Peak Bane vs. Peak-Suit Vader

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Even if you guys wanted to use all the stuff from tfu and the other stuff that he couldnt do in the movies, at best you can argue that vader beats him in just one areA - TELKINESIS, BUT EVen that is doubtful and at very least bane will rival him. However, bane on the other hand has extreme speed feats, can use force storm, not to mention the sith sorcery he apparently uses in the third book. and this is when we cripple bane without orbaliskjs. So how does vader, who by comparison is basically a one trick pony, comapres in the lsightest?

Firstly who said he couldn't do them in the movies??

Just because HE CHOSE not to show off his top abilities against an Old Man and a Kid does not mean he couldn't do them. And btw the blocking blaster fire with his hands and choking over the view screen are both in the movies and I'd say still among his top feats.

Second, As if Bane's feats are so inline with the movies.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I am very stupid.

Fixed. 😄

And I know, you're a dumbfvck. It shows.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

When did I say he's as fast as ROTS Anakin or Yoda, Person who is smarter than me??

I was arguing against saying Vader is Slow Just Because You Say Sor!

I said he wasn't as fast as them, and you questioned why; and the only reason you would question was if you disagreed, implying you think otherwise.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Yeah and Padawan Obi-Wan matched Maul in a rage enhanced stae, and Savage Opress was overpowering Dooku and Ventress together in a similar state.

What's your point?

Because I'm too stupid to see a basic point where it's written - hell, I even chose to respond to you, because I'm too stupid to see where I was bested.

Oh and for the record Vader was clearly not going all out against his son. But that's not something I'd expect you to pick up on.

Yeah, 'cause I'm using an example where Luke blitzed Vader, to exemplify Luke being faster than Vader in a duel and thusly beating him.

But I wouldn't expect you to be bright enough to pick up on that the first time. 🙂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

No it doesn't - because I say so!

Yeah, doesn't work that way. Everyone here knows Vader is slow as fvck - Bane was able to block and dodge every rain drop in a pouring storm - for ten minutes - Vader doesn't have speed-feats - or endurance for that matter - that match that.

He's slower. Now go outside and enjoy your extended-childhood. 🙂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Where did you make this up from?

Because I don't know anything about Darth Vader, so I'm questioning this - which kind of refutes the point of me even coming here, unless I'm planning to just look like a moron, which has turned into the case.

Shall I teach you?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

If he was as slow as your making out he would not be even close to 80% of the Emperor.

So what you're saying is that his showings, especially in the movies, dictate that Lucas was wrong about Vader being 80% of Sidious?

Ingenious. What next?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Doesn't matter. The mechanical limbs would have A LOT of strength to move around fast.

Otherwise by your absurd theory I'd have to assume ROTS Anakin moves his mechanical arm very slowly because it weighs so much.

I'm need my mommma...!

Read up to my other post again, Dumbass.

The core of Darth Vader is flesh and acts as the support fulcrum for limbs and an outer shell of armor, that weigh hundreds of Lbs.

To even sustain the type of strength needed to move conventionally day-to-day, he needs to draw upon the Force constantly - which drains him.

Even Anakin with just his mechanical forearm was said to have suffered a lack of dexterity - compared to his other hand.

And if you're the star wars expert you're trying to pretend to be - you'll know I'm right and won't have to question it.

Otherwise I'm just here to teach you. 🙂

- Anakin in his regular body, had a fully-functioning and healthy system of MidiChlorians in his bloodstream, not to mention a perfectly healthy circulatory-system and lungs. Add to the fact that he wasn't weighed down by hundreds of Lbs yet of armor and mechanics, and this meant his body could gyrate, bend and move with normal speed - with only a slight lessening of dexterity in the mechanical hand.

- Then when he became Vader, a large amount of MidiChlorians were destroyed at the cellular-level in his body, lessening his grasp on the Force - his circulatory-system, responsible for carrying oxygen-filled blood to the burned and now-damaged muscles in his body, needed for movement, were very badly damaged and effected his performance.
His lungs were horribly damaged, so that again, oxygen-rich blood, needed to sustain his ravaged muscles, were affected and performance decreased.
Adding to this the acquisition of armor and added mechanics that further weighed down his damaged, ravaged fleshly-core, which already biologically-weakened all the time.

So yes, the rather significant difference in his early and later state, mark the rather obvious decline in his overall-performance, that would be obvious to you, if you weren't an Imbecile.

😎

This is what I quoted Dumbo. Learn to read then come back.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Also, it's been well documented that Vader is slow as molasses -

[i]Originally posted by Rookwood

Yeah, 'cause I'm using an example where Luke blitzed Vader, to exemplify Luke being faster than Vader in a duel and thusly beating him.

But I wouldn't expect you to be bright enough to pick up on that the first time. 🙂

Yeah in a fit of rage he blitzed a Vader who was clearly restraining himself. Great Dumbo.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Yeah, doesn't work that way. Everyone here knows Vader is slow as fvck

And again you've made the claim. And if I disagree with this then you try to make out that I'm saying Vader is as fast as ROTS Anakin and Yoda.

Your not even worth replying to since you obviously don't have the IQ to follow a conversation.

Btw Ares has already proven you wrong. And there's only a handful here who believe Vader is slow.

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Originally posted by Rookwood
- Anakin in his regular body, had a fully-functioning and healthy system of MidiChlorians in his bloodstream, not to mention a perfectly healthy circulatory-system and lungs. Add to the fact that he wasn't weighed down by hundreds of Lbs yet of armor and mechanics, and this meant his body could gyrate, bend and move with normal speed - with only a slight lessening of dexterity in the mechanical hand.

- Then when he became Vader, a large amount of MidiChlorians were destroyed at the cellular-level in his body, lessening his grasp on the Force - his circulatory-system, responsible for carrying oxygen-filled blood to the burned and now-damaged muscles in his body, needed for movement, were very badly damaged and effected his performance.
His lungs were horribly damaged, so that again, oxygen-rich blood, needed to sustain his ravaged muscles, were affected and performance decreased.
Adding to this the acquisition of armor and added mechanics that further weighed down his damaged, ravaged fleshly-core, which already biologically-weakened all the time.

So yes, the rather significant difference in his early and later state, mark the rather obvious decline in his overall-performance, that would be obvious to you, if you weren't an Imbecile.

😎

In Summary we should all just believe Dumbo's theories without any evidence to back it up.

Answer the question, does Anakin mechanical arm move slowly because it weighs too much.

Answer this first Dumbo then continue your rant.

Originally posted by Rookwood

THE POLL IS A LIE! YOUR VOTES DO NOT MATTER! RUN AWAY FROM HER, HURRY, BEFORE SHE ENSNARES YOU!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Firstly who said he couldn't do them in the movies??

Just because HE CHOSE not to show off his top abilities against an Old Man and a Kid does not mean he couldn't do them. And btw the blocking blaster fire with his hands and choking over the view screen are both in the movies and I'd say still among his top feats.

[quote]Second, As if Bane's feats are so inline with the movies.

Axcept Bane was not in the movies so all that means is that he is more powerful than the jedis and siths from the movies. vader on the other hand is in the movies and in them he is not as powerful as he is in tuf. He blocked blaster fire with his glove and nothing more special about choking the guy then it is choking any guy, no matter where he is, as long as he can see him.

He didnt CHOOSE to not move fast enough and not prevent his arm getting chopped off by luke in empire. Nor did he go easy on old ben they were evenly matched until ben decided to become one with qui-gon. only person he went easy on was luke, and all that he did was hold back offensivcely, he was still moving as fast as he could to block attacks.

and id doesnt make sense that he could do those tk feats when not even yoda could in the fight of his life, yoda who was even with emporer and vader who was weaker.

also respond to sw legend please.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Axcept Bane was not in the movies so all that means is that he is more powerful than the jedis and siths from the movies.

Yeah great, then so was Starkiller. And Vader was almost a match for him.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
vader on the other hand is in the movies and in them he is not as powerful as he is in tuf.

Says who? Lucas himself has stated he's 80% as Powerful as The Most Powerful Sith Lord in history.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
He blocked blaster fire with his glove

Says who? Some EU Source?? Well you can't just pick and choose which parts of the EU you accept. You can only ignore the EU where there's an event that DIRECTLY contradicts an event from the movie (you would have to point out which event) or a statement of Lucas's.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
and nothing more special about choking the guy then it is choking any guy, no matter where he is, as long as he can see him.

LOL Are you for real?? Choking a guy over a view screen is at least 10 times more impressive than choking a guy whose right in front of you.

Next thing you'll be saying Vader choking an Imperial officer in front of him using TK is no different to him physically choking the rebel officer with his mechanical hand.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
He didnt CHOOSE to not move fast enough and not prevent his arm getting chopped off by luke in empire.

Yeah because it was his son who he clearly could have killed anytime he wanted, despite the fact that his son showed his blinding speed in that leap he made.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Nor did he go easy on old ben they were evenly matched until ben decided to become one with qui-gon.

Yeah so?! Was Old Ben as old as Dooku?? Was he all mechanical?? Nope. And yet Vader was keeping up with him quite comfortably.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah great, then so was Starkiller. And Vader was almost a match for him.

You have proofed my point for me bro. Starkiller was not in movie but he interacts with peoples that were, some who were almost match for him.

Says who? Lucas himself has stated he's 80% as Powerful as The Most Powerful Sith Lord in history.

Respond to SW Legend please and provide source. I know George personally and he is not in the business of using percentages.

Says who? Some EU Source?? Well you can't just pick and choose which parts of the EU you accept. You can only ignore the EU where there's an event that DIRECTLY contradicts an event from the movie (you would have to point out which event) or a statement of Lucas's.

Behind the scenes.

LOL Are you for real?? Choking a guy over a view screen is at least 10 times more impressive than choking a guy whose right in front of you.

Next thing you'll be saying Vader choking an Imperial officer in front of him using TK is no different to him physically choking the rebel officer with his mechanical hand.

It is exact same thing as the power is simply visualising the choke around the opponents neck, provided vader can see him it doesnt matter where he is, as enegry comes from the opponents location, not vaders.

Yeah because it was his son who he clearly could have killed anytime he wanted, despite the fact that his son showed his blinding speed in that leap he made.

He still showed the same slowness when failing to protect himself, plus even when he is toying with someone he wouldnt slow his movements down when defending, he would do it with his usual speed and it would be shown to be swift and effortless.

Yeah so?! Was Old Ben as old as Dooku?? Was he all mechanical?? Nope. And yet Vader was keeping up with him quite comfortably.

Not all jedis are able to use the force to remove old age bro. Just because dooku did does not mean be should be able to.

I refuse to believe you know GL personally. But I'd also like the source for the statement about Vader being 80% of Sidious.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Says who? Some EU Source?? Well you can't just pick and choose which parts of the EU you accept. You can only ignore the EU where there's an event that DIRECTLY contradicts an event from the movie (you would have to point out which event) or a statement of Lucas's.

Are... Are you fvcking kidding me, have you ever seen The Empire Strikes Back? In the scene where Lando takes Han, Leia, and Chewie to "dinner" where Vader is waiting for them. Han shots a him three or four times, and Vader just casually lifts his hand and blocks them, then takes Han's blaster with the Force.

If you don't know that scene, then you are not knowledgable enough in Star Wars facts and you need to gtfo.

Originally posted by jmoul
Are... Are you fvcking kidding me, have you ever seen The Empire Strikes Back? In the scene where Lando takes Han, Leia, and Chewie to "dinner" where Vader is waiting for them. Han shots a him three or four times, and Vader just casually lifts his hand and blocks them, then takes Han's blaster with the Force.

If you don't know that scene, then you are not knowledgable enough in Star Wars facts and you need to gtfo.

Originally posted by jmoul
Are... Are you fvcking kidding me, have you ever seen The Empire Strikes Back? In the scene where Lando takes Han, Leia, and Chewie to "dinner" where Vader is waiting for them. Han shots a him three or four times, and Vader just casually lifts his hand and blocks them, then takes Han's blaster with the Force.

If you don't know that scene, then you are not knowledgable enough in Star Wars facts and you need to gtfo.

No you Moron. I meant how do you know it was his glove that brushed them off and not his power in the force. I believe there's an EU source that confirms it was his glove.

That's like my favorite scene in ESB so shut the f*** up!

lol yeh I knew what you were saying. 😂

Ah so you admit that it was his glove?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No you Moron. I meant how do you know it was his glove that brushed them off and not his power in the force. I believe there's an EU source that confirms it was his glove.

That's like my favorite scene in ESB so shut the f*** up!

The way you worded the original response sounded like you were saying that it you had never seen that scene, so I apologize for the misunderstanding there.

Vader probably did use the Force to prevent the metal in his hand from getting fried, unless his hands could absorb the bolts without damage.

Either way, the scene in ESB is really all that is needed to show that he can block blaster fire with his hand, since it is in the highest canon of the Star Wars Universe.

Originally posted by jmoul
then you are not knowledgable enough in Star Wars facts and you need to gtfo.

- That's pretty much DARTH POWER to a T.

😛

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No you Moron. I meant how do you know it was his glove that brushed them off and not his power in the force. I believe there's an EU source that confirms it was his glove.

That's like my favorite scene in ESB so shut the f*** up! Imma go take my nap now!

Old argument, solved years ago with the revelation of Force Absorb (Look it up).

lol

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
This is what I quoted Dumbo. Learn to read then come back.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
When did I say he's as fast as Anakin or Yoda?? Learn to read.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Also, it's been well documented that Vader is slow as molasses - he's not as fast as his Pre-suit self; not as fast as RotJ Luke, and not as fast as Yoda.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Where has that been well documented??

Originally posted by Rookwood
If you question/disagree with what I posted, Dumbass, it means you take the opposite position of my statement.

So I say, he's not as fast as Anakin, Yoda, etc - and you ask where that's been shown, showcasing either that you haven't watched the trilogies, or you're just a complete idiot.

You learn to read.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Yeah in a fit of rage he blitzed a Vader who was clearly restraining himself. Great Dumbo.

Do you have proof for Vader restraining himself, during the moment of Luke's blitz? Up until the point of Luke's assault, Vader had been wanting Luke to leave his hiding place and fight him - and then threatened Leia.

And you should call me "Ding Dong" 😄 That's like one step above or below the level of 5-year old-ishness you're displaying with your silly comebacks. 😆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

And again you've made the claim. And if I disagree with this then you try to make out that I'm saying Vader is as fast as ROTS Anakin and Yoda.

Your not even worth replying to since I obviously don't have the IQ to follow a conversation.

Btw Ares has already proven you wrong. And there's only a handful here who believe Vader is slow.

LOL. Ares didn't prove me wrong in this debate in any way.

- And there isn't a single person here, besides your dumbass, who thinks Vader is actually on par with Yoda, in terms of dueling speed - not one person. 😄

Everyone here knows Vader is slow as molasses. Except you, "Dumbo". 😆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

In Summary we should all just believe Dumbo's theories without any evidence to back it up.

Hey, you're the Vader expert - so you should already know what I said was right, and have no need to question it - unless you don't know those things about Vader; in which case you're conceding to me that I know more about Vader than you. 😉

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Answer the question, does Anakin mechanical arm move slowly because it weighs too much.

Answer this first Dumbo then i go to sto wit mommy an she by sum candy

Here you go, you drooling Mongoloid - since in your unfathomable 5-year old-esque wisdom - you missed it the first time. 😄

Originally posted by Rookwood

- Anakin in his regular body, had a fully-functioning and healthy system of MidiChlorians in his bloodstream, not to mention a perfectly healthy circulatory-system and lungs. Add to the fact that he wasn't weighed down by hundreds of Lbs yet of armor and mechanics, and this meant his body could gyrate, bend and move with normal speed - with only a slight lessening of dexterity in the mechanical hand.

- Then when he became Vader, a large amount of MidiChlorians were destroyed at the cellular-level in his body, lessening his grasp on the Force - his circulatory-system, responsible for carrying oxygen-filled blood to the burned and now-damaged muscles in his body, needed for movement, were very badly damaged and effected his performance.
His lungs were horribly damaged, so that again, oxygen-rich blood, needed to sustain his ravaged muscles, were affected and performance decreased.
Adding to this the acquisition of armor and added mechanics that further weighed down his damaged, ravaged fleshly-core, which already biologically-weakened all the time.

So yes, the rather significant difference in his early and later state, mark the rather obvious decline in his overall-performance, that would be obvious to you, if you weren't an Imbecile.

😎

The question here is not whether or not Vader got weaker, because there is too much evidence that he has. Still, he was restraining himself. He didn't want to kill his son, or he could have easily used the force. He had MANY chances in EU to kill Luke too, and he didn't. So yes, Luke blitzed Vader, but there is no reason why Vader couldn't have stopped Luke if he really wanted to.

Originally posted by Rookwood
- That's pretty much DARTH POWER to a T.

😛

Yeah says the guy who claims Yoda got 10 times more powerful during the clone wars.

Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
The question here is not whether or not Vader got weaker, because there is too much evidence that he has. Still, he was restraining himself. He didn't want to kill his son, or he could have easily used the force. He had MANY chances in EU to kill Luke too, and he didn't. So yes, Luke blitzed Vader, but there is no reason why Vader couldn't have stopped Luke if he really wanted to.

It's pointless talking sense to Rockwood. But I'll give it one more try.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Do you have proof for Vader restraining himself, during the moment of Luke's blitz? Up until the point of Luke's assault, Vader had been wanting Luke to leave his hiding place and fight him - and then threatened Leia.

Yes I have tons of proof.

1: Lucas has said Luke was not trained well enough to defeat Vader.

2: TFU is full of feats which show Vader could have clearly Force Choked Luke anytime he wanted. So he was CLEARLY restraining himself.

2: Luke says it himself "Your thoughts betray you Father. I feel the good in you" during the damn fight.

3: Vader couldn't bear killed the Emporer when he tried to kill Luke.

4: Luke while getting choked in a post ROTJ novel says himself "This is what it would have felt like if Vader TRIED to hurt me!!!"

The proof's all there clearly layed out for you Dumbo.

Originally posted by Rookwood
- And there isn't a single person here, besides your dumbass, who thinks Vader is actually on par with Yoda, in terms of dueling speed - not one person. 😄

Everyone here knows Vader is slow as molasses. Except you, "Dumbo". 😆

No one claimed Vader's as fast as Yoda Dumbo.

Just that he's not slow. You keep claiming he is, without any proof whatsoever. And there's plenty of evidence of his speed. In TFU and in RODV.

Try again Dumbo.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Here you go, you drooling Mongoloid - since in your unfathomable 5-year old-esque wisdom - you missed it the first time. 😄

Since "all that armor" did not slow Grievous down. There's absolutely no reason to believe Vader would be slow due to strength enhancing Cyborg parts.

I'll ask you for a THIRD TIME NOW. Did Anakin's Cyborg arm slow him down due to the weight.

Keep ignoring the question Dumbo. You've had your ass kicked twice now in this debate 😆 You should save yourself continued embarrassment and not come back to these boards.