Originally posted by "Id"
Scan fails to prove anything.If Superman had the capacity to do so. He would have sent majestic to his own verse.
That was only possible with a portal in bleed, also writers don't write characters as we might expect.
Originally posted by -Pr-As far as I've seen, people have suggested that Vulcan will drain his foe(s), or turn their power against them. This is something he does consistently, despite the power his foe wields, despite the numbers he faces. There's nothing extreme about that.
I know how he fights. People are just pushing it to extremes.
Originally posted by "Id"This. 👆
Vulcan vs Hal is a competitive fight. As competitive as Vulcan vs Black Bolt or Sinestro vs Hal.The momentum shifts, when Vulcan tunes into Hals Willpower energy spectrum. Or if Hal works himself up to land something close to a Korona killing blast. Otherwise we expect the former, its the nature of Vulcan's power, and his methods.
Originally posted by "Id"
Context be damned, the scan is completely ambiguous. Do you have a source of the scan?Abhi I have followed GL history extensively, and I've never seen Hal work his way out of a spacial lock. Your not back to crying wolf again, are ya?
I was joking with "unlocking". Although superman would just punch through it.😛
Originally posted by ODG
As far as I've seen, people have suggested that Vulcan will drain his foe(s), or turn their power against them. This is something he does consistently, despite the power his foe wields, despite the numbers he faces. There's nothing extreme about that. This. 👆
And yet he's lost against almost all of the top heralds he's gone up against.
People saying he'd suck out Superman's solar energy or manipulate Hal's ring (when he's shown a direct ability to counteract that), honestly don't strike me as being too well up on all the characters.
Originally posted by "Id"
Vulcan vs Hal is a competitive fight. As competitive as Vulcan vs Black Bolt or Sinestro vs Hal.The momentum shifts, when Vulcan tunes into Hals Willpower energy spectrum. Or if Hal works himself up to land something close to a Korona killing blast. Otherwise we expect the former, its the nature of Vulcan's power, and his methods.
Agreed with this.
Vulcan can also seriously f*ck Superman's day up with his energy absorption. The way Clark metabolizes energy and his power source being ambient yellow Solar Radiation is like christmas to Vulcan.
Superman is awesome though and Vulcan could suck sometimes so I'm still split on them.
Originally posted by -Pr-Gladiator? Not a character that has been in any way susceptible to energy draining in his career. Whereas Hal and Superman have.
And yet he's lost against almost all of the top heralds he's gone up against.People saying he'd suck out Superman's solar energy or manipulate Hal's ring (when he's shown a direct ability to counteract that), honestly don't strike me as being too well up on all the characters.
Black Bolt? A more than competent energy manipulator in his own right and only when he unleashed his greatest attack: a full scream. I agree that when a herald uses their greatest most desperate ultimate attack, they can just barely beat Vulcan. And btw Vulcan was absorbing energy in that fight which is why Black Bolt was forced down that route.
Adam Warlock? He was wrecked and got his magic drained utterly. Not even someone who you'd even think would be susceptible to energy draining and had the ability to pull plot device powers out of his butt.
Sundipped Havok? Not a surprise he defeated him, Alex was already inherently capable of absorbing Vulcan's power when at normal power levels -- a trait not possessed by Hal or Superman.
Vulcan may not be the most preeminent or competent energy manipulator in comics, but that is specifically his powerset and he's been shown to be particularly dangerous with it. You certainly can't be suggesting that he wouldn't resort to it, when he does so in pretty much every single fight he's ever been in. But I don't know why you're suggesting he wouldn't be dangerous because of it, because he is. And lesser energy manipulators whose entire career doesn't revolve around energy manipulation have done worse to Superman and Hal.
Originally posted by ODG
Gladiator? Not a character that has been in any way susceptible to energy draining in his career. Whereas Hal and Superman have.Black Bolt? A more than competent energy manipulator in his own right and only when he unleashed his greatest attack: a full scream. I agree that when a herald uses their greatest most desperate ultimate attack, they can just barely beat Vulcan. And btw Vulcan was absorbing energy in that fight which is why Black Bolt was forced down that route.
Adam Warlock? He was wrecked and got his magic drained utterly. Not even someone who you'd even think would be susceptible to energy draining and had the ability to pull plot device powers out of his butt.
Sundipped Havok? Not a surprise he defeated him, Alex was already inherently capable of absorbing Vulcan's power when at normal power levels -- a trait not possessed by Hal or Superman.
Vulcan may not be the most preeminent or competent energy manipulator in comics, but that is specifically his powerset and he's been shown to be particularly dangerous with it. You certainly can't be suggesting that he wouldn't resort to it, when he does so in pretty much every single fight he's ever been in. But I don't know why you're suggesting he wouldn't be dangerous because of it, because he is. And lesser energy manipulators whose entire career doesn't revolve around energy manipulation have done worse to Superman and Hal.
I never said he wouldn't be dangerous. Just that his powerset doesn't make it an auto-win for him, is all.