HP Doomsday vs Destroyer

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because it's the destroyer. It's a completely unique construct in that it's designed with the ability to mimic and use the powers of the person animating it.

If Wonder Woman was in the destroyer, i'm sure it could use the lasso too, as stupid as that might seem.

So you want me to side with you just because you don't like the idea of Doomsday losing?

It's not that I just don't won't DD to lose (I don't though tbh) but I want to debate a good fight. It's rare to have a good debate these days.

King Thor animating Destroyer against HP DD is a good debate.
King Thor with Mjolnir in Destroyer vs. HP DD is not a good debate and should be closed. Thor could simply bfr DD right away or do some other funky stuff to DD. What's the debate really? I'm just trying to have a halfway reasonable debate where both sides have a chance to win.

Jake, Silent, DarkOdin, and some others already think Destroyer can beat HP DD without Mjolnir in a super stomp. So taking away Mjolnir doesn't really hurt them in their eyes. So let's see if they can debate the fight well then. Giving Destroyer Mjolnir causes DD to lose in spite IMO and no one would argue the thread at all. It should be closed right away as HP DD has no chance.
I'm trying to be honest as I can and let the chips fall where they may.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say Destroyer couldn't use other character's equipment. I say he doesn't get them. When character's fight in different bodies they don't automatically get their standard equipment. That would change literally dozens of threads.

It's not that I just don't won't DD to lose (I don't though tbh) but I want to debate a good fight. It's rare to have a good debate these days.

King Thor animating Destroyer against HP DD is a good debate.
King Thor with Mjolnir in Destroyer vs. HP DD is not a good debate and should be closed. Thor could simply bfr DD right away or do some other funky stuff to DD. What's the debate really? I'm just trying to have a halfway reasonable debate where both sides have a chance to win.

Jake, Silent, DarkOdin, and some others already think Destroyer can beat HP DD without Mjolnir in a super stomp. So taking away Mjolnir doesn't really hurt them in their eyes. So let's see if they can debate the fight well then. Giving Destroyer Mjolnir causes DD to lose in spite IMO and no one would argue the thread at all. It should be closed right away as HP DD has no chance.
I'm trying to be honest as I can and let the chips fall where they may.

So it comes down to you not thinking that Thor should have Mjolnir while animating the Destroyer, whether he can summon it or not?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lmao.

So, you legitimately think that there's this concentrated movement by Silent Master, DarkOdin, and myself to get the Destroyer Armor to be able to call upon/summon Mjolnir to turn this one sided thread into an even bigger stomp?

And you - you of all people - want to throw around words like "bias" and "objectivity"?

Gentlemen, I believe we've all been trolled.

Seriously, we have on panel proof of Odin summoning Mjolnir while occupying the Destroyer Armor. Ergo, the Odin Force can still be used and invoked while occupying the armor. And no, no one's trying to argue desperately for the DA having Mjolnir because we're "scared" of arguing without it. It's a valid option considering Thor on his own can summon the hammer as its a mental/spiritual link, not a physical power of his own in addition to the fact that King Thor is also boasting the Odin Force on his own.

Your argument is essentially ignoring these facts and in the same breath arguing that HP Doomsday could damage the Destroyer Armor because of the ease in which he injured Superman. Yeaaaaah, no, hurting Superman, even badly, in no way means you can automatically damage something like Mjolnir or thee even more fortified Destroyer Armor.

But, no, the people arguing against you are the bad guys and biased, even though you're the lone, stubborn, misinformed poster who keeps arguing for Doomsday and then gets mad that if King Thor wanted or needed to - he doesn't - he could summon Mjolnir due to his connection with the Odin Force, which ultimately trumps both the hammer and the armor.

Kudos, to the trolling, though. I can appreciate a good one. 👆

Jake you are wrong. There is no clear cut evidence that Destroyer is able to summon Mjolnir. We never seen it happen in comics. Power was coming from Odin's body AFTER Mjolnir left Thor's hand (not before). If Odin was 100% in Destroyer's body then why the hell we power coming from Odin's body after the hammer was summoned? You can't explain that away easily.

To be honest, you and the others said it was spite without Mjolnir from jumpstreet. Why do you want a bigger stomp? In the spirit of debate don't run from a challenge. Man up! We are debaters (warriors of logic) and not cowards. I admit honestly DD loses if Destroyer has Mjolnir. Can you at least be honest and say DD wins if he doesn't have it. Or if you disagree then let's debate about it. Why try to turn a perfectly good debate into a closed discussion? You are better than that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because h1a8 doesn't want Thor to win.

Does that mean you think DD can win without Destroyer having Mjolnir?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surely, objectively, if you think someone wins a large amount of the majority (8/10 or 9/10), its not biased to think that giving that someone even more power....makes them win even more?

That's what I'm saying. They are bias.They already think it's a stomp without Mjolnir (or they are lying through their fracking teeth and scared shitless of DD beating their precious Thor). So why are they fighting for it? If you think something is already is a stomp then debate. Why want more power?

Because sometimes its fun to step on ants?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So it comes down to you not thinking that Thor should have Mjolnir while animating the Destroyer, whether he can summon it or not?

If he can summon it then I would have conceded long ago tbh.
To be honest, I don't think Destroyer can summon Mjolnir.
If I did or if there were any concrete evidence towards it then I wouldn't argue against it.

I would love to debate Destroyer vs. HP DD. So if not here then perhaps another thread? IMO, I obtained a victory kind of. I convinced all the others that HP DD can beat the Destroyer. This is because of their fight for Mjolnir. Although I hope you decide to disallow Mjolnir because of no clear evidence, either decision you make is fine with me.

So to everyone I say this

Destroyer with Mjolnir and it's abilities goes to Destroyer
Destroyer without Mjolnir goes to HP DD. If anyone disagrees are free to debate with me. That's if you are not chicken. I'm just the VulcanData, nothing to fear.

Originally posted by h1a8
If he can summon it then I would have conceded long ago tbh.
To be honest, I don't think Destroyer can summon Mjolnir.
If I did or if there were any concrete evidence towards it then I wouldn't argue against it.

I would love to debate Destroyer vs. HP DD. So if not here then perhaps another thread? IMO, I obtained a victory kind of. I convinced all the others that HP DD can beat the Destroyer. This is because of their fight for Mjolnir. Although I hope you decide to disallow Mjolnir because of no clear evidence, either decision you make is fine with me.

So to everyone I say this

Destroyer with Mjolnir and it's abilities goes to Destroyer
Destroyer without Mjolnir goes to HP DD. If anyone disagrees are free to debate with me. That's if you are not chicken. I'm just the VulcanData, nothing to fear.

Please, don't make veiled comments about others. That isn't going to go down with me or anyone else.

What's wrong with this thread?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Please, don't make veiled comments about others. That isn't going to go down with me or anyone else.

What's wrong with this thread?

Nothing wrong with it. With Mjolnir Destroyer wins by bfr or some exotic means. Without then a good fight.

Lastly, my comments weren't veiled. I meant what I said and I wasn't hiding anything or holding anything back. But understood.

I wish you would be that way when so many others insult me and make veiled and direct negative comments about me on a consistent basis. They do it everyday tbh.

Do you report them?

And in some cases, tbh, there is an element of "bringing it on one's self". Not always, but sometimes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Do you report them?

And in some cases, tbh, there is an element of "bringing it on one's self". Not always, but sometimes.

It bothers me rarely as the reason I don't report it. But it does get tiresome.
I really don't like snitching on people really. Never was my style.
I also believe in what I say. I don't lie ever (as in purposely tell a false statement). If I say something false then it's an honest unintentional mistake. My logic is different than many others as I think differently. Some just don't agree with my logic and reasoning and sometimes they do. That's understood.

Originally posted by h1a8
It bothers me rarely as the reason I don't report it. But it does get tiresome.
I really don't like snitching on people really. Never was my style.
I also believe in what I say. I don't lie ever (as in purposely tell a false statement). If I say something false then it's an honest unintentional mistake. My logic is different than many others as I think differently. Some just don't agree with my logic and reasoning and sometimes they do. That's understood.

If it doesn't bother you, then okay. The truth is, though, that I can't stop bad behaviour if i don't know about it.

Mods aren't omniscient, and this is probably the most mod-present forum on all of KMC.

Mjolnir obeys the commands of Thor and Odin,

We seen Thor fighting odin and then Odincommanding mjolnir to fall in fear itself.

How does Odin do this becasue he commands Mjolnir with the Odinpower

Now if king Thor and Odin both have the Odin power then could summon Mjolnir anywhere they want b/c they control the Odinpower,

And again there was no power/glowing coming out of odin when odin summoned it to destroyer hand allscenes of the glow where after,

Now if you want to argue standard Thor can't summon mjolnir in destroyer that is a diffent story however since Mjolnir can be summoned by Thor even when not throw away you have little to no grounds.

Base on all the different ways Thor summon mjolnir

And as For Rulk using mjolnir's power it can be somed up to PIS

For god sake using Rulk during that run is just bad all of rulks writing at that point was filled with PIS

Smacking down a watcher, killed grandmaster , tanking Odinforce Thor face shot , Absrobing SS power cosmic, Then in the same 3 issues you have him getting beat down by hulk and Thor and then whooped on by daken and knocked out be red-she hulk

The Rulk showing isn't PIS...you all are forgetting that Rulk absorbed some of the OF from Thor which is a good reason he was able to do some of the stuff he was capable of doing. Thor even admits he felt himself being drained. Rulk conjuring lightning, etc...had a lot to do with the Odin Force being a part of him (during that moment).

Originally posted by carver9
The Rulk showing isn't PIS...you all are forgetting that Rulk absorbed some of the OF from Thor which is a good reason he was able to do some of the stuff he was capable of doing. Thor even admits he felt himself being drained. Rulk conjuring lightning, etc...had a lot to do with the Odin Force being a part of him (during that moment).

Rulk's entire run under Loeb is PIS and bad writing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Rulk's entire run under Loeb is PIS and bad writing.

Thank you

Originally posted by -Pr-
So it comes down to you not thinking that Thor should have Mjolnir while animating the Destroyer, whether he can summon it or not?

He clearly doesn't want Mjolnir in this thread and will do anything to get it left out. as he started by trying to ban Mjolnir, he then moved on to claiming it wasn't standard equipment, then he tried arguing that it'd make the Destroyer weaker and now he's arguing that Thor can't summon Mjolnir.

The best part is, he went from claiming it could only be summoned to the person's real body and thus Thor wouldn't be able to summon it once in the Destroyer(because he was away from his body) to claiming that Odin was still in his real body when he summoned Mjolnir to the Destroyer.

Basically his argument for the Odin example invalidates his whole stance, as he's admitting that summoning Mjolnir is a mental action and that it can summoned to a different location than the summoner's real body.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He clearly doesn't want Mjolnir in this thread and will do anything to get it left out. as he started by trying to ban Mjolnir, he then moved on to claiming it wasn't standard equipment, then he tried arguing that it'd make the Destroyer weaker and now he's arguing that Thor can't summon Mjolnir.

The best part is, he went from claiming it could only be summoned to the person's real body and thus Thor wouldn't be able to summon it once in the Destroyer(because he was away from his body) to claiming that Odin was still in his real body when he summoned Mjolnir to the Destroyer.

Basically his argument for the Odin example invalidates his whole stance, as he's admitting that summoning Mjolnir is a mental action and that it can summoned to a different location than the summoner's real body.

If you read my posts then you would have clearly seen that I stated I didn't want Mjolnir in this thread. You act like you solved a mystery when I clearly stated it. With Mjolnir Destroyer can win by bfr or some other funky means. It's not a good debate then.

But just because someone have motive doesn't mean they are guilty. I truly don't believe Mjolnir can be summoned from Destroyer's body. I believe it can only be summoned from Thor's or Odin's body or whoever picks up the hammer.

Jake claimed it could be summoned while in Destroyer's body. I disagreed (still do) as we have no on panel evidence supporting it. You saying I made the first claim doesn't mean I did. I can say you are a rabbit until I'm blue in the face, it still wouldn't make you a rabbit.

My argument of the Odin example shows that the scene can't be used to show Destroyer being able to summon Mjolnir. Once Thor is completely inside of Destroyer then he can't use his real body to do anything. Your last sentence makes no sense (literally). You must reword it better. What does "it can be summoned to a different location than the summoner's real body" mean?

Again, you argued with me in the Ozy thread claiming that catching a bullet is no evidence towards fighting skill. Yet it is far more believable that if a MA catches a bullet means they are a supreme master of fighting than say Destroyer can summon Mjolnir because it used Mjolnir's abilities AFTER PICKING IT UP.
In a nutshell, you are arguing bias and hypocritical. You are not accepting other's evidence while thinking we should accept yours.

Bringing up another argument where I was right hardly helps your case.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Rulk's entire run under Loeb is PIS and bad writing.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Bringing up another argument where I was right hardly helps your case.

You don't see your flaw?

Ozy to catch a bullet is not sufficient to support his great MA fighting skill
yet Destroyer using Mjolnir's abilities when holding it is very sufficient in order to support it can summon Mjolnir without first touching it?

Originally posted by h1a8
You don't see your flaw?

Ozy to catch a bullet is not sufficient to support his great MA fighting skill
yet Destroyer using Mjolnir's abilities when holding it is very sufficient in order to support it can summon Mjolnir without first touching it?

Incorrect, Thor(who was already able to use Mjolnir's abilites) was able to use them while in the Destroyer armor, those proving that animating the Destroyer doesn't removes a person's abilities.