Originally posted by Psychotron
1) How do they contradict each other? The T-1000 has problems with extreme temperatures much hotter than fire.
2) KOing him like Sabretooth did would work just fine. Stabbing him in the heart will too. Suffocation is also an option.
3) No, it doesn't since they're designed to fight in the future war, not time travel. The time-travel bit was Skynet's last, desperate attempt to win the war.
Well TX was still better equipped in any period. And they were all sent from the same time roughly.
4) Wolverine's capabilities consist of stabbing, that's it.
According to screefeats, I was entirely right in everything I said there, actually.
5) The foundry and the explosion are the only places where you're sort of right. But those were much more devastating than a hairy guy with a set of butter knives. Wolverine would have been koed for hours, maybe days if he switched places with the T-1000 in those two instances. The other things you mentioned are bullshit since the T-1000 was still moving while regenerating, thus it was not knocked out.
6) You're wrong since it almost never happens. Even when it was hit by Arnie's grenade it was still active.
But not combat effective. Look at each time Arnie messed it up an it was thwarted by having to pause to regenerate or it's system was shocked and it became unable to pursue further action temporarily. The time he shot T-1000 in the face with the shotgun at the elevator door was a prime example. Did it ignore the shot, tearing through and ripping Connor's heart out? No it wobbled around a like a dick, with a split head for a bit. Messed it up.
Gaining? What movie were you watching? He stole the truck because John was getting away. He only managed to reach the cop car because they hadn't accelerated yet. When Arnold shoots him down the T-1000 couldn't catch up.
T2. of course. In the car park and up until that moment. John was gunning the mofo too at the time.
ninjakHow is Wolverine going to cut the T-1000 when it goes into it's liquid mode? Like when it passed through the iron bars or when Arnold hit him with the metal rod. Even if he can (and he can't) that still won't do any permanent damage to the T-1000. Logan would get tired sooner or later and then it's over. Wolverine can only prolong the inevitable at best.
Same way bullets hit it/Arnie could grab it/fight it . Its not ominiscient or always fast enough to anticipate, move around whatever threat is incoming and gets caught. How come T-800 was able to grab hold of T-1000, knocking it into walls and be kicking it's ass at any point whatsoever, if it could do what you say? High velocity projectiles and close range fast attacks catch it off guard. Demonstrated time and time again on screen. This would lead to a world of choppy choppy pain against Wolverine, constant reassemebly and regeneration pauses/OK under these rules. ninjak is right.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not judging by that he couldn't entirely maintain camouflage whilst walking through it...looks like he couldn't finish regeneration til it was clear of the fire then he completed it..cause his surface was being affected whilst walking through it...even at the temperatures that are relatively low.But T-1000 isn't Sabretooth.
Well TX was still better equipped in any period. And they were all sent from the same time roughly.
With respect, thats just more reductionist nonsense. He can think, run, fight, regenerate must faster than T-1000, and can do it on the fly better than T1000 and has an indestructable skeleton protecting his organs.
According to screefeats, I was entirely right in everything I said there, actually.
But not combat effective. Look at each time Arnie messed it up an it was thwarted by having to pause to regenerate or it's system was shocked and it became unable to pursue further action temporarily. The time he shot T-1000 in the face with the shotgun at the elevator door was a prime example. Did it ignore the shot, tearing through and ripping Connor's heart out? No it wobbled around a like a dick, with a split head for a bit. Messed it up.
T2. of course. In the car park and up until that moment. John was gunning the mofo too at the time.
Same way bullets hit it/Arnie could grab it/fight it . Its not ominiscient or always fast enough to anticipate, move around whatever threat is incoming and gets caught. How come T-800 was able to grab hold of T-1000, knocking it into walls and be kicking it's ass at any point whatsoever, if it could do what you say? High velocity projectiles and close range fast attacks catch it off guard. Demonstrated time and time again on screen. This would lead to a world of choppy choppy pain against Wolverine, constant reassemebly and regeneration pauses/OK under these rules. ninjak is right.
1) Or more likely it's because it just finished reforming much like after the liquid nitrogen incident.
2) No, it's superior.
3) Nope, movie Wolverine was a brawler and nothing more.
4) No. Do you even know what knock out is? Being damaged but still functioning is not a KO.
5) But none of that stopped it. That's the point.
So, why did it need truck then? Why couldn't it catch up to the cop car?
6) Arnie was manhandled in their fight thanks to the T-1000's shapeshifting. It's kind of sad that you guys have to hope Wolverine can win on a technicality.
Wolverine won't be able to kill the T-1000. Eventually, the T-1000 has the chance of being able to kill/KO Wolverine for a true "battle" win (Stabbing him in the eyes and then seeping thru the eyesockets to scramble the brain). Tho it would take quite a long time for the T-1000 to figure this way out, I have no doubt that it would realize that this would be the one of the few options available to it.
However, that said, via forum rules, Wolverine would be able to cut the T-1000 to pieces and continue cutting him over and over and over until the T-1000 would be in small, bite sized pieces. The only chance the T-1000 has here is if Wolverine eventually tires from all the hacking and allows the T-1000 to reform. This will take a long, long, long time. However, arguably, by this time, Wolverine should be able to win via forum rules. However, the T-1000 is tireless and relentless. It can also be argued, however, that Wolverine can simply leave the area, rest up and come back to continue chopping up the T-1000 later....
Latter is more probable than the former, tho and I can see Wolverine winning this via forum KO rules.
Not likely. The arm coming in to stab would be dismembered...and even if it stuck it;s target, Wolverine has very quick regen.
A 'long time'. Yes...Wolverine has already lived a couple of hundred years and shows no signs of dying of old age yet. T-1000 lasted 2 days of wear and tear before showing signs of malfunctioning and snuffing it. lol
Agreed, Nibedicus, aside from that.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'd really like you to show me ONE, SINGLE CLIP of the T800 kicking the T1000's ass in h2h.
But the T-800 fought with more honour though. (Not turning into liquid metal like a girl to escape or counter blows...)
And if the T-1000 couldn't beat T-800 H2H*, it sure as shit cant beat Wolverine.
*and before you kneejerk "But it did" watch T2 again.
Originally posted by Robtard
Isn't that same "technicality" being used in how the T-1000 wins here, KOing Wolverine via a blow to the head or stab to the heart? Hypocrisy?
Yes it is total hypocrisy.
It's kind of sad that those guys have to hope T-1000 can win on a such hypocritical technicality.
Originally posted by Psychotron
[B]1) Or more likely it's because it just finished reforming much like after the liquid nitrogen incident.
2) No, it's superior.
3) Nope, movie Wolverine was a brawler and nothing more.
4) No. Do you even know what knock out is? Being damaged but still functioning is not a KO.
5) But none of that stopped it. That's the point.
Expediency and economy. The cop car was going much faster forwards than in reverse. (The car was doing like 20-30 in reverse) And also it had widened the distance gap when T-1000 was rolling across the floor like a little rolly-polly biatch, after Arnie sent him careening off of the back of the moving car...even at top speed, T-1000 couldn't cope with that speed.
So, why did it need truck then? Why couldn't it catch up to the cop car?
6) Arnie was manhandled in their fight thanks to the T-1000's girlyboy shapeshifting. It's kind of sad that you guys have to hope Wolverine can win on a technicality.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not likely. The arm coming in to stab would be dismembered...and even if it stuck it;s target, Wolverine has very quick regen.A 'long time'. Yes...Wolverine has already lived a couple of hundred years and shows no signs of dying of old age yet. T-1000 lasted 2 days of wear and tear before showing signs of malfunctioning and snuffing it. lol
Agreed, Nibedicus, aside from that.
1) Yeah, what I mean is that Wolverine is gonna chop the T-1000 into bite sized chunk then the T-1000 (attempts) to reconstitute itself, he slices it off again. This happens for the forum win.
2) If we don't allow that to be considered a forum win (due to the fact that the T-1000 is still actively trying to put itself together), then it could mean that Wolverine just keeps slicing and dicing the thing, leave, rest up, rinse repeat for the eternal stalemate.
3) The only way for the T-1000 to win would be for Wolverine to fight stupid and exhaust himself repeatedly dicing the damned thing, w/c will then allow the T-1000 the unimpeded opportunity of sticking him in the eye and scrambling his brains.
1 and 2 is likely. 3 is not as even a doorknob brain would realize the futility of slicing something forever til you get exhausted.
Also, never saw the T-1000 demonstrate any kind of malfunction in the movie. When was this shown to happen? Always saw terminators as being portrayed unstoppable, unrelenting killing machines with infinite stamina so it would be news to me if that indeed existed.
Watch the sepecial edition... The T1000 malfunctions at the foundry.
(In addition to a marked drop off of all displays of speed) after it is frozen, blasted/reassembled it malfunctions... Its shown by it's shapeshifting ability going down the shitter. As it walks toughing a handrail, it is surprised to find itself stuck to the handrail as it's hand merges with and immitates the handrail.... Its feet immitate the grating it walks on randomly..the T1000 loses control. So much so that it's merges feet/grating give the game away when it is immitating Sarah to lure John closer...leading ultimately to it's demise.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Watch the sepecial edition... The T1000 malfunctions at the foundry.
(In addition to a marked drop off of all displays of speed) after it is frozen, blasted/reassembled it malfunctions... Its shown by it's shapeshifting ability going down the shitter. As it walks toughing a handrail, it is surprised to find itself stuck to the handrail as it's hand merges with and immitates the handrail.... Its feet immitate the grating it walks on randomly..the T1000 loses control. So much so that it's merges feet/grating give the game away when it is immitating Sarah to lure John closer...leading ultimately to it's demise.
Don't have the special edition. 🙁 Can you post a vid so we can see it for ourselves?
here is trailer for it:
YouTube video
Its actually shown in this format on TV most commonly over here..
Its the version with the Kyle Reese appearance and many other scenes re-integrated into it. (you can see said scene here:
YouTube video . )
The bit you can see here with the T-1000 holding a striped hand up infront of himself then flicking it back to normal is the start of the breakdown of his control.. (It was a striped handrail he got stuck on, then came unstuck from puzzled by what had happened, he holds the hand up and thats what you see here) Then came the floor grating bits..
Will look for more, but cant seem to find it right now on youtube, at least.
Here is a rundown of some of the stuff in the special ed version:
But rent it, buy it, whatever: If you've not seen this version you've not seen the movie period. 😛 Most have since its been around since the mid-nineties.... You owe it to yourself as a fan. It as good as Aliens: Special edition was.. Trust me.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well either way: It took ages to do it.But not stronger: Its not gonna be swinging treetrunks like bats.
Incorrect again. He is a brawler with a couple of hundred years experience, near instant regen, an indestructable adamantium skeleton, and Admantium claws capable of shredding all kinds of metal.
BTW Even in "liquid metal" mode, T1000 is never quite liquid, for if it was, it would drop splashing to the floor instead of being a standing form. Its more solid than mere liquid, like a dollop of shit or icecream (Only after the decimation of the Liquid nitrogen incident did it appear at true liquid) and thusly it's cohesion is going to be it's downfall against Wolverine: It can be shredded even if like wet clay in those states.Yes. I do... being damaged and not being able to function is a KO here.
(Like when T-1000 is forced to be inactive for a spell to reform after severe damage and or dismemberment. (Something inevitable against Wolverine) Every time T-1000 got his head split open violently, torn to pieces or something, there was a period when it could no longer function in a fighting or defensive capacity. KO.Yes. It did. Albeit temporarily. And thats all thats needed. Boxers for example rarely are knocked out permanently. Cause when that happens its known as death.
Thats the point.Expediency and economy. The cop car was going much faster forwards than in reverse. (The car was doing like 20-30 in reverse) And also it had widened the distance gap when T-1000 was rolling across the floor like a little rolly-polly biatch, after Arnie sent him careening off of the back of the moving car...even at top speed, T-1000 couldn't cope with that speed.
Already addressed. Hypocrite. 🙂
If you dont like KO as win, don't claim it as sufficient for your guy.
And Wolverine can cut whatever shape T-1000 is in into many more smaller shapes forcing him to shutdown to regen and lose...what of it...? Oh and Arnie lacked Speed, Admantium Skeleton and Claws. Wouldnt have been manhandled at all if that were what he was equipped with....
So what? That has nothing to do with the temperature argument.
It's as strong as a T-800. If a bullet can knock him out the T-1000's hits would send him into a coma.
200 years of experience which he doesn't remember. Near instant regen that lets him be koed by a bullet. That's just so impressive.
The part where the T-1000 passes trough the metal bars proves you wrong. Nice try though.
But it does function. For example when it's chasing the cop car it's being shot by both Arnie and Sarah but keeps going. The head splitting moment can be at best described as being stunned and that's being generous. Wolverine stabbing himself in the heart and falling to the floor like sack of potatoes is much closer to a KO.
So basically what you're saying is the T-1000 can't catch up to cars and bikes? Took you long enough.
What? How am I being a hypocrite? Explain.
So what if he can cut the T-1000 into smaller pieces (he can't btw)? That doesn't stop the T-1000. The T-1000 can just grab Wolverine's arms if it wants to and choke him out. He can incapacitate him forever if he wants. There's a lot of things it can do and only one thing Wolverine can try and it won't work.
So The T1000 has more problems than just heat? Is that what you're inferring?
I didnt see the T-1000 throwing 16 stone guys around with one arm...
Saw that with the T-800 though. Yes indeeeeeeeeeed.
Well maybe not consciously. But the fight prowess he has suggests that its still in there somewhere. And if not, then thats even more bad news for the T1000 cause if hes just naturally that good then the T1000 is gonna have even harder a time keeping up.
Thats true, but incidents like the shotgun in the face and others has way longer bouts of mandatory inactivity. Like emerging from the truck. People have survived gas tanks blowing up in cars where they sit physically closer to the tank, so that that doesnt bode well for T1000, given the length of time he took to emerge, and given that it didn't reform its outside cop layer til it was well clear of said flames, it could very much suggest that even relatively low temp burns like that still caused it problems.
Well it did catch up with one. As mentioned before... probably not whilst the car is driving in 5th at full whack though. It was gaining on John's bike at one point in the mall car park. Til it managed to get on a straight.
Again. You admission that Wolverine is probably 100% safe in a car whilst mowing down T1000 is taken.
Already did explain. But OK Once more: You complain when Wolverine winds by KO yet to insist that winning by the same method is fine for T1000. You say Wolverine cant do that LOL It was explained very well that he could. Youre gonna just have to agree to disagree. LOL If T1000 tries to choke Wolverine out it loses its arms. Whats it gonna do? Force choke him?!?! lololololol
Wolverine can incapacitate T1000 forever too, as explained at numerous times in this thread.
Its who gets there first. Now, Given that T1000 misses a lot and gets hit all the time, the odds are on Wolverine winning.
You argue that stabbing Wolverine will win.. lol You havent seen Xmen 1 yet have you?
You're obviously desperate through some sort of predisposed bias agenda here. (Obvious I guess from your avvy) Thats why you have tried to gimp, downplay and assert your opinion as fact rather than accept what is most likely from onscreen feats.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It's as strong as a T-800. If a bullet can knock him out the T-1000's hits would send him into a coma.
So what if he was as strong as a T2 T-800. Doesn't mean that he has the feats of T-800s in other series. I'll wait for a response for that.
And using a low showing for Logan when others have shown him taking far worse doesn't help your argument. He took a shot to the head from from a mutant who never missed. I direct shot to the head and all it did was piss Logan off. The X2 feat was an odd situation. Logan healed having his chest organs incinerated and he kept going in X3.
Originally posted by Psychotron
200 years of experience which he doesn't remember. Near instant regen that lets him be koed by a bullet. That's just so impressive.
The part where the T-1000 passes trough the metal bars proves you wrong. Nice try though.
Odd that you understand Logan's abilities yet you discount his better ones.
Originally posted by Psychotron
But it does function. For example when it's chasing the cop car it's being shot by both Arnie and Sarah but keeps going. The head splitting moment can be at best described as being stunned and that's being generous. Wolverine stabbing himself in the heart and falling to the floor like sack of potatoes is much closer to a KO.
The T1000 took bullet damage in odd ways. Arnie blasted the T1000 with shotgun rounds until he hit the floor in the Mall scene and he fell hard and once the bullets healed he got back up. Yet in later scenes he tanked 9mm rounds for they were weaker. The scene where Arnie sliced a pole through his skull into his body and the T1000 morphed doesn't count to our argument because he was still whole.
The T1000 still was designed to exist in certain ways.-
-He saw through his eyes. Very limited.
-He spoke through his mouth. Very limited.
-He showed the ability to scan through his hands. Another limitation.
This proves that if Logan sliced his head off. Or arms off he will react similar to a normal human. Hence the scene where he lost his arm during the liquid nitrogen scene. He looked at it in fear/with an open mouth. Remove his head and he will need to reform.
And Logan's claws as shown in Origins. The sharpness of the claws defy physics. They are sharpness personified. If he touched the claws together they created sparks. If he applies them to metal structures he carves through them like a hot knife through butter!
HE WILL SLICE THE T1000 APART! CHUNKS WILL FLY. And Logan is a much better fighter than the T1000, who resorted to stilted grab and bash techniques and sometimes elongated a finger into his preys brain or torso. But without much skill.
Originally posted by Psychotron
What? How am I being a hypocrite? Explain.
So what if he can cut the T-1000 into smaller pieces (he can't btw)? That doesn't stop the T-1000. The T-1000 can just grab Wolverine's arms if it wants to and choke him out. He can incapacitate him forever if he wants. There's a lot of things it can do and only one thing Wolverine can try and it won't work.
He ain't grabbing Logan's arms! Because on the end of his arms are claws that are so sharp they defy physics. And will never blunt. They will cut the T1000 apart wayyyyy before he can grab Logan with his retarded fighting skills.
And Logan fights usually in a crouched position. The T1000 isn't going to casually stab him through the heart.
Have you never read a Wolverine comic, watched a cartoon or seen any of his films???
I understand only the movies count but his stance was the same. Crouched, and with his claws in front!
Logan WILL comprise the T1000 and force him into regen mode. And Logan WILL continue to slash away until it counts as a forum win!
The T1000 isn't going to jump on him and morph around Logan's body and stab like crazy because the T1000 NEVER showed any such feat.
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Originally posted by the ninjak
So what if he was as strong as a T2 T-800. Doesn't mean that he has the feats of T-800s in other series. I'll wait for a response for that.
1. The T-800 has never been able to over power the T1000. Every time they got into a h2h fight the T1000 dominated. The single time they got into a shoving match, the T1000 got the upper hand. What does that tell you about the T1000's strength? You still think the T1000 isn't as strong if not stronger than the T-800?
Just because he doesn't have the same feats doesn't mean he can't do them. He never had to do them in T2. But via comparison, we can logically assume that since he was able to overpower the T-800, then it can do what the T800 could physically. That's logic dude.
The T1000 still was designed to exist in certain ways.--He saw through his eyes. Very limited.
-He spoke through his mouth. Very limited.
-He showed the ability to scan through his hands. Another limitation.
2. When the T-800 punched the T1000 through the head, the T1000 morphed his body so that his head now became his hands. So it completely remade where it's face was in about 1-2 secs. Wolverine has no such ability and is therefore far more limited. Wolverine NEEDS his eyes to see, and his mouth to talk, and he has no such ability of moving his body parts. Wolverine is the one who is limited.
HE WILL SLICE THE T1000 APART! CHUNKS WILL FLY. And Logan is a much better fighter than the T1000, who resorted to stilted grab and bash techniques and sometimes elongated a finger into his preys brain or torso. But without much skill.
Give me ONE, SINGLE example of a time when parts of the T1000 were flying apart. It took massive explosions and not once did parts of it "fly apart". The only time that happened was due to liquid nitrogen and when it's hand got stock in the hood of a car.
You see, there's a big difference between the scenarios we suggest the T1000 can win in, and the scenarios you guys suggest for Wolverine to win in. The difference being that what the T1000 needs to do to win, he has been shown to do and has worked before on Wolverine. Whereas the scenarios you guys put for a Wolverine win either have never been shown to work on the T1000 or Logan simply has never done them.
I'll show you an example:
Wolverine Argument
Wolverine wins by slicing off parts of the T1000 then throwing them away so it can't heal.
- Has Wolverine ever been shown to cut off limbs of hard-to-beat opponents? No. Never. Unless you count that guy in X3 who kept regenerating his arms, but then Logan didn't even think of cutting off his legs.
- Has the T1000 ever been shown to have parts of it cut off? No. Never. Everytime it was shot or suffered "cuts" none of it's parts flew off and it was able to regen in time to defend itself and continue fighting. The only time this happened was due to liquid nitrogen.
Now that's how your standard Wolverine argument looks. On the other hand, this is how a t1000 argument looks:
T1000 argument
1. T1000 shoots Wolverine in the head to knock it out.
- Does the T1000 use guns? Yes. Used them all the time in T2.
- Has Wolverine been knocked out by a gun before? Yes, gunshot to the head knocked him out in X1.
See the difference? Here's another example.
Wolverine Argument
Wolverine uses liquid nitrogen to freeze T1000 and then either leaves him there to freeze or shatters him.
- Is the T1000 susceptible to liquid nitrogen? Yes. Proven to damage him.
- Has Wolverine ever used liquid nitrogen on his enemies before? Nope. Never. Never even used any form of chemical for warfare. Liquid nitrogen could have helped him beat any number of his opponents, but he never used it.
T1000 argument
T1000 stabs Wolverine in the heart for a knockout
- Has Wolverine been knocked out via heart stab before? Yes, he stabbed himself and knocked himself out.
- Has the T1000 ever stabbed someone in the heart before? Not the heart exactly, but he has stabbed someone in the shoulder and others in the head. Not too far an assumption he can stab Wolverine in the chest near the heart.
Again, see the difference? Here's another:
Wolverine Argument
Wolverine melts T1000 by exposing him to fire
- Has the T1000 ever been damaged by fire? Not fire. In fact, it was seen slowly walking through flames. You'll need a melting vat to do this.
- Has Wolverine ever tried to use fire as a weapon before? No.
on the other hand:
T1000 argument
T1000 uses a vehicle to either run over Logan or ram it into him for a knockout
- Has Logan ever been knocked out by a moving vehicle? Sabertooth threw him up against one, and although it didn't knock him out, it hurt him bad enough that he was unable to stand for some time afterwards.
- Has the T1000 ever been shown to use vehicles to assist itself in trying to finish off it's targets? Yes, he has been shown to use trucks to ram into his targets and try to run them over.
Do you now see the difference?
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. The T-800 has never been able to over power the T1000. Every time they got into a h2h fight the T1000 dominated. The single time they got into a shoving match, the T1000 got the upper hand. What does that tell you about the T1000's strength? You still think the T1000 isn't as strong if not stronger than the T-800?Just because he doesn't have the same feats doesn't mean he can't do them. He never had to do them in T2. But via comparison, we can logically assume that since he was able to overpower the T-800, then it can do what the T800 could physically. That's logic dude.
2. When the T-800 punched the T1000 through the head, the T1000 morphed his body so that his head now became his hands. So it completely remade where it's face was in about 1-2 secs. Wolverine has no such ability and is therefore far more limited. Wolverine NEEDS his eyes to see, and his mouth to talk, and he has no such ability of moving his body parts. Wolverine is the one who is limited.
Give me ONE, SINGLE example of a time when parts of the T1000 were flying apart. It took massive explosions and not once did parts of it "fly apart". The only time that happened was due to liquid nitrogen and when it's hand got stock in the hood of a car.
You see, there's a big difference between the scenarios we suggest the T1000 can win in, and the scenarios you guys suggest for Wolverine to win in. The difference being that what the T1000 needs to do to win, he has been shown to do and has worked before on Wolverine. Whereas the scenarios you guys put for a Wolverine win either have never been shown to work on the T1000 or Logan simply has never done them.
I'll show you an example:
Wolverine Argument
Wolverine wins by slicing off parts of the T1000 then throwing them away so it can't heal.- Has Wolverine ever been shown to cut off limbs of hard-to-beat opponents? No. Never. Unless you count that guy in X3 who kept regenerating his arms, but then Logan didn't even think of cutting off his legs.
- Has the T1000 ever been shown to have parts of it cut off? No. Never. Everytime it was shot or suffered "cuts" none of it's parts flew off and it was able to regen in time to defend itself and continue fighting. The only time this happened was due to liquid nitrogen.
Now that's how your standard Wolverine argument looks. On the other hand, this is how a t1000 argument looks:
T1000 argument
1. T1000 shoots Wolverine in the head to knock it out.- Does the T1000 use guns? Yes. Used them all the time in T2.
- Has Wolverine been knocked out by a gun before? Yes, gunshot to the head knocked him out in X1.
See the difference? Here's another example.
Wolverine Argument
Wolverine uses liquid nitrogen to freeze T1000 and then either leaves him there to freeze or shatters him.- Is the T1000 susceptible to liquid nitrogen? Yes. Proven to damage him.
- Has Wolverine ever used liquid nitrogen on his enemies before? Nope. Never. Never even used any form of chemical for warfare. Liquid nitrogen could have helped him beat any number of his opponents, but he never used it.
T1000 argument
T1000 stabs Wolverine in the heart for a knockout- Has Wolverine been knocked out via heart stab before? Yes, he stabbed himself and knocked himself out.
- Has the T1000 ever stabbed someone in the heart before? Not the heart exactly, but he has stabbed someone in the shoulder and others in the head. Not too far an assumption he can stab Wolverine in the chest near the heart.
Again, see the difference? I can site many more examples. [/B]
So after all that: By your own logic, if a character has never done something before it prevents them from doing it (In your antiWolverine bit), yet you then go on to say that just because the T1000 has never stabbed someone on the heart before that it doesnt mean it cant this time. LOL Blatant 2 sets of standards and full blown hypocrisy.
Wolverine fell to the ground after freeing himself from the harness. Did he knock himself out?
Theres no guarantee that Wolverine hasnt learned from the head shot before. What if he guards his face with his blades..(standard Wolverine stuff)...the bullets likely to not get through. Its not like T1000 can shoot worth a shit anyhow.... It makes a career out of missing it's targets in T2.
OK: Heres another example in addtion to the two you already cited... Its head went flying apart when shot in the face with a shotgun.
Messed it up good and proper.
Also: It was never cut by admantium blades before. They would guarantee seperation...! And dont forget it would cut into four, because of the amount of blades on each wrist, (make that eight in a two fisted slice attack)..And he has faster hands than T-1000 is shown dealing with.
Yes The T-1000 PROCURED and used guns all through a 2+hour movie and only hit one Connor - ONCE - and nonfatally with a machine gun in a wild spread. It is shit at shooting. It was peppered with shots throughout, because it's opponents could actually shoot. T-1000 is better off with camaflage/appear/stab tactics...and that aint gonna work on Wolverine who would turn T-1000 into string cheese.
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