JLA Battle Royal.

I'm fine if you want to say Diana's kick does more damage than pulling away from a sword, magic or otherwise.

You can even tell me the unseen transition was her grabbing Clark by the wrist and forcing his hand off the sword hilt and THEN kicking him in the face, if you want.
I'll give you no argument about Diana there.
She's a very strong lady, after all ...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Stronger than benching the Earth? Lol.

Who thought even Superman himself would ever reach that point in the DCnU?
Certainly not most people in THIS forum.

Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus in her present DCnU incarnation.
And her writers are borrowing liberally from various sources of literature to give their interpretation of the Greek pantheon.

Diana's nearly always been up there with Superman, either close to, matching, or, in some cases, exceeding his physical strength.

That may well be more true now than at any point since the 1940s 50s and 60s.

And they certainly have the justification for it given the present literary bent.
Things would get very interesting, for instance, if they decided to borrow from the Iliad for Zeus's rough power level:

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(From the Iliad (Story of Troy) of Homer, Book 8)

Try me and find out for yourselves. Hang me a golden chain from heaven, and lay hold of it all of you, gods and goddesses together - tug as you will, you will not drag Zeus the supreme counselor from heaven to earth; but were I to pull at it myself I should draw you up with earth and sea into the bargain, then would I bind the chain about some pinnacle of Olympus and leave you all dangling in the mid firmament. So far am I above all others either of gods or men."
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http://perseus.uchicago.edu/perseus-cgi/citequery3.pl?dbname=GreekTexts&getid=1&query=Hom. Il. 8

Diana has never matched or exceeded superman in strength in their normal forms.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

I'm fine if you want to say Diana's kick does more damage than pulling away from a sword, magic or otherwise.

You can even tell me the unseen transition was her grabbing Clark by the wrist and forcing his hand off the sword hilt and THEN kicking him in the face, if you want.
I'll give you no argument about Diana there.
She's a very strong lady, after all ...

Who thought even Superman himself would ever reach that point in the DCnU?
Certainly not most people in THIS forum.

Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus in her present DCnU incarnation.
And her writers are borrowing liberally from various sources of literature to give their interpretation of the Greek pantheon.

Diana's nearly always been up there with Superman, either close to, matching, or, in some cases, exceeding his physical strength.

That may well be more true now than at any point since the 1940s 50s and 60s.

And they certainly have the justification for it given the present literary bent.
Things would get very interesting, for instance, if they decided to borrow from the Iliad for Zeus's rough power level:

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(From the Iliad (Story of Troy) of Homer, Book 8)

Try me and find out for yourselves. [b]Hang me a golden chain from heaven, and lay hold of it all of you, gods and goddesses together - tug as you will, you will not drag Zeus the supreme counselor from heaven to earth; but were I to pull at it myself I should draw you up with earth and sea into the bargain, then would I bind the chain about some pinnacle of Olympus and leave you all dangling in the mid firmament. So far am I above all others either of gods or men."
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http://perseus.uchicago.edu/perseus-cgi/citequery3.pl?dbname=GreekTexts&getid=1&query=Hom. Il. 8 [/B]

Tangent. You want to postulate on the possibility of Diana having Zeus' strength, and yet are equally open to an Amazonian warrior princess going into battle with a dull sword....

As for the sword, we're not specifically told where it's from and what it is normally used for or how much use it actually gets. After 5 years I imagine it could get dull, and not until year 5, where the Wonder Woman title apparently starts, does Diana have all that much extremely regular contact with the gods. She doesn't send it to Heph for monthly maintenance or anything.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Prove it.

If you have easy access to it, read Wonder Woman #7, Volume 5.
If you don't, if I get the chance, I'll post some relevant scans from the book in this thread.

I meant prove that it would get dull, and that she doesn't sharpen it.

Reason why I ask is this. We see from the scan and we all admit that he didn't get cut from the sword.

Scenario 1: its a dull sword. An Amazonian warrior princess, out in an unfamiliar, possibly hostile new world, does not maintain her weapons, and tries to use them in battle.

Scenario 2: When WW grabbed it, Superman was fast enough to take his hand off it, but not fast enough to stop the kick.

Scenario 3: He's durable enough that even though he was still gripping it tightly (tight enough to stop her mid swing), he didn't get cut.

Of course, Scenario 2 and 3 can co-exist together, but you, blue, are suggesting Scenario 1. Which doesn't quite sit right with me...

Here we go with blue explaining us the details for the next 10 pages.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There must have been times when either one of these characters have gone crazy/evil, and decided to fight the others. What happened then?

Superman

1. Man of Tomorrow #13. Stopped by Kyle Rayner Green Lantern synthesizing kryptonite.
2. Wonder Woman #219. Part of Greg Rucka's Sacrifice. Rolls the JLA minus Wonder Woman. Stopped by Wonder Woman throwing her tiara and slashing Superman's throat after an intense one-on-one, though Diana holds back her full power throughout the fight, knowing Superman is not to blame for his actions. Resolved with finality by Diana snapping Superman's controller's neck.

Martian Manhunter

1. Fernus, the Burning. JLA Trial by Fire. J'onnz reverts into his prehistoric fire resistant form. Rolls the JLA with ease in Round 1. The Guardians save Green Lantern John Stewart who is able to play the part of Cavalry for his teammates. Team manages to regroup ... eventually.
2. Malefaak (Malefic). Ostrander. J'onnz is possessed by the spirit of his brother. Holds his own for awhile against EVERYONE ganging up on him.

Firestorm

Fury of Firestorm #4? Heard Firestorm takes on, and possibly down, the rest of the JLA in this one. Haven't read it yet, though.

Captain Atom

Monarch. Countdown to Final Crisis.
Monarch seems to have subdued all major superheroes on his planet.
Defeated by Superman Prime with guardian amp ripping his containment suit.

Hal Jordan
Zero Hour. Parallax.

Wonder Woman

League of One. Picks off JLA members one by one except Superman, who is her failsafe for rescuing those teammates while she herself battles a fate-decreed Death-empowered Dragon, saving her teammates' lives.

Fernus wasn't j'onn. He was an entirely different being with a different power set.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm a superman fan first, but I don't start giving him 10/10 over GLs.

Yeah, in the next panel just after your "kryptonite makes him feel pain", he is totally unharmed, this isn't smallville where kryptonite poisoning fades away instantly.

So, we see his face and we know "kryptonite" was just to make him afraid, where was this pain alluded which you're referencing? "Perhaps" wouldn't cut it.

Superman believed GLs can create kryptonite, doesn't makes it true when all the facts contradict it just like he believed protex had real kryptonite. Heck, we saw hal exploiting that false belief. Anyway, hal hasn't created kryptonite and to think that Geoff Johns' GLs can create kryptonite is laughable. If you're going to argue about pre ZH hal, superman wraps his fist in the yellow shield of his cape and punch him or simply HV's(yellow) him and KTFO hal. Anyway hal loses.

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Creation of Kryptonite - not construct, not fake rock.

Superman realizes what is happening, because he knows Green Lanterns can do this, and tries to prepare for it:

Superman feels the affects - he is scared of it and Hal takes says he would take advantage of that situation. From this ONE panel you cannot state that the Kryptonite has no affect on him when from what we can see it clearly does. All we see is his eyes - in some sort of negative reaction to the Kryptonite.

Now, you have no idea what is happening to Superman outside of his mind. You cannot presume that the Kryptonite had no affect, because again, from all we have seen, it has. Now, the very next panel is inside Superman's own mind. You can't say "he's unharmed", because Tom has now switched to his fear tactic and we are not viewing reality but inside Clark's mind.

This is a scan you used to try and prove that they can't create Kryptonite. Yet no where on that scan does it prove that point. It in fact proves the opposite.

I personally don't believe that Kryptonite is a sure fire way for anyone to win, I've seen Superman prevail against it too many times before. But on this one topic - the creation of Kryptonite in the first place - with this one scan, you are wrong.

Huh? Is that not the comic where Hal says HOW he would beat the JLA, as opposed to actually doing it?

Or am I thinking of something else?

Yes, that same comic. But Tom did it. Abhi was trying to use that scan to prove that they can't create Kryptonite. That scan doesn't prove that. If he has other evidence, that's fine. It's just that the scan he used doesn't prove it.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jonn always wins.

Always.

Although I don't quite subscribe to THAT view, I DO see J'onnz presenting a greater overall challenge than any other single competitor in this group.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14076752

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Yes, that same comic. But Tom did it. Abhi was trying to use that scan to prove that they can't create Kryptonite. That scan doesn't prove that. If he has other evidence, that's fine. It's just that the scan he used doesn't prove it.

Oh okay. Balls to that anyway; proving negatives is a pain in the ass.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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Creation of Kryptonite - not construct, not fake rock.

From this ONE panel you [b]cannot state that the Kryptonite has no affect on him when from what we can see it clearly does.

All we see is his eyes - in some sort of negative reaction to the Kryptonite.

Now, you have no idea what is happening to Superman outside of his mind. You cannot presume that the Kryptonite had no affect, because again, from all we have seen, it has.

Now, the very next panel is inside Superman's own mind. You can't say "he's unharmed", because Tom has now switched to his fear tactic and we are not viewing reality but inside Clark's mind.

This is a scan you used to try and prove that they can't create Kryptonite. Yet no where on that scan does it prove that point. It in fact proves the opposite.

I personally don't believe that Kryptonite is a sure fire way for anyone to win, I've seen Superman prevail against it too many times before. But on this one topic - the creation of Kryptonite in the first place - with this one scan, you are wrong. [/B]

Wow, abhi twists everything. How can anyone take him seriously.

Quan, I've already said that if you continue to follow me around for no reason other than troll me, I would report you. Go away.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow, abhi twists everything. How can anyone take him seriously.

He's emulating you... ermm

Wonder Woman or Firestorm wins. Mainly Wonder Woman though.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman or Firestorm wins. Mainly Wonder Woman though.