Originally posted by juggerman
1 Jesus man! Plz actually go back and look at what was written before responding. I said YOU are going against what ppl actually did on screen not you are against ppl using on screen evidence in an argument. You speak a lot about reading comprehension but it's pretty clear you have none. Probably don't even know what it means.2 I did. Did you get mine?
3 There was no need outside of battle since she gave them the head's up beforehand. Here she can't do that since that would be prep. The instance we do have of her doing it at the start of a battle is BD2 which she let them know what she could right away. Here she'll be right next to them so she'll be able to relay more.... is it really that hard to follow?
4 Right so they will attack like morons to give your boy the win. Great point. 👆
5 Based on ppl's decisions yes. Also on some decisions they WILL make. As in: After they realise Jane's powers don't work they would decide to attack him. Alice would see this DECISION before it is made just like she did with Jasper attacking Bella. Just like when she let Aro see her mind in New Moon she saw that letting Aro she her mind would make Aro let them go even tho Aro himself hadn't come to that decision himself yet so fail again. She can see decisions made before they are actually made buddy confirmed in the books.
Remember how far Alice kicked Aro? That was a weird kick without much leverage. Imagine how much farther she could throw a person. Or a vamp much stronger than her like Emmet. Possibly far enough for a BFR. Maybe maybe not. Then we have that one Volturi member who seemed like he wanted to die. If anything he could pick shaw up and run him a few miles away before Shaw exploded him. One down still a BFR
1. I will admit, I misinterpretted your meaning here due to the misplaced " in your reply. I read is as going against on screen proof of how people are responding to me. /shrug oh well, I can admit if I made a mistake.
2. Your comment was made in reply to mine. But since I misinterpretted your comment above. I'll give you the courtesy of correcting your misinterpretation of this statement of mine.
This ISN'T about Aro's control of his vampires. It's about Aro himself. Where was it ever stated that he waited to assault other opponents that he's already decided to attack? If Alice didn't approach him in BD2, what indication was there that he'd pause and wait like you want him to? Hell, her entire vision was about Aro not listening to her at the time w/c onky changed when he DID listen to her.
3. You're making things up now. She never gave anyone a head's up about minute battle details in Eclipse just that the newborns are coming/have arrived and that was before the battle started and she only gave Aro a vision of the future to persuade him not to fight and that was before the battle started, too. Neither was not a second-to-second tactical info like you're trying to pass off would happen here. The only thing she'll see are people blowing up and it's arguable if she'll get a warning out in time before the first stike happens.
4. Why is attacking what seems like an easy single target "fighting like a moron?". In any tactical sense, when fighting an unknown opponent, fast, overwhelming force is the proper approach. You don't give an opponent time to get off the first attack by waiting it out and thinking about what to do. You try to speedblitz your opponent and bring them down as fast as possible. At the very least, you'd send in a skirmisher group to keep your opponent busy and to get his measure while you figure out a means to take them down.
The funny thing is, if this was Phoenix, Iron Man, Magneto, Prof X, Thor, Hulk or anyone else that needs just a moment to devestate their ranks, speedblitizing would be the only hope they have and the best way to approach the fight and if I even suggested that they'd spend precious seconds "waiting for Alice and Edward" to figure it out, you'd prolly be bitching about them "fighting stupid" then, too.
You're blinded with your bias and you try to make team go in with the perfect approach based on your external insight on how Shaw's power works and try to pass it off as their standard approach to combat even tho on screen proof and basic logic says otherwise just to make your boy Ed win. Get your head out of his nipples and think about that for a little please.
5. We don't have insight on what Jasper was thinking in Twilight so you can't prove what his decision was at the time he met Bella and if Alice's word changed anything or only reassured it. In New Moon, we don't have insight on Aro's mind at the time and you can't prove if it was based or not on what Aro was already thinking at the time (it can be argued due to his fascination, he was leaning towards letting them go and Alice showing him her visions would make sure of that). We can't use book descriptions here remember? You know what contradicts your statements? And you know what actually explains how her powers work? On screen proof:
Excerpt from Twilight movie.
Bella: Edward said the visions weren't always certain.
Jasper: Uh, she sees the course the people are on while they are on it. They changed their minds, the visions change.
Sooo debunked, debunked, debunked and mega in-your-face debunked. Owch for you.
6. Unless she throws Shaw so far that he can't come back (tens of miles), it's not BFR. And he'd just come back freakin powered up and pissed off, too. And at that point, they'd be unable to move him.
Wouldn't work. The second a vamp touches him at their speeds (w/c is what the vamps operate in). He gets charged up, and all he needs to do is touch the vampire anywhere and boom! Won't get him farther than a hunepred or so feet at most. Once Shaw hits the ground at those speeds, guess what? Autocharged.
Nope. Neither would work and both would require considerable insight of how Shaw's powers work. And pardon me if I don't believe a trial-and-error usage of Alice's power would give this to them. And you've never really proven that Alice could pull this off anyway.