HP Doomsday vs Destroyer

Started by DarkSaint8529 pages
Originally posted by h1a8
You basically are confirming my argument. We both agree that it could be lifted as shown above. But Iron Man didn't even try to use it's powers. The moment gravity existed then Mjolnir became unliftable (thus unusable).

Zeus held it, and was unable to override its enchantments. Same with the Destroyer.

Merely being able to lift it does not equal you being its master.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zeus held it, and was unable to override its enchantments.

Cool! So he couldn't use Mjolnir's abilities. What comic is this?

Avengers Annual 19.

He held it, and tried to prevent it from returning to Thor. But he couldn't stop it flying out of his mighty hands, and flying back to Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
How about you give me those examples so I can make a mod ruling? Preferably with some scans?

Without access to my collection, the only one I can remember is Thor teleporting and that scan has already been posted...Jake or some of the other Thor/Destroyer fans might be able to list other examples.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Without access to my collection, the only one I can remember is Thor teleporting and that scan has already been posted...Jake or some of the other Thor/Destroyer fans might be able to list other examples.

Ah okay. Summoning Mjolnir is a pretty minor power for Thor, so If I can see him doing more complicated things, then summoning the hammer shouldn't be an issue.

It still can be an issue since we don't if Destroyer can summon the hammer without first lifting it. Doing complicated things after holding it =/= being able to summon something that was never held. Thor's body is not in the Destroyer. It is not even around.

Originally posted by h1a8
It still can be an issue since we don't if Destroyer can summon the hammer without first lifting it. Doing complicated things after holding it =/= being able to summon something that was never held. Thor's body is not in the Destroyer. It is not even around.

When has a non-powered person ever been able to use Mjolnir's powers while in the Destroyer armor?

Originally posted by h1a8
It still can be an issue since we don't if Destroyer can summon the hammer without first lifting it. Doing complicated things after holding it =/= being able to summon something that was never held. Thor's body is not in the Destroyer. It is not even around.

You're reaching a little, tbh.

Who says it has to go to Thor's body?

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're reaching a little, tbh.

Who says it has to go to Thor's body?

Him using that argument is funny, seeing as his argument for Odin summoning Mjolnir to the Destroyer was that Odin wasn't in the armor yet.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're reaching a little, tbh.

Who says it has to go to Thor's body?

I'm not trying to reach, tbh.
What is 'it'? You said, "Who says it has to go to Thor's body?"

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not trying to reach, tbh.
What is 'it'? You said, "Who says [b]it
has to go to Thor's body?" [/B]

Huh? The hammer, obviously.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Huh? The hammer, obviously.

Still don't quite understand. I'll try to guess what you mean though.
Who says the hammer has to go to Thor's body?
I guess that means who says that Destroyer can't get the hammer from jump street without having to summon it?

If that is the case then it's an issue with standard equipment. In all the threads dealing with characters switching bodies or another character is inside another's body then standard equipment goes to the body and not the inside man.
For example, WW in Thanos body doesn't get the lasso or bracers.
Who's body determines standard equipment.

I'm actually shocked the OP created a thread he doesn't participate in. He can decide Mjolnir easily. I tried pming him to make a decision.
I guess it was a sock account or something. shrugs.

The Wonder Woman and Thanos example isn't quite the same thing, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Wonder Woman and Thanos example isn't quite the same thing, though.
Why not? Different bodies. Thor doesn't get his body here. Just his mind and decision making.

Oh there been other threads of Destroyer being animated by various characters. We never used those other character's standard equipment.

Tbh, Silent, Jake, DarkOdin want Destroyer to get Mjolnir so that it can be for sure a stomp in Thor's favor. They are afraid to argue without it since they know my argument is pretty strong and hard to contest.

Think about it. They already think it's a stomp, yet want it to be a bigger stomp. Don't something smells bias around here? Where are their spirit of debate and objectivity?
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The only time Thor's been in the destroyer, he's had Mjolnir. Why would he not get his standard weapon here?

Originally posted by h1a8
Why not? Different bodies. Thor doesn't get his body here. Just his mind and decision making.

Oh there been other threads of Destroyer being animated by various characters. We never used those other character's standard equipment.

Tbh, Silent, Jake, DarkOdin want Destroyer to get Mjolnir so that it can be for sure a stomp in Thor's favor. They are afraid to argue without it since they know my argument is pretty strong and hard to contest.

Think about it. They already think it's a stomp, yet want it to be a bigger stomp. Don't something smells bias around here? Where are their spirit of debate and objectivity?
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Because it's the destroyer. It's a completely unique construct in that it's designed with the ability to mimic and use the powers of the person animating it.

If Wonder Woman was in the destroyer, i'm sure it could use the lasso too, as stupid as that might seem.

So you want me to side with you just because you don't like the idea of Doomsday losing?

Surely, objectively, if you think someone wins a large amount of the majority (8/10 or 9/10), its not biased to think that giving that someone even more power....makes them win even more?

Originally posted by Damborgson
The only time Thor's been in the destroyer, he's had Mjolnir. Why would he not get his standard weapon here?

Because h1a8 doesn't want Thor to win.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why not? Different bodies. Thor doesn't get his body here. Just his mind and decision making.

Oh there been other threads of Destroyer being animated by various characters. We never used those other character's standard equipment.

Tbh, Silent, Jake, DarkOdin want Destroyer to get Mjolnir so that it can be for sure a stomp in Thor's favor. They are afraid to argue without it since they know my argument is pretty strong and hard to contest.

Think about it. They already think it's a stomp, yet want it to be a bigger stomp. Don't something smells bias around here? Where are their spirit of debate and objectivity?
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Lmao.

So, you legitimately think that there's this concentrated movement by Silent Master, DarkOdin, and myself to get the Destroyer Armor to be able to call upon/summon Mjolnir to turn this one sided thread into an even bigger stomp?

And you - you of all people - want to throw around words like "bias" and "objectivity"?

Gentlemen, I believe we've all been trolled.

Seriously, we have on panel proof of Odin summoning Mjolnir while occupying the Destroyer Armor. Ergo, the Odin Force can still be used and invoked while occupying the armor. And no, no one's trying to argue desperately for the DA having Mjolnir because we're "scared" of arguing without it. It's a valid option considering Thor on his own can summon the hammer as its a mental/spiritual link, not a physical power of his own in addition to the fact that King Thor is also boasting the Odin Force on his own.

Your argument is essentially ignoring these facts and in the same breath arguing that HP Doomsday could damage the Destroyer Armor because of the ease in which he injured Superman. Yeaaaaah, no, hurting Superman, even badly, in no way means you can automatically damage something like Mjolnir or thee even more fortified Destroyer Armor.

But, no, the people arguing against you are the bad guys and biased, even though you're the lone, stubborn, misinformed poster who keeps arguing for Doomsday and then gets mad that if King Thor wanted or needed to - he doesn't - he could summon Mjolnir due to his connection with the Odin Force, which ultimately trumps both the hammer and the armor.

Kudos, to the trolling, though. I can appreciate a good one. 👆