JLA Battle Royal.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
But you do have a bias dont you?

We see a panel of him flying and then green light with fear and perhaps pain on his face due to the kyrptonite affecting him. Unless there is more art to showcase him resisting it, you are wrong.

And I meant your huge Superman bias.

"It wouldnt make sense to anyone watching" was in reference to what happens after the kryptonite affects him and they mind puck him with his fears. Since you see nothing more than his facial reaction you cannot really convince anyone that he wasnt affected. The next panel, we are looking inside Supermans mind to see what he sees.

And its funny you mention the text. I believe I wrote it all out for you - it supports the fact that Superman knows Green Lantern can create Kryptonite.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
And I meant your huge Superman bias.

"It wouldnt make sense to anyone watching" was in reference to what happens after the kryptonite affects him and they mind puck him with his fears. Since you see nothing more than his facial reaction you cannot really convince anyone that he wasnt affected. The next panel, we are looking inside Supermans mind to see what he sees.

And its funny you mention the text. I believe I wrote it all out for you - it supports the fact that Superman knows Green Lantern can create Kryptonite.

Yeah, in the next panel just after your "kryptonite makes him feel pain", he is totally unharmed, this isn't smallville where kryptonite poisoning fades away instantly.

So, we see his face and we know "kryptonite" was just to make him afraid, where was this pain alluded which you're referencing? "Perhaps" wouldn't cut it.

Superman believed GLs can create kryptonite, doesn't makes it true when all the facts contradict it just like he believed protex had real kryptonite. Heck, we saw hal exploiting that false belief. Anyway, hal hasn't created kryptonite and to think that Geoff Johns' GLs can create kryptonite is laughable. If you're going to argue about pre ZH hal, superman wraps his fist in the yellow shield of his cape and punch him or simply HV's(yellow) him and KTFO hal. Anyway hal loses.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Free For All:
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Firestorm
Captain Atom
Hal Jordan
Wonder Woman

Fight in DCu New York.
Everybody starts out 100 feet from each other
No Teaming up.
No BFR.
Fight in Character.
Knock out eliminates people.

Pre-Reboot

P.R. is relatively knowledgeable and seems to have great respect for Captain Atom. I've read that Monarch was/is essentially him.
Monarch took on Superboy Prime despite Prime being amped beyond his normal levels due to Prme absorbing Green Lantern Guardians of the Galaxy energy from an explosion.

Even without that, I'm told the relatively "normal" version of Captain Atom took on 3 versions of Superman and won

As a result of that and the knowledge that Captain is a being whose own atoms and molecules are continually being rearranged, I'm willing to either give CA the crown or omit him from contention due to "warping" into the future when one of the other powerhouses overloads him.

Superman -- Gets taken out by Firestorm, depending on whom Firestorm fears most, Clark or J'onnz. If he's most afraid of Clark, Firestorm creates Kryptonite and that's all she wrote. Clark gets a break if Firestorm is most afraid of Manhunter, though. Give the slightest nod to Firestorm targeting Superman first only because his main power is to create/re-arrange matter and the ONLY person with a universally-known weakness to a well-known compound that Firestorm knows how to synthesize is Superman.

Martian Manhunter -- Theoretically, the toughest one to eliminate. I see him taking out Firestorm after Firestorm takes out Superman. Likeliest winner IF he acts sensibly.

Firestorm -- Takes out Superman then gets taken out by Manhunter.

Hal Jordan -- Not sure; thinks he gets taken out by Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman -- Versus Captain Atom, don't know. Maybe Captain Atom was overloaded by one of Superman's punches via the blitz people like to call and teleported forward a week. Then Firestorm took out Supes. Manhunter took Firestorm out; too much ability to surround the area with flammable material. That leaves Diana with a nearly free shot at Manhunter, save for the complication of Hal. Don't know who Hal would go after in that case. Seen more Wonder Woman victories over Green Lanterns than the reverse so have to go with Wonder Woman winning a Hal versus Diana confrontation.

Likeliest scenario in this case would be Diana and Hal taking on J'onnz.
Nothing more dangerous than someone who is intangible, superfast AND can read your thoughts, after all. Likeliest result either way, though is that Hal now goes out. Either he takes on J'onnz and has his mind messed with, or he takes on Diana and is overwhelmed physically.

Think it'd be a really, really close battle at this point. Could go either way. Got to give a slight nod to Manhunter for sheer versality, ability to go invisible in a camouflage-happy setting like New York, and, of course, his ability to read minds and know what Diana's plan for fighting him is.

Overall pre-reboot winner: J'onnz.

Blue fails again.

Why would Superman blitz CA but not the one guy who can create Kryptonite on the field?

Duh, its bluewaterrider!

Guys, don't make it personal.

Blue, the normal Captain Atom did no such thing. That was Monarch.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Free For All:

Superman
Martian Manhunter
Firestorm
Captain Atom
Hal Jordan
Wonder Woman

DCnU

Eliminating Captain Atom and Firestorm from contention for being virtual unknowns. If someone wants to say they win and can make a good case for them, fine.

Looking now at these 4.

Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Superman
Hal Jordan

Considering who would win from these people, well, the order seems just about right.
Hal seems to be a relatively weak link, least likely to win among these four, already given very rough treatment in 1-on-1 matches with Clark and Diana. As for J'onnz, well, the only thing we've seen of him was taking on the entire DCnU roster, and apparently winning.

Diana gets the nod over Clark because of Clark constantly getting trashed in fights, group or otherwise. He still tends to try and "tank" a lot of assaults he should simply try to avoid.

The recent equivalent-Earth press showing was impressive, however, Clark has shown nothing like that in the pages of Justice League, unless I seriously overlooked something somebody should be showing me.

It's also worth pointing out that Diana, like Clark, conceals HER true strength as well, even as her standard level is enough to draw blood from him at a kick. She can kick it into FAR higher gear. Her so-called "god"-mode revelation and handling of the goddess Artemis is proof of that.

Barring anything like that, though, going by what I've seen in Justice League itself ... got to give J'onnz the nod once again.

Also

😖hifty:

Spoiler:
It was a dream.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, don't make it personal.

Blue, the normal Captain Atom did no such thing. That was Monarch.

I generally try not to.

I see it as between Superman and MM. Edge to Superman, especially if they all fight in character.

Reasoning? Within character, they ALL hold back. MM isn't going to open up with a super mental attack whilst simultaneously phasing into his head whilst using Martin vision etc. And when holding back, Superman is still top dog.

Edited.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I generally try not to.

I see it as between Superman and MM. Edge to Superman, especially if they all fight in character.

Reasoning? Within character, they ALL hold back. MM isn't going to open up with a super mental attack whilst simultaneously phasing into his head whilst using Martin vision etc. And when holding back, Superman is still top dog.

I actually wasn't talking to you lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
when holding back, Superman is ... top dog.

If DCnU Superman is top dog when holding back, Diana is his master.
Is she even giving him her full attention here?

****ing lulz. Suckershoting an unprepared superman is a feat now!

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If DCnU Superman is top dog when holding back, Diana is his master.
Is she even giving him her full attention here?

I was talking about DCU. Were you?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would Superman blitz CA but not the one guy who can create Kryptonite on the field?

Why would Superman even blitz if he's in character, is a better question.

But the answer to yours is that people normally give priority to their own biggest concerns. Pre-Reboot Superman is on record saying that J'onnz tops the list of people he's most wary of on the field of combat.

It's Jonn'z he'd go after first if that's accurate; MM would actually be priority number one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I was talking about DCU. Were you?

Well, not when I gave THAT response, I wasn't.
I was talking about and illustrating DCnU, then, hence the scan posted.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Well, not when I gave THAT response, I wasn't.
I was talking about and illustrating DCnU, then, hence the scan posted.

Which was out of context, and a complete sucker punch. Or kick, rather.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Why would Superman even blitz if he's in character, is a better question.

But the answer to yours is that people normally give priority to their own biggest concerns. Pre-Reboot Superman is on record saying that J'onnz tops the list of people he's most wary of on the field of combat.

It's Jonn'z he'd go after first if that's accurate; MM would actually be priority number one.

He blitzes against threats. He's actually pretty clever with his powers when he fights. Plus, he knows what Firestorm can do.

Nonetheless, in character, IF Superman went after MM, they'd probably fly all over the world, fighting (assuming he doesn't use his heat vision). Firestorm won't keep up if in the first few seconds of the fight, the duo are punching each other over China or in the desert somewhere, to minimise casualties (which Superman would try and do in character). At the same time, WW or someone else would fight Firestorm.