Nate Grey & Vulcan vs Superman & Green Lantern

Originally posted by armedforbattle
shaman asnt around for long, Jean has been around for a while and has a lot of feats. Nate was short lived.

None the less. This thread isn't Jean vs nate. Its nate vs clark which nate is the superior

You've to prove that.

Yeah because you prove everything you say?

How is superman gonna beat nate. Nate could just go intangible and not be touched. While nate slowly destroys him.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Yeah because you prove everything you say?

How is superman gonna beat nate. Nate could just go intangible and not be touched. While nate slowly destroys him.

Superman can go intangible too and HV has affected intangible beings.

nate/vulcan

Superman vs Nate (tournament style)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t540646.html

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Originally posted by "Id"
Superman vs Nate (tournament style)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t540646.html

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Originally posted by abhilegend
He was around for more than 3 YEARS IIRC around the same time Jean has been a phoenix. Enough time to gauge his level and it was planetary at best.

You've to prove that.

Nate's destructive capacity is around planet level going by feats; even pre-Shaman Nate could destroy the moon with a single attack.

Taken from X-Man #45

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Shaman should be planet level at least, especially since he fought Qabiri who is a planet-buster IIRC.

However, Shaman and Vulcan still win in spite of the firepower/speed difference. Why? Nate's H4X.

First, Nate can enter the planck length which grants him a sort of temporal super-speed. It allows him exist outside/in-between moments in time. It could also be interpreted as functioning similarly to a time-stop (which is something Nate can also do in a localized area, see Cable v1 #30). What's even better is that Nate can drag others with him into it. For instance, he dragged Mimic with him in Dark X-Men #3. He can likely drag Vulcan with him in there, and they can proceed to go to town on team two.

Secondly, Nate can exist as a disembodied consciousness even if his body is destroyed. (He possessed Norman as well.) He can make himself a new body if his original is destroyed through the use of psi-contsructs. He can also bring others back to life through this method, Maddie for instance. I believe Nate also used this method to bring Gwen Stacy back for a while. So, if Vulcan is killed before they can enter the planck length Nate can possibly bring him back.

Thirdly, defeat via ring-out. Shaman Nate can teleport himself and others into different realities/universes.

Taken from X-Man #73

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Heck, pre-Shaman Nate can even time travel in the 1996 X-Man Annual. He chased Sugarman into the Age of Apocalyse time-line, after Sugarman used Nate's powers to open a portal there somehow.

Nate and Vulcan take down Supe's and Gl pretty handily, they're too exotic with their abilities, especially Nate, seeing that he actually has reality warping under his belt

Nate wins. Vulcan's just good for a meat shield I suppose.

Vulcan absorbs every bit of energy and heat vision GL and Supes use. Hell he could probably draw the sunlight directly out of Clark's body.

Isnt Nate still depowered? either way Superman crushes Vulcan then Nate gets dogpiled

Depends how its matching are paired.

Vulcan beats any GL not named Kyle. But loses to Superman.

X-Man beats either GL or Superman.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Isnt Nate still depowered? either way Superman crushes Vulcan then Nate gets dogpiled

I believe so but I think we're talking about Shaman Nate here.

OP are we talking about Nate in his prime or current Nate?

Originally posted by KingD19
Vulcan absorbs every bit of energy and heat vision GL and Supes use. Hell he could probably draw the sunlight directly out of Clark's body.

Team 2 wins

Vulcan is very inconsistent

Anyway, I'm going to continue to assume this is Nate in his prime.

Do either Superman or the Green Lantern have a counter for Nathaniel's teleportation, planck length, and other numerous abilities? Do they have a way to kill his consciousness/spirit to keep him from coming back? If not, Nate and Vulcan win.

Would like to point out that Nate can also effect incorporeals with his psionics. He was able to shred Xavier's astral body in X-Man #10, and overwhelm him telepathically.

Team two. Superman can tank everything team 1 could dish out.

Muties ftw.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Team two. Superman can tank everything team 1 could dish out.

I'm curious about what's going to allow Superman to return from being teleported into another universe/reality/time-line.

Because Nate can totally do that.

Taken from X-Man #66

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Ayup.

Yes it is shaman nate. Sorry for not specifying.