Nate Grey & Vulcan vs Superman & Green Lantern

Originally posted by Falcon Man
Alright, that shows he's immune to time dilation but that's not what entering the 'planck length' does. The one it effects are Nate and anyone that he drags with him, inadvertently giving them a sort temporal speed boost.

The planet-dimension feat shows Superman exorcising a phantom parallel earth via super-fast specific frequency vibrations, to keep it from colliding with his earth. It doesn't show him traveling between realities, time-lines or universes.

I would like to also mention that Nate fought the Hulk before, so knocking him out won't be easy.

Taken from X-Man Annual 1998

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6823/xmanannual1998page23ima.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2643/xmanannual1998page24ima.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7408/xmanannual1998page25ima.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1862/xmanannual1998page26ima.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1466/xmanannual1998page27ima.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2697/xmanannual1998page28ima.jpg

He also has Vulcan for back up. That shouldn't be dismissed.

Nobody said this is an easy fight. Superman beats nate however and hal beats vulcan.

Originally posted by abhilegend That isn't time dilation. That is total time stop.

Okay, but once again, that's not what entering the planck length does. The only people it effects are those who enter it. Think it of as really advanced teleportation, if you want, but it's not just a simple time-stop.

Otherwise, Ares wouldn't have been able to chase in after Mimic and Nate because he would have been frozen in time.

He sent a whole planet to another dimension from this dimension, you think he can't displace himself from another dimension using the same tactic.

He might, but that all depends on if he actually has used that method to do that. You also notice how he needed someone to tell him the correct frequency? How is he going to know what the correct frequency for the universe where this fight is happening is if no one tells him?

Otherwise, he would just wind up in some random alternate world if he tried that.

Nobody said this is an easy fight. Superman beats nate however and hal beats vulcan.

That's debatable. Both Teams have a good shot of taking the other out.

Originally posted by Falcon Man
Okay, but once again, that's not what entering the planck length does. The only people it effects are those who enter it. Think it of as really advanced teleportation, if you want, but it's not just a simple time-stop.

Otherwise, Ares wouldn't have been able to chase in after Mimic and Nate because he would have been frozen in time.

He might, but that all depends on if he actually has used that method to do that. You also notice how he needed someone to tell him the correct frequency? How is he going to know what the correct frequency for the universe where this fight is happening is if no one tells him?

Otherwise, he would just wind up in some random alternate world if he tried that.

That's debatable. Both Teams have a good shot of taking the other out.

At the time he couldn't but after Infinite crisis he could know the vibrational frequency of anything with just a glance. That's how he sang darkseid out of the existance.

Ok. Different opinions and all that.

Regarding the BFR thing, Green Lanterns can open portals to and travel between other universes and dimensions, so if Superman gets BFR'd Hal could bring him back.

How will have have the time to do that with Vulcan controlling/draining his energy. Vulcan is the worst enemy for a Lantern.

A normal Lantern, perhaps.

A human-named Lantern? Not so much.

Hal dealt with people draining him before

Ugh, I hate this.

Vulcan is turning in to forum Surfer now...

also regarding the ares incident with nate, the only reason he was capable fo following nate was due to his godly nature grants him special instances " war simultanously exist on all planes" also the comic defined it as stepping OUTSIDE of time, as you can see, Nate was operating from outside of time, way more than a mere "time stop"

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Regarding the BFR thing, Green Lanterns can open portals to and travel between other universes and dimensions, so if Superman gets BFR'd Hal could bring him back.

I see. Well, then that takes away Nate's BFR as an option.

Also, just checked the OP again. It specifies no BFR either way. I feel kind of silly. 😛

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Regarding the BFR thing, Green Lanterns can open portals to and travel between other universes and dimensions, so if Superman gets BFR'd Hal could bring him back.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ugh, I hate this.

Vulcan is turning in to forum Surfer now...

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]also regarding the ares incident with nate, the only reason he was capable fo following nate was due to his godly nature grants him special instances " war simultanously exist on all planes" also the comic defined it as stepping OUTSIDE of time, as you can see, Nate was operating from outside of time, way more than a mere "time stop" [/B]

Originally posted by ODG
Not really. Not anymore. They can travel back and forth between the anti-matter universe. That's about it. Vulcan is a proven energy stealer, absorber and manipulator. It's strictly how he fights (other than wielding a rather esoteric form of telepathy).

I know how he fights. People are just pushing it to extremes.

X-Man ends the fight by displacing both Superman, and Hal in alternate reality.

It seriously ends that easily.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know how he fights. People are just pushing it to extremes.

Vulcan vs Hal is a competitive fight. As competitive as Vulcan vs Black Bolt or Sinestro vs Hal.

The momentum shifts, when Vulcan tunes into Hals Willpower energy spectrum. Or if Hal works himself up to land something close to a Korona killing blast. Otherwise we expect the former, its the nature of Vulcan's power, and his methods.

Originally posted by "Id"
X-Man ends the fight by displacing both Superman, and Hal in alternate reality.

It seriously ends that easily.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/ccf1226201000013.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/ccf1226201000014.jpg/

There is no BFR, you onion-head bastards.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman returns them to the battle field

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/ccf1226201000013.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/ccf1226201000014.jpg/

If Superman had the capacity to do so. He would have sent majestic to his own verse.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
There is no BFR, you onion-head bastards.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
There is no BFR, you onion-head bastards.

My mistake.

X-Man freezes the vicinity in a spacial lock.