Darth Bane vs. Starkiller

Started by Nephthys6 pages

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Nephthys
Oh come on, could that be anymore of a false comparison?! Vaapad is a specially designed technique that he uses so that he can feel that feel that way and not fall. Plus, all the other Vaapad users fell to the darkside, remember? With Galen he obviously turned away from the darkside. No special technique was used, he simply gave up his anger at Vader and became calm. Its blatantly trying to parallel the ending of RotJ imo.

It's not a false comparison. Vaapad enables its users to skirt the dark side; the fact that Sora and Depa failed to master it is only proof of the dark side's lure. The fact remains that combat aggression is not exclusive to dark siders. Luke was in the very throes of battle rage when he fought Caedus and Lumiya but did not fall to the dark side. Similarly, Dooku is a Lord of the Sith and does not exhibit the same sort of combat rage demonstrated elsewhere by Maul and Sidious. Additionally, Anakin was possessed of calm and clarity when slaying Dooku, but that doesn't mean it's a "lightside" or "Jedi" act.

Trying to ascribe conclusive Force alignment to instances of aggression is a futile effort when we have examples of Jedi and Sith behaving in combat contrary to what is expected of them.

Nephthys
In the Dark Thunder cinematics that you unlock in the game you can see Vader showing the original Galen Mareks corpse to the Dark Apprentice:

Who's to say that it's the original's corpse? Vader had access to countless "Starkiller" bodies. Given his tendency to lie throughout both games, this could very well be a massive gambit.

Of course, the only reason I'm saying this is because of the continued ambiguity on the subject. I do not inherently object to the idea of Marek the Second literally being Marek the Second.

Nephthys
Lol. Ok, firstly we don't know the size of the fragment that Galen destroyed so we can't actually say that.

If you're looking for precise dimensions, sure. But if you're looking for a general assessment, no. According to the text, it was the first half ("fore"😉 of a Nebulon-B frigate, which by my calculations is a great deal more than a dozen or so technobeasts.

Nephthys
Secondly, 'unaided?' And Galen wasn't aided in his task? The ship was falling apart already and the text notes that 'The stricken ship was glowing red, with the last shreds of plasma still clinging to it like flames.' Metal gets softer when heated numbnuts.

That the ship retained most of its structural integrity (it only separated due to the relatively flimsy spine joining the fore and aft sections). The forces acting on the dying ship certainly weren't sufficient to reduce it to its constituent parts by the time it hit the facility until Marek destroyed it himself.

Nephthys
And thirdly, the part where it says that he 'blew it into a billion pieces' is obviously hyperbole. You've never heard of something 'exploding into a million pieces' before? Juno observes afterwards that 'A cloud of hot metallic fragments was spreading across the city. Dense splinters rained from it, hissing where they landed. Heavier fragments struck with more substantial thuds, near and far.' She also observes at the time that 'the Salivation exploded into fiery pieces.' Obviously, he did not disintegrate it, but rather used the Force to blow it up.

Disintegrate simply means to break up into parts. You're confusing the term with atomize, foo'. By definition, what Starkiller did qualifies as disintegration. The feat with the Salvation is in vast excess of what Bane has ever demonstrated unaided. Starkiller is simply on a whole 'nother level.

Nephthys
3 strikes and you're out. Good game though, that almost had me worried.

Your defeat was inevitable.

Originally posted by jmoul
I was referring to the original Starkiller, not any of the clones.

So we're not talking about the so-called Dark Apprentice or the zombified hordes Vader unleashed against Starkiller in TFU2. But what about the Starkiller in TFU2?

Until that Starkiller is shown to be either the real one or a clone, we should stick with the one in TFU I

Originally posted by jmoul
Until that Starkiller is shown to be either the real one or a clone, we should stick with the one in TFU I

Very good.

I personally think his feats should count. Even if TFUII Starkiller was a clone, I really don't see how he could be more powerful than the Original. And his fight with Vader suggests he really wasn't.

As the thread starter I am asking that we keep it to the Starkiller from TFU I.

I'm 0kay with that.

Quit whining people.

Lol

Was just giving an opinion.

^I agree with Power on this one. I seriously doubt Starkiller II is stronger than the original. His feats should apply via powerscaling.

how can Starkiller dodge the lightning?

I didn't know this thread existed...