Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah says the guy who claims Yoda got 10 times more powerful during the clone wars.
😛 This coming from the Idiot, who only later, realized Yoda was indeed rusty before the onset of the Clone Wars.
And also is too stupid to understand the concept of "Power Progression". 😆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes I have tons of proof.1: Lucas has said Luke was not trained well enough to defeat Vader.
2: TFU is full of feats which show Vader could have clearly Force Choked Luke anytime he wanted. So he was CLEARLY restraining himself.
2: Luke says it himself "Your thoughts betray you Father. I feel the good in you" during the damn fight.
3: Vader couldn't bear killed the Emporer when he tried to kill Luke.
4: Luke while getting choked in a post ROTJ novel says himself "This is what it would have felt like if Vader TRIED to hurt me!!!"
The proof's all there clearly layed out for you Dumbo.
Lord Lucien would disagree with all of this. 😛
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No one claimed Vader's as fast as Yoda Dumbo.
Oh, so you do concede to my earlier point, that Vader is not as fast as all the people I mentioned in my earlier statement? 😎
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Since his own body did not slow Grievous down. There's absolutely no reason to believe Vader would be slow due to strength enhancing Cyborg parts that weighed hundreds of Lbs.I have CEREBRAL PALSY and can't put together logical cognizant thoughts - so I HAVE to have things explained to me like a retard - because that's what I AM.
Keep ignoring the question Dumbo. I've tried to kick your ass twice now in this debate weep I should save myself continued embarrassment and not come back to these boards..
Hahahahaha. I've literally ass-raped you since we've argued, and your rectum must be pretty close to falling out by now. 😆
Here it is again, you drooling Retard:
Originally posted by Rookwood
- Anakin in his regular body, had a fully-functioning and healthy system of MidiChlorians in his bloodstream, not to mention a perfectly healthy circulatory-system and lungs. Add to the fact that he wasn't weighed down by hundreds of Lbs yet of armor and mechanics, and this meant his body could gyrate, bend and move with normal speed - with only a slight lessening of dexterity in the mechanical hand.- Then when he became Vader, a large amount of MidiChlorians were destroyed at the cellular-level in his body, lessening his grasp on the Force - his circulatory-system, responsible for carrying oxygen-filled blood to the burned and now-damaged muscles in his body, needed for movement, were very badly damaged and effected his performance. His lungs were horribly damaged, so that again, oxygen-rich blood, needed to sustain his ravaged muscles, were affected and performance decreased. Adding to this the acquisition of armor and added mechanics that further weighed down his damaged, ravaged fleshly-core, which already biologically-weakened all the time.
So yes, the rather significant difference in his early and later state, mark the rather obvious decline in his overall-performance, that would be obvious to you, if you weren't an Imbecile.
😎 😆
Enough of that debate, it is clear that Vader is extremely limited in speed compared to RotS Anakin, since his prosthetic limbs and his armor weren't as flexible as biological limbs. His armor was extremely heavy, and because he still had a biological torso, he needed to keep the weight that wasn't supported by his prosthetics off of his damaged body in order to move at the speed that he did.
He also was holding back in his duel with Luke because he didn't want to kill his son, he wanted to turn him to the dark side.
Also, I am pretty sure GL said that Vader's armor was so heavy that he needed to use the force constantly to move normally.
Originally posted by Rookwood
😛 This coming from the Idiot, who only later, realized Yoda was indeed rusty before the onset of the Clone Wars.
I don't think he was rusty. Again more BS you've made up. Your arguments would be convincing if we took your BS as a canon source.
Originally posted by Rookwood
And also is too stupid to understand the concept of "Power Progression". 😆
Yeah a 900 year old master suddenly progressed in 3 years for no apparent reason. He didn't even go on many missions during the war.
And yet you would have us believe his Force TK multiplied in power by a factor of at least 10.
You are Retarded.
Originally posted by Rookwood
Lord Lucien would disagree with all of this. 😛
If Lord Lucien wants to argue the point he's welcome to. At least I wouldn't arguing with a retard in that argument.
LL talks about the ROTJ novel since which Lucas has clearly changed his mind about a lot of things.
He says in the ROTJ audio commentary that Luke wasn't trained well enough to defeat Vader.
Originally posted by Rookwood
Here it is again, you drooling Retard:
And your still ignoring the question. Did Anakin's Cyborg arm weigh him down??
Ignore it, and ignore Lucas's own words.
Originally posted by jmoul
Enough of that debate, it is clear that Vader is extremely limited in speed compared to RotS Anakin, since his prosthetic limbs and his armor weren't as flexible as biological limbs. His armor was extremely heavy, and because he still had a biological torso, he needed to keep the weight that wasn't supported by his prosthetics off of his damaged body in order to move at the speed that he did.Also, I am pretty sure GL said that Vader's armor was so heavy that he needed to use the force constantly to move normally.
You are correct, Sir. 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't think he was rusty.
Hahahahahahaha.
Well that's great - but either that means suddenly you think your own viewpoint trumps Canon - or you've apparently forgotten back when Nephthys pointed out to you that Yoda was indeed rusty - and then in your Retardation, you acted like it was some sort of an after-thought - when in reality, it was a crucial detail; no true expert in Jedi and Sith Lore could overlook.
You seem to pretty forgetful with this particular detail, don't you?
😆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah a 900 year old master suddenly progressed in 3 years for no apparent reason - I mean it's not like there was a Galaxy-wide War going on or anything. He just kind of did nothing, and somehow got more powerful..I need more baby food..
He didn't even go on many missions during the war.
He fought on many worlds -
Off the top of my head:
Kashyyyk
Ilum
Vjun
Axion
Thustra
Rugosa
Coruscant
Bpfasshi
And considering his duels and encounters with multiple Dark siders, as well as other adversaries during his travels - it doesn't surprise me that his strength and ability in the Force became greatly focused.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And yet you would have us believe his Force TK multiplied in power by a factor of at least 10.
Hmm - going from being able to lift up a durasteel pillar - to being able to manhandle multiple massive CIS Landing-Craft all at once?
Yeah, I'd call that a fairly dramatic leap in power.
You've never seen Clone Wars?
Or is this just your way of telling everyone that you want more baby food?
You know you can go out and buy that stuff yourself - provided you can walk on your own/drive a car. 🙄
Don't tell me you aren't even allowed to cross your own street by yourself, yet..
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I am Retarded.
And you have my sympathies. It can't be easy to live with Cerebral Palsy.
The fact that you survived birth, is alone, a miracle. 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If Lord Lucien wants to argue the point he's welcome to. At least I a retard in that argument.LL talks about the ROTJ novel since which Lucas has clearly changed his mind about a lot of things.
He says in the ROTJ audio commentary that Luke wasn't trained well enough to defeat Vader.
Hahaha. Yeah, I'm sure Vader let his boy win. 😛
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And your still ignoring the question. Did Anakin's Cyborg arm weigh him down??Ignore it, and ignore Lucas's own words.
What does that have to do with Vader's mechanics and armor weighing him down? 😉
Originally posted by Rookwood
Hahahahahahaha.Well that's great - but either that means suddenly you think your own viewpoint trumps Canon -
This is laughable coming from you. You continually ignore canon. In fact your doing so right now with this whole "Vader is damn slow" bull crap.
Originally posted by Rookwood
or you've apparently forgotten back when Nephthys pointed out to you that Yoda was indeed rusty
Nephthys pointing something out is not canon either unless he back it up with a canon source.
Originally posted by Rookwood
- and then in your Retardation, you acted like it was some sort of an after-thought - when in reality, it was a crucial detail; no true expert in Jedi and Sith Lore could overlook.
Well then it won't be difficult for you to prove, since your such an expert.
Oh wait? Did I just ask you for proof?! About as much chance of getting proof from you as there was of finding WMD's in Iraq.
Originally posted by Rookwood
[B]You seem to pretty forgetful with this particular detail, don't you?
I remember just fine. And I remember your retarded argument of how Yoda obviously improved because he went from stuggling catching a crane to moving Landing Crafts. HAHAHAHAHA..
Yes Rockwood, Yoda's TK became 100 times more powerful out of nowhere!
😆
Originally posted by Rookwood
[B]He fought on many worlds -Off the top of my head:
Kashyyyk
Ilum
Vjun
Axion
Thustra
Rugosa
Coruscant
Bpfasshi
Wow 8 fights?? Yeah at the age of 900 he MUST have become 100 times more powerful after 8 MORE FIGHTS!
Kashyyk and Coruscant were right at the end of the CW where your claiming he already had a huge power boost (LOL). I know about Ilum and Vjun. Your going to have to quote me the sources of the other worlds he fought in.
Originally posted by Rookwood
[B]Hmm - going from being able to lift up a durasteel pillar - to being able to manhandle multiple massive CIS Landing-Craft all at once?
HAHAHAHA
Your actually making that same point again! Jeez you are beyond retarded! Multiple landing crafts are like what 100 times heavier than a pillar!
So your actually claiming Yoda became 100'S of times more powerful just in the use of his Force TK.
Rockwood your a complete TOOL! And you've shown yourself for what a retard you really are!
Originally posted by Rookwood
[B]You've never seen Clone Wars?
Yep the original toon and the more canon current series which is more in line with the movies. You know.. The one you ignore. But ignoring canon isn't a new concept for you.
Originally posted by Rookwood
Hahaha. Yeah, I'm sure Vader let his boy win. 😛
I'm sure Lucas's assessment of their abilities is > yours.
Originally posted by Rookwood
What does that have to do with Vader's mechanics and armor weighing him down? 😉
Because he had great mechanical strength to carry the load genius.
Same way Grievous does it, and still moves at incredible speeds.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
This is laughable coming from you. You continually ignore canon. In fact your doing so right now with this whole "Vader is damn slow" bull crap.
Hahahahahaha. I'm seeing so much PMS on this post.
Vader is damn slow, and to state otherwise is to ignore Canon. 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nephthys pointing something out is not canon either unless he back it up with a canon source.
That's not what you said last time - you agreed with him; so the matter was settled.
Unless now you're changing your mind? 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well then it won't be difficult for you to prove, since your such an expert.Oh wait? Did I just ask you for proof?! About as much chance of getting proof from you as there was of finding WMD's in Iraq.
You mean you don't know enough about Yoda, to know he was rusty ? 😆
And so now you've changed your mind on agreeing with it, now?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I remember just fine. And I remember your retarded argument of how Yoda obviously improved because he went from stuggling catching a crane to moving Landing Crafts. HAHAHAHAHA..Yes Rockwood, Yoda's TK became 100 times more powerful out of nowhere!
"Stuggling", what is "stuggling"? 😛 Your baby-gibberish is cute.
Mhm, that's right, 'Tard. As you can see
YouTube video
1:25 -1:55
You've never seen Clone Wars, have you? 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wow 8 fights?? Yeah at the age of 900 he MUST have become 100 times more powerful after 8 MORE FIGHTS!8 mor FIGHTS! Like wen da rebel allience wen to endor an had a FIGHT wit da empire!
Hahahahahahaha. So let me get this straight, every time there was a massive battle in either trilogy, it was just a "FIGHT"?
So, at Endor, where hundreds of people fought each other, that was a "FIGHT"?
Same on Hoth and Naboo? 😆
You ****ing Retard. 😛 Hahahahahahahahaha.
In retard-ese war must equal one big FIGHT.
Yeah, but Yoda fought multiple opponents on most of those worlds, and gained more experience from a Galaxy-Wide war, that he had never had experience fighting in before.
And also focused his swordsmanship and abilities. But hey, that's "Power-Progression" - or in your language - "FIGHT"
LOL. 😛
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I know about Ilum and Vjun. Your going to have to quote me the sources of the other worlds he fought in.
You mean you only know about two planets Yoda fought on? 😆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
EEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHYour actually making that same point again! Jeez you are beyond FIGHTS! Multiple landing crafts are like what 100 times heavier than a pillar!
So your actually claiming Yoda became 100'S of times more powerful just in the use of his Force TK.
Rockwood your a complete FIGHTS! And you've shown yourself for what a FIGHTS you really are!
Damn, so many FIGHTS in Star Wars. 😛
Yep, Yoda went from Canonically being able to lift a durasteel pillar with much strain - to being able to manhandle massive CIS Carriers.
Unless of course you want to pretend Canon is wrong. 😉
But yes, to be able to do that, takes much strength in the Force in a general way, and Yoda after much experience fighting in a Galaxy-Wide War he had never fought in the likes of before, he gained much experience and focusing of power, as a result.
And if you weren't such a water-headed Noob, you'd know that. 😉
Now finish your mashed carrots, before your Mother/Care-Taker scolds you.
You do want to go play out in the yard after dinner, right? 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yep the original toon and the more canon current series which is more in line with the movies. You know.. The one you ignore. But ignoring canon isn't a new concept for you.
It's all Canon, my mentally-challenged friend. 😉
But that's okay - go crawl into your crib, and get rocked to sleep by your mother - because tomorrow, you're going to go to Pre-school classes (Adult Day Care) and show everyone there your star wars action figures.
Whoops, did I say "war"? I meant FIGHTS. Star FIGHTS.
Considering how one day, the Cerebral-Fluid in your massive head will overtake your tiny brain and fragile skull - every day of life is like a gift from above.
😆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm sure Lucas's assessment of their abilities is > yours.
Not likely, because I agree with him. 😉
Originally posted by El Retard
Because he had great mechanical strength to carry the load
He had a damaged fleshly-torso, whose lungs had been ravaged by fire and soot and all but inoperable; most of his skin was dead, and he had lost a great majority of Midichlorians from being damaged at the cellular-level.
His fleshly core was all but dying; physically-weak and ravaged - and was forced to support heavy mechanical parts - and over that, heavier body armor, that constricted his movement, and required him to call upon the Force, just to move conventionally.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Same way Grievous does it,
The core of Grievous on the other hand, was not weakened, dying flesh - but metal.
Unlike Vader, Grievous had the type of core that could unyieldingly support a massive frame of mechanics sustainably under it's own a power - and also move quickly with limbs and a body that could gyrate and bend easily.
Unlike Vader, under it's own power, Grievous' body was built to move with incredible speed, in an easily sustained-fashion.
- That's the difference between the guy clambering around in a heavy life-support-system - and the guy who could perform 26 swings per-second.
You should watch the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy sometime - they're good trilogies. 😎