Originally posted by Nephthys
Nope, pretty sure she rips it out of the soil.Even if it did, if she could instantly access the energy in the midst of battle, then I don't see why Bane couldn't.
Yup, she did access power from the soil. But hilariously, the text does confirm the energies were trapped in the lake.
Either Karpyshyn's a retard or the energies were released and you've forgotten and/or neglected to tell me.
For centuries the corruption of the failed ritual influenced all life on Ambria, transforming the
once beautiful world into a nightmare of stunted, poisonous vegetation and twisted, mutated
beasts. Eventually the dark side energies released by the Sith sorceress were trapped in a great
lake near the planet's equator by a Jedi Master named Thon, but the damage was too widespread
for the world to ever be completely healed.
'Again she opened herself up to the dark side. This time, however, she didn't attack Bane directly. Instead, she let it flow through her, drawing it from the soil and stone of Ambria itself. She called to power buried for centuries, summoning it up to the surface in wispy tendrils of dark smoke snaking up from the sand.
The thin tendrils crawled along the ground, reaching for one another, twining themselves together into writhing tentacles each several meters long.
Then, in response to her unspoken command, the tentacles rose up and lashed out at her foe.'
I'm pretty sure thats all it said.
I dunno, maybe they released it when Bane was training her on Ambria, or its mentioned earlier in the book somewhere.
Originally posted by Nephthys
'Again she opened herself up to the dark side. This time, however, she didn't attack Bane directly. Instead, she let it flow through her, drawing it from the soil and stone of Ambria itself. She called to power buried for centuries, summoning it up to the surface in wispy tendrils of dark smoke snaking up from the sand.The thin tendrils crawled along the ground, reaching for one another, twining themselves together into writhing tentacles each several meters long.
Then, in response to her unspoken command, the tentacles rose up and lashed out at her foe.'
I'm pretty sure thats all it said.
I dunno, maybe they released it when Bane was training her on Ambria, or its mentioned earlier in the book somewhere.
Yeah, it just seems to be a contradiction. Maybe Thon didn't snare all the energies?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Marek is a lightsider last I checked.
According to?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Unless we're talking about Sith Apprentice Marek, in which case he loses most of his good feats.
And why would that be?
Originally posted by Nephthys
And I've noted no such thing jerkface.
Sure you have. You noted disintegration was a demonstration of mastery; at best, Bane w/ orbalisks disintegrated a dozen random mooks whereas Starkiller disintegrated a capital ship. Clearly he enjoys a tremendous advantage in mastery.
Also,
Dynasty of Evil
The Huntress landed, shut down the engines, and made her way from the climate-controlled comfort of her shuttle out into the dry, suffocating heat of Ambria's midday sun. The princess was standing at the edge of the camp, facing away from her and lost in thought. The camp itself wasn't much to look at; it was nothing but a small, dilapidated hut and an old cooking pot suspended over a ring of stones and charcoal. But despite the modest surroundings, the Huntress could feel this was a place of power: a nexus for both the light and dark sides of the Force.
:3
Originally posted by Nephthys
I thought the whole reason he redirected it was so that it didn't crash-land on his head. It started to fall after he took out the shipyard.Edit: Break what out first?
No it wasn't the only reason. I am one massive fan of TFU and I remember that the reason he pulled it down was because, in order to escape Raxus Prime along with Kota and Juno and thus rally the Rebellion, he had to stay alive. In the game, he said that the Star Destroyer was heading right for him and he needed to get out of the area. Kota told him to pull it into the planet's surface to be able to escape safely and officially start the Rebellion.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
According to?And why would that be?
Sure you have. You noted disintegration was a demonstration of mastery; at best, Bane w/ orbalisks disintegrated a dozen random mooks whereas Starkiller disintegrated a capital ship. Clearly he enjoys a tremendous advantage in mastery.
The fact that he clearly rejects the darkside at the end of the game, probable way before that tbh.
Because he hasn't performed them at that time?
Starkiller never disintegrated a capital ship.
Nice catch on that quote.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The fact that he clearly rejects the darkside at the end of the game, probable way before that tbh.
This is pretty weak. There's no evidence to suggest that Marek's power fluctuated because of alignment, considering that he used the Force the same way throughout the novel/s, including constant use of Force lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he hasn't performed them at that time?
Just like how Bane didn't perform disintegration feats without orbalisks or dark side nexuses, so he can't perform them without those things?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Starkiller never disintegrated a capital ship.
TFU2, he disintegrated a Nebulon-B frigate.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
This is pretty weak. There's no evidence to suggest that Marek's power fluctuated because of alignment, considering that he used the Force the same way throughout the novel/s, including constant use of Force lightning.Just like how Bane didn't perform disintegration feats without orbalisks or dark side nexuses, so he can't perform them without those things?
TFU2, he disintegrated a Nebulon-B frigate.
I never said that it did fluctuate, but if you must know, in the novel Marek was losing to Vader until a sense of clarity and calm descended upon him, whereupon he kicked his ass. Its also possible to use Force Lightning without being darkside, Luke and Mara did, and so did Jolee Bindo.
No, completely different than that. In that case Bane has the feat, it is simply a matter of logically deducing its place in the absence of those things. In this case Marek hasn't performed the feats yet. And most of them were done by a clone. He hasn't done them.
That was a clone. The threadstarter refered to Starkiller as 'the one who broke the Rule of Two', meaning the first one who was Vaders secret apprentice. And he didn't do that to the whole ship, it specifies repeatedly that he does it to 'the last solid fragment' of the ship. The thing was obviously breaking apart and practically dismantled already.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said that it did fluctuate,
Excellent.
Originally posted by Nephthys
but if you must know, in the novel Marek was losing to Vader until a sense of clarity and calm descended upon him, whereupon he kicked his ass. Its also possible to use Force Lightning without being darkside, Luke and Mara did, and so did Jolee Bindo.
Your point? Vaapad requires Mace Windu to succumb to the thrill and rush of combat, it doesn't make him any less of a Jedi.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, completely different than that. In that case Bane has the feat, it is simply a matter of logically deducing its place in the absence of those things. In this case Marek hasn't performed the feats yet.
But you do not claim that his powers fluctuated. So if there is no difference between a light side/dark side Marek, then there's no reason to assume he can't use such powers. It's as though you're arguing Dooku can't use Force lightning until the Battle of Geonosis instead of, say, the beginning of the film because he hasn't displayed the power until that exact time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And most of them were done by a clone. He hasn't done them.
Who says it was a clone?
Originally posted by Nephthys
That was a clone.
According to whom?
Originally posted by Nephthys
The threadstarter refered to Starkiller as 'the one who broke the Rule of Two', meaning the first one who was Vaders secret apprentice.
Technically, both broke the Rule of Two, as Vader trained the Starkiller in the sequel to be his apprentice as well.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And he didn't do that to the whole ship, it specifies repeatedly that he does it to 'the last solid fragment' of the ship. The thing was obviously breaking apart and practically dismantled already.
Which was still a great deal more than Bane has ever disintegrated, especially unaided.
I think I'm done for the night, but the reason I ask about Marek's potential clone status is that I remember project director Hayden Blackman saying that it was going to be the central ambiguous issue of the game: were you a clone or were you Starkiller reincarnated? The recently-released Essential Reader's Companion leaves it on a similar note of ambiguity. So a direct confirmation either way would be greatly appreciated.
Anyway, I'm officially casting my vote in favor of Marek. While he may not possess Bane's skills with a lightsaber, he's substantially more powerful in the Force and demonstrably more masterful with it as well. (The feat with the Salvation is just incredible: erecting Force shields to withstand the ferocious heat and raindrops hitting with the force of thermal detonators while simultaneously rooting himself to the ship, not to mention holding the frigate together for much of its final journey, then the final act of disintegrating it on a dime? Unbelievable.) Without his orbalisks and exclusive access to a dark side nexus, Bane is just hopelessly outmatched in the Force.
This was a good debate, though.
I don't know if I agree with you in the substantially more powerful quote. More raw power? Yes. More prowess in directing destructive power in combat? No. Unless both are going to go Super Saiyan and unleash everything that they have at a distance with no worry for destroying themselves in the process I give it to Bane.
For all the raw strength Galen may have had it wasn't enough to take down either Vader or the Emperor permanently. As Neph said in regards to ability, Bane may have been near a source of darkside energy to maintain some of his attacks, but he would certainly be able to manage them without the nexus as well. If not, then there are a lot of things Sidious should have never been able to pull of in normal situations either.
I'll be glad to give Marek more credence with some examples of him killing Dark Lords or Jedi Masters of top tier power.