Man of Steel (2013)

Originally posted by marwash22
More like people went in with preconceived ideas of what the movie was going to be, because all they know of the character is Reeve's portrayal, and they were disappointed because that's not what the movie turned out to be.

I agree that people went in with the preconceived idea of how Superman was going to be portrayed not the movie as a whole.

Originally posted by marwash22

The quality of MoS as a film has nothing to do with it.

We disagree on this point. Nolan's Batman films made people forget the Tim Burton's films and accept a new generation of Batman. It had everything to do with the quality of the film.

Comparisons were made between Burton's and Nolan's films and good comments were still made about Nolan even though the first Burton Batman film was consider the greatest up until the Nolan's films.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Keaton's Batman was based on Miller's, iirc.

Reeve's portrayal, while iconic, is horribly outdated, both in relation to modern audiences, modern comics, and more importantly, the modern Superman himself.

That may be applicable now I do not see how that makes his version for films not revolutionary. It was for its time and years to come.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Comparisons were made between Burton's and Nolan's films and good comments were still made about Nolan even though the first Burton Batman film was consider the greatest up until the Nolan's films.

Even if MoS were the most technically made movie is history, those people would still dislike it because the tone wasn't the same as the Reeve movies.

Originally posted by Kotor3
That may be applicable now I do not see how that makes his version for films not revolutionary. It was for its time and years to come.

i'm still not understanding how it was revolutionary, tbh.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Nolan's Batman films made people forget the Tim Burton's films and accept a new generation of Batman. It had everything to do with the quality of the film.

Comparisons were made between Burton's and Nolan's films and good comments were still made about Nolan even though the first Burton Batman film was consider the greatest up until the Nolan's films.

Sorry but Nolan's TDK &TDKR KILLED every notion of what Batman was supposed to be, IMO. Nolan created Batman that was too self centred & lacked the mythos that criminals perceived him as a "demon of the night". Nolan's Batman was simply a man in a costume that used force & technology & not the psyche of fear that Burton's Batman inspired.

Originally posted by marwash22
i see what you mean. However, i haven't seen anyone who dislikes the movie, say that the Reeve movies are technically superior to MoS; their entire point is that MoS isn't the same as the Reeve movies... that's not a comment on quality.

Even if MoS were the most technically made movie is history, those people would still dislike it because the tone wasn't the same as the Reeve movies.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm still not understanding how it was revolutionary, tbh.

Remember this applies to the on-screen display of Superman.

I am going to be specific to what Reeves did not the movie as a whole. There are many things about the movie itself that were revolutionary for its time.

• The technology of the way he flew was revolutionary for that time. (Of specific note if you were to read up on how they did the flying you will see that if really was Reeves acting of flying that made it look so good on-screen)
• The Boycott attitude to the degree shown in the Reeves Superman movies became a standard expected by many going forward for any Superman to come.
• The persona of Clark and Superman.
• Most of all his Superman (Persona, powers, look) became the standard expected to be seen for an on-screen display of Superman.

There were no standards or household accepted version of Superman before Reeves version of Superman appeared on-screen.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Sorry but Nolan's TDK &TDKR KILLED every notion of what Batman was supposed to be, IMO. Nolan created Batman that was too self centred & lacked the mythos that criminals perceived him as a "demon of the night". Nolan's Batman was simply a man in a costume that used force & technology & not the psyche of fear that Burton's Batman inspired.

This is a totally separate point.

On a separate note, I understand what you are stating. I actually thought he did very good with Batman's character in Begins but the last two movies he ruined Batman for me.

Originally posted by Kotor3
This is a totally separate point.

On a separate note, I understand what you are stating. I actually thought he did very good with Batman's character in Begins but the last two movies he ruined Batman for me.

I agree. Begins hinted at so much,especially the mythos but sadly the follow-ups forgot everything that Begins established.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Sorry but Nolan's TDK &TDKR KILLED every notion of what Batman was supposed to be, IMO. Nolan created Batman that was too self centred & lacked the mythos that criminals perceived him as a "demon of the night". Nolan's Batman was simply a man in a costume that used force & technology & not the psyche of fear that Burton's Batman inspired.

In fairness, conveying such a vibe is virtually impossible in live-action. In comics or in animation, you can take large liberties with visual realism. You can make Batman look like a mythic demon without contradicting the idea that he is a normal human.

You can't do that in live-action. He'd have to be an actual demon to have the visuals that comic/cartoon Batman does. Even Burton's doesn't really do it.

Originally posted by marwash22
Even if MoS were the most technically made movie is history, those people would still dislike it because the tone wasn't the same as the Reeve movies.

Originally posted by VanMae
In fairness, conveying such a vibe is virtually impossible in live-action. In comics or in animation, you can take large liberties with visual realism. You can make Batman look like a mythic demon without contradicting the idea that he is a normal human.

You can't do that in live-action. He'd have to be an actual demon to have the visuals that comic/cartoon Batman does. Even Burton's doesn't really do it.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Or........if they don't like Superman. Believe it or not, in real life, I've ran into more people who see the movie in a negative light than in a positive one. Alot of times they say it's because they don't like Superman. Now how that is a judge of quality I don't know(it isn't) but that is what people say.
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I've not found that at all. In fact every single person I've talked to(minus on the boards) really enjoyed MOS.

Originally posted by VanMae

You can't do that in live-action. He'd have to be an actual demon to have the visuals that comic/cartoon Batman does. Even Burton's doesn't really do it.

You're forgetting the fear in the mug's voice when he asks Batman/Keaton,"Who are you?!?!" To which Keaton replies ,"I'm Batmam."

Then in Begins, once again the 1st intro of Batman at the docks....hanging upside down,cape wrapped around his body like an actual bat,whilst watching the crims unload the drugs....then the ensuing fight using darkness to instill fear once again. These iconic scenes did not need Batman depicted as a demon but only for the crims to fear him as one. And yes sadly, this is what TDK & TDKR sorely lacked.

Agree with everything you just said. But, still despite all that, TDK and TDKR were much better films IMO.

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Originally posted by Kazenji
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!You know I'm kind of mad I didn't think about that....but maybe if this happened people would stop complaining about Supes smashing shit.

Then people would have complained about Superman not smashing shit.

So..."Double Standards" strikes again.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!You know I'm kind of mad I didn't think about that....but maybe if this happened people would stop complaining about Supes smashing shit.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Then people would have complained about Superman not smashing shit.

well you know those people are stuck in 1978??