Originally posted by h1a8
Bad logic.
Originally posted by h1a8
It could be gravity that triggers the enchantment to not be used.
Originally posted by h1a8Writers can do this. They have the power. No contradiction anywhere. Or maybe the powers are activated once someone is holding it.
Maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe. The basis of your argument is so strong I'm sweating just to reply.
I'm gonna say that the reason Red Hulk lifted it was due to abstract level power that was given to him by the TOAA to specifically lift Mjolnir and use its powers. Find a scan somewhere that contradicts it or its true.
Originally posted by h1a8
No, only in the fictional word Pr. Not in reality.
We just can't make stuff up right?
If I make a claim then I must show evidence supporting it. Isn't that forum rules?
My claim isn't ACCEPTED as true if there is no evidence anywhere to support it. Evidence can be in many forms.Remember we are debating fictional things. (this stuff never happened)
You are 100% right when it comes to reality though. Something not known doesn't mean it isn't true. But it doesn't mean it is true either.This is a big misunderstanding. You are not seeing what I am talking about. My word choice is sometimes poor but I know what I mean. Just can't explain it correctly. I didn't mean the negative is true but rather it shouldn't be accepted as true, in the fictional universe.
Sounds like you're making stuff up yourself, tbh.
Originally posted by Silent Master
As I don't have access to my collection at this time, I can only bring up Thor teleporting, but if he can still mentally activate that ability, why would he lose the ability to summon Mjolnir?
He wouldn't. I'm just trying to nail this down so we can move on.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Sounds like you're making stuff up yourself, tbh.He wouldn't. I'm just trying to nail this down so we can move on.
I'm not making anything up. The writer is. I'm just giving plausible explanations of how it works to prove there is no contradiction. My explanations don't have to be true to make my point. My point is that we don't have contradictions since the circumstances are different.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not making anything up. The writer is. I'm just giving plausible explanations of how it works to prove there is no contradiction. My explanations don't have to be true to make my point. My point is that we don't have contradictions since the circumstances are different.
I got what you meant, I just don't agree.
Not every showing is valid.
Originally posted by Damborgson
You would know.Could be? Unshakeable logic. Not like my flimsy past occurrences and common sense.
Maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe. The basis of your argument is so strong I'm sweating just to reply.
I'm gonna say that the reason Red Hulk lifted it was due to abstract level power that was given to him by the TOAA to specifically lift Mjolnir and use its powers. Find a scan somewhere that contradicts it or its true.
The reason doesn't matter as long as it doesn't contradict the history of comics.
That's all that matters.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe Black Panther has anti Surfer tech built into his suit - do you have any proof from subsequent encounters, that Black Panther is in fact, weaker than Surfer? Or is there, in fact, only one encounter between them, where Panther won?
If the writer want that to be the reason then it is so. He has the power not me. As long as it doesn't contradict the history of the characters.
Originally posted by h1a8
The reason doesn't matter as long as it doesn't contradict the history of comics.
That's all that matters.If the writer want that to be the reason then it is so. He has the power not me. As long as it doesn't contradict the history of the characters.
It's PIS that's why it does matter and why the showing is invalid.
He has the power to write the story and to do what he wants. Doesn't mean it'll be taken seriously or that it's valid.
You can't even respond to anything I say anymore.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He wouldn't. I'm just trying to nail this down so we can move on.
Ah, fair enough.
Although even if we could list a 15 different examples of Thor/Odin using their powers, he'll just move to a different argument about why Mjolnir either can't be used or wouldn't be useful in the thread; seeing as he's already tried banning it, saying it's not standard equipment, saying that it'd actually make the Destroyer weaker and that Thor loses the ability to summon it while animating the armor.
Originally posted by Damborgson
It's PIS that's why it does matter and why the showing is invalid.He has the power to write the story and to do what he wants. Doesn't mean it'll be taken seriously or that it's valid.
You can't even respond to anything I say anymore.
PIS implies going against the history as a whole or majority. I don't see how Mjolnir being used in zero gravity contradicts history.
True, it's not valid if it goes against comics for the majority. But I don't see how that feat does that. Now if there is a showing where someone failed to use Mjolnir's power in zero gravity then you would be right.
Originally posted by h1a8
PIS implies going against the history as a whole or majority. I don't see how Mjolnir being used in zero gravity contradicts history.True, it's not valid if it goes against comics for the majority. But I don't see how that feat does that.
PIS is plt induced stupidity. And that most certainly was. I already told you why.
It would allow Rulk to do something a skyfather couldn't. Who has specific power attuned to Mjolnir.
I know you can see this. Keep trolling though brutha 👆
Originally posted by Silent MasterOf course I won't. I'm not ignoring on panel proof unless it's PIS. If there is any evidence supporting that a person can use their own power while being completely inside the Destroyer then I'll accept it. Promise! 🙂
Ah, fair enough.Although even if we could list a 15 different examples of Thor/Odin using their powers, he'll just move to a different argument about why Mjolnir either can't be used or wouldn't be useful in the thread; seeing as he's already tried banning it, saying it's not standard equipment, saying that it'd actually make the Destroyer weaker and that Thor loses the ability to summon it while animating the armor.
Mjolnir can be used to bfr DD which would be an easy win. I don't mind accepting that DD loses to bfr. Doesn't bother me one bit.
Originally posted by Damborgson
PIS is plt induced stupidity. And that most certainly was. I already told you why.It would allow Rulk to do something a skyfather couldn't. Who has specific power attuned to Mjolnir.
I know you can see this. Keep trolling though brutha 👆
Was there a skyfather that couldn't use Mjolnir in zero gravity? If so then you are right, it is PIS. Till then there is no contradictions with history here. Just different circumstances.
Powers are activated by lifting the hammer
Only the worthy can lift the hammer.
Simple as pie really.
Originally posted by h1a8
Of course I won't. I'm not ignoring on panel proof unless it's PIS. If there is any evidence supporting that a person can use their own power while being completely inside the Destroyer then I'll accept it. Promise! 🙂
Ok, given your last few posts...this was actually funny.
Originally posted by h1a8
Was there a skyfather that couldn't use Mjolnir in zero gravity? If so then you are right, it is PIS. Till then there is no contradictions with history here. Just different circumstances.Powers are activated by lifting the hammer
Only the worthy can lift the hammer.
Simple as pie really.
Ok I'm going to make this simpler, since you know you're wrong and I know you're wrong, I'll just say it. YOU ARE WRONG. YOU'VE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. REPEATING THE SAME FLAWED ARGUMENT CONTINUES TO BE WRONG. So come up with something new or you're still wrong.
Originally posted by h1a8
Powers are activated by lifting the hammer
Only the worthy can lift the hammer.
Simple as pie really.
Nope. Lifting the hammer does not make you worthy of its powers. I told you this before and I'm telling you again.
Ironman could lift the hammer, but was not worthy of it. That's how it is with Red Hulk. He could have lifted it, not used it.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Ok I'm going to make this simpler, since you know you're wrong and I know you're wrong, I'll just say it. YOU ARE WRONG. YOU'VE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. REPEATING THE SAME FLAWED ARGUMENT CONTINUES TO BE WRONG. So come up with something new or you're still wrong.Nope. Lifting the hammer does not make you worthy of its powers. I told you this before and I'm telling you again.
Ironman could lift the hammer, but was not worthy of it. That's how it is with Red Hulk. He could have lifted it, not used it.
You basically are confirming my argument. We both agree that it could be lifted as shown above. But Iron Man didn't even try to use it's powers. The moment gravity existed then Mjolnir became unliftable (thus unusable).
Originally posted by h1a8
You basically are confirming my argument. We both agree that it could be lifted as shown above. But Iron Man didn't even try to use it's powers. The moment gravity existed then Mjolnir became unliftable (thus unusable).
No I'm not. 😂
this is what you're saying:
Originally posted by h1a8
Powers are activated by lifting the hammer
Only the worthy can lift the hammer.
I just told you why that's not true. It's not if you lift it you're worthy. It's if you're worthy you lift it. Ironman was not, Red Hulk was not, they shouldn't be able to use the powers. So PIS.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Ah, fair enough.Although even if we could list a 15 different examples of Thor/Odin using their powers, he'll just move to a different argument about why Mjolnir either can't be used or wouldn't be useful in the thread; seeing as he's already tried banning it, saying it's not standard equipment, saying that it'd actually make the Destroyer weaker and that Thor loses the ability to summon it while animating the armor.
How about you give me those examples so I can make a mod ruling? Preferably with some scans?