Originally posted by armedforbattle
Its not that. Its the fact that you say he will beat anybody. When you know damn well supes would not destroy nate or Vulcan. Either one of them could pull a majority, your blinded by your love for Clark so you deny feats and what's on panel.
Originally posted by abhilegend
When he has the feats to beat almost anybody up, why would I say he would lose to random anybodies? Vulcan and nate can only beat superman for a majority if we ignore superman's feats, nothing else.
😕 Hope you're not serious. Please edit and put "lol" after this sentence or 😉 .
I am not saying either one would destroy supes.
I am not saying supes would destroy either one.
But if you look at supes feats vs nates feats. There is a solid match-up.
Would you say supes could beat dark phoenix or Franklin Richards?
Because he is equal to them.
I can admit that supes, along with surfer, are the gold Standard for high heralds. And as for this thread a debate could be made for either team to take the win.
Originally posted by carver9
😕 Hope you're not serious. Please edit and put "lol" after this sentence or 😉 .
Originally posted by armedforbattle
I am not saying either one would destroy supes.
I am not saying supes would destroy either one.But if you look at supes feats vs nates feats. There is a solid match-up.
Would you say supes could beat dark phoenix or Franklin Richards?
Because he is equal to them.I can admit that supes, along with surfer, are the gold Standard for high heralds. And as for this thread a debate could be made for either team to take the win.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121651/2312437-nate___dark_phoenix_super.jpg
Stated On panel. Can't deny it.
Originally posted by armedforbattle
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121651/2312437-nate___dark_phoenix_super.jpgStated On panel. Can't deny it.
Linking minds on opposite sides of the multi verse? Inter-dimensional teleportation? Teleporting others between universe's? Genetic matter manipulation? Isolating planets gravity? His dreams f**king with reality? Telepathically assaulting Jean?
The only reason his feats don't match dark phoenix is because he "will burn himself out" when he became shaman he got closer to controlling it and being able to go all out. Then he got depowered.... he has never had mental blocks to help control it (unlike jean) His mind would work right through any mental block put on him. Where Jean grew up with her powers and learned to use them over time. Nate was just kinda given godlike TP/TK powers
Originally posted by armedforbattle
Linking minds on opposite sides of the multi verse? Inter-dimensional teleportation? Teleporting others between universe's? Genetic matter manipulation? Isolating planets gravity? His dreams f**king with reality? Telepathically assaulting Jean?The only reason his feats don't match dark phoenix is because he "will burn himself out" when he became shaman he got closer to controlling it and being able to go all out. Then he got depowered.... he has never had mental blocks to help control it (unlike jean) His mind would work right through any mental block put on him. Where Jean grew up with her powers and learned to use them over time. Nate was just kinda given godlike TP/TK powers
Originally posted by armedforbattle
I just admitted that and explained it. He knows that if he goes all out he will "burn himself out" the point being he has the potential to match the phoenix.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That was no longer a problem once he switched the bodies with an alternate reality X-man and it stabilized his powers. That's when he became "Shaman X-man". Read X-man series and you will find out that he was never close to phoenix level power.
Originally posted by armedforbattle
Well if you read it you would know pre-shaman and shaman have the same abilities just shaman is experienced with the powers and can use them better. The powers aren't different, its just how he uses them. And are you not reading my comments I gave you the reason as to why he can't match Phoenix. And a scan that said they have the same power levels.
Originally posted by abhilegendshaman asnt around for long, Jean has been around for a while and has a lot of feats. Nate was short lived.
That was a scan from before he was stabilized. When he became shaman x-man, the danger of burning out was removed and he could use all his power and not burn out. Shaman X-man is X-man at his full potential, there is nothing further shown in the comics.
None the less. This thread isn't Jean vs nate. Its nate vs clark which nate is the superior
