two Cosmic Gods)
Superman and Captain Marvel - held up an INFINITE weight
Ultraman - held up an INFINITE weight by himself

Your only retort is that they weren't "casual". 🙄

Originally posted by zopzop
Now back up your claims that he was depowered ANYTIME after his initial appearance in New Mutants 18.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Zero proof that his size effects his power and durability... Other than the proof we've already been discussing?

You understand the difference between a diminished Magus at his weakest that is trying to wrestle with Rogue:

And a Magus that is 45 million miles wide and capable of casually tearing stars in half:

flopflop, you're not stupid. So stop trying to equate the most diminished, the most weakest version of Magus with the version of the character we were discussing.

In fact, you do it again and pretend that Magus at his best doesn't have an on-panel feat proving his power increases with his size, you're reported for trolling and lying.

Originally posted by ODG
Keep lying. Feats > character statements. And his feat of casually tearing apart a star in half speaks volumes about your insistence that nobody stated he was weaker later on when he wrestled with Rogue.

And you still haven't told me what issue he was depowered in, how he was depowered/by who, why he couldn't repower himself, and where was it stated anywhere that he can only access his full power when he's at giant size.

^ None were done casually. Some done at the near expense of the entirety of their strength. But you know this because it's been deconstructed several times over repeatedly.

And none of this has anything to do with you blatantly lying about Magus and that he doesn't have different levels of power. Even though scans were posted and you lied about trying to make the same diminished Magus fighting Rogue to be equally as powerful as the one that tore apart stars in half chasing Warlock across space (because there's no statement saying he was any weaker).

That's a baldfaced lie. There's no statement saying he's equally as powerful either. That non-statement doesn't prove my assertion that he wasn't. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. And your non-statement doesn't override the on-panel proof that I've posted or the other stories I know you read SINCE YOU MENTIONED THEM and that you keep lying about. You lie about the scans that were posted. And you're lying that you don't know any other stories where he grows more powerful, i.e., Limbo and chasing them in future in New Mutants #50. You mentioned that story before any of us.

You've run rampant with your lying in this thread to support your lowballing of Magus. You've only undermined it by revealing how far you will go to spite a fictional character.

Originally posted by ODG
^ None were done casually. Some done at the near expense of the entirety of their strength. But you know this because it's been deconstructed several times over repeatedly.

And none of this has anything to do with you blatantly lying about Magus and that he doesn't have different levels of power. Even though scans were posted and you lied about trying to make the same diminished Magus fighting Rogue to be equally as powerful as the one that tore apart stars in half chasing Warlock across space (because there's no statement saying he was any weaker).

That's a baldfaced lie. There's no statement saying he's equally as powerful either. That non-statement doesn't prove my assertion that he wasn't. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. And your non-statement doesn't override the on-panel proof that I've posted or the other stories I know you read SINCE YOU MENTIONED THEM and that you keep lying about. You lie about the scans that were posted. And you're lying that you don't know any other stories where he grows more powerful, i.e., Limbo and chasing them in future in New Mutants #50. You mentioned that story before any of us.

His highest level feats are in the herald category (examples given).

His most powerful opponent was Professor X.

And this guy is supposed to take on a Celestial?

Originally posted by zopzop
Ok, let me get this straight. You said he was diminished when he was fighting the X-Men in X-Men 192, which took place AFTER New Mutants 18 (and all subsequent appearances), yet you fail to provide an issue where this depowerment took place, fail to mention how he was depowered, who depowered him, why he couldn't regain his full power, or where it was stated that he can only access his full abilities when he's giant sized.

His highest level feats are in the herald category (examples given).

His most powerful opponent was Professor X.

And this guy is supposed to take on a Celestial?

You're a liar. Because you've mentioned each and every one of these stories, seen scans from these stories, posted scans from these stories, and even posted links to the story summaries.

And you're trolling. Because you keep demanding that I post a statement that he has differing levels of power dependent on the amount of energy/matter he's assimilated. You haven't posted any statement saying that he was at the same level of power the entire time, have you? Does that mean anything? No. Not when we both know about his on-panel abilities, feats and history. And lying about your knowledge to keep up this charade of trollery needs to stop.

Originally posted by ODG
I don't need a statement that he was depowered when it was obvious by feats he was depowered. Wresting a star in half is more powerful than wrestling with Rogue. I'm not failing to do anything. You're failing to be honest, however. You know he has differing levels of power like when he's star-sized chasing Warlock across space, when he's man-sized and wrestling with Rogue, when he's house-sized and conquering Limbo, when he's mountain-sized and tearing apart a planet against the Starjammers.

You're a liar. Because you've mentioned each and every one of these stories, seen scans from these stories, posted scans from these stories, and even posted links to the story summaries.

And you're trolling. Because you keep demanding that I post a statement that he has differing levels of power dependent on the amount of energy/matter he's assimilated. You haven't posted any statement saying that he was at the same level of power the entire time, have you? Does that mean anything? No. Not when we both know about his on-panel abilities, feats and history. And lying about your knowledge to keep up this charade of trollery needs to stop.

You don't like the fact that his highest feats are in the herald category (with some heralds EXCEEDING anything he's done on panel). His most powerful foe was Prof X. The fact that there is nothing stated anywhere that he lost power from his first appearance in New Mutants 18 or that he can ONLY access his full abilities in giant form.

Originally posted by zopzop
More name calling. This is what happens when you have nothing left.

You don't like the fact that his highest feats are in the herald category (with some heralds EXCEEDING anything he's done on panel). His most powerful foe was Prof X. The fact that there is nothing stated anywhere that he lost power from his first appearance in New Mutants 18 or that he can ONLY access his full abilities in giant form.

You lie that there is no proof that Magus has differing levels of power because it was posted. You lie because you even posted scans and links from other stories proving it.

You troll because you repeatedly lie and demand character statements when you've been shown proof. Feats > character statements. You troll because you keep pretending Magus' weakest/diminished form while fighting Rogue = Magus' gigantic form casually tearing apart stars while chasing Warlock in space.

Your fault. Not our's.

Originally posted by ODG
You're a liar. And you're trolling. Statements of rather incontrovertible fact.

You lie that there is no proof that Magus has differing levels of power because it was posted and because you posted scans and links from other stories proving it.

You troll because you repeatedly lie and demand character statements when you've been shown proof. Feats > character statements. You troll because you keep pretending Magus' weakest/diminished form while fighting Rogue = Magus' gigantic form casually tearing apart stars while chasing Warlock in space.

Your fault. Not our's.

You keep dancing around the fact that the most powerful foe he ever faced was Prof X.

You're the one that keeps downplaying the herald level feats I listed that match or exceed anything Magus has done on panel.

And I'm the troll? 🙄

Originally posted by zopzop
Unbelievable. You can't post any proof that anything affected him and caused him to lose power from New Mutants 18 (his first appearance and the issue with his "best" feat) to when he was crushed once and for all in New Mutants 50.

You keep dancing around the fact that the most powerful foe he ever faced was Prof X.

You're the one that keeps downplaying the herald level feats I listed that match or exceed anything Magus has done on panel.

And I'm the troll? 🙄

Trolling.

And then pretending that there's absolutely no proof that supports Magus having different levels of power?

Lying.

Originally posted by ODG
Unbelievable. You can't admit that massive form Magus tearing apart stars is more powerful than man-sized form Magus wrestling with Rogue?

Trolling.

And then pretending that there's absolutely no proof that supports Magus having different levels of power?

Lying.

^ Lying again that the only difference was size.

Unless you sincerely believe that star-sized Magus wasn't more strong when he casually tore apart a star and flung a piece of it obliterating a planet than when he wrestled with Rogue in his man-sized form. Unless you sincerely believe that star-sized Magus wasn't more durable by easily resisting a star's temperatures than when Rogue hurt his man-sized form.

No, nobody reasonable sincerely believes that. So you're lying. And trolling. Again.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Lying again that the only difference was size.

Unless you sincerely believe that star-sized Magus wasn't more strong when he casually tore apart a star and flung a piece of it obliterating a planet than when he wrestled with Rogue in his man-sized form. Unless you sincerely believe that star-sized Magus wasn't more durable by easily resisting a star's temperatures than when Rogue hurt his man-sized form.

No, nobody reasonable sincerely believes that. So you're lying. And trolling. Again.