Originally posted by h1a8
Only to the bias and not the objective.
There is no writer intention anywhere that the Destroyer's durability is depended on the user. This is the truth and you know it. I read through the Destroyer arc under Simonson. I didn't see anything alluding to what you are speculating.Destroyer=Destroyer
doesn't matter who's animating it.
Right, then why did Odin choose to use himself and the other Asgardians to animate it, instead of just a random Joe?
Originally posted by h1a8
Only to the bias and not the objective.
There is no writer intention anywhere that the Destroyer's durability is depended on the user. This is the truth and you know it. I read through the Destroyer arc under Simonson. I didn't see anything alluding to what you are speculating.Destroyer=Destroyer
doesn't matter who's animating it.
I find that hard to believe, tbh.
Anyway, normal Thor animating the Destroyer gets the benefit of being able to fully utilize Mjolnir and his powers in additions to the Destroyer's own and is overall more powerful than the armor operating on its own.
In Odin and King Thor's case, they can also call upon the Odin Force while animating the armor. I won't get into all the shit the Odin Force can do, because, frankly, factoring that in in addition to the Destroyer Armor would be spite. Rest assured, it's capable of feats such as repairing damage made to the armor, stopping time, projecting blasts easily capable of destroying adamantium/Caps' shield, etc.
You still have yet to prove that HP Doomsday could damage Mjolnir outside of your argument that since Doomsday easily damaged Superman, it stands to reason he could probably damage Mjolnir, which is...well, silly.
Considering the Destroyer Armor is more potent, powerful, and durable than even Mjolnir - again without factoring in abilities such as the Odin Force or the fact that it can use Mjolnir in addition to every thing else - and I really don't see how Doomsday is hurting it. At all.
Sure, he could toss it around and knock it about. But anything resembling significant damage? Not happening. And even if it did, it can be repaired.
This is really spite.
When MAestro Hulk used the armor he was wrecking hulk and he was just using the armor basic weapons, as where Odin, Thor and Loki know how to use the armor and it powers, the armor is more powerful than the hammer it's powered by the Odin-force and other sky fathers, like Jake said the armor heals it's self at will if DD manage to damage it, it still wont affect the host and on top of that armor wearer can use his own powers plus the armors, so basically this spite against DD on major proportion, DD cant win against something that cant be stop period unless DD evolves into a damn Celestial and that ain't happening anytime soon. It takes more than brute strength to beat something that can dish t right back and more the opponent can handle.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I find that hard to believe, tbh.Anyway, normal Thor animating the Destroyer gets the benefit of being able to fully utilize Mjolnir and his powers in additions to the Destroyer's own and is overall more powerful than the armor operating on its own.
In Odin and King Thor's case, they can also call upon the Odin Force while animating the armor. I won't get into all the shit the Odin Force can do, because, frankly, factoring that in in addition to the Destroyer Armor would be spite. Rest assured, it's capable of feats such as repairing damage made to the armor, stopping time, projecting blasts easily capable of destroying adamantium/Caps' shield, etc.
You still have yet to prove that HP Doomsday could damage Mjolnir outside of your argument that since Doomsday easily damaged Superman, it stands to reason he could probably damage Mjolnir, which is...well, silly.
Considering the Destroyer Armor is more potent, powerful, and durable than even Mjolnir - again without factoring in abilities such as the Odin Force or the fact that it can use Mjolnir in addition to every thing else - and I really don't see how Doomsday is hurting it. At all.
Sure, he could toss it around and knock it about. But anything resembling significant damage? Not happening. And even if it did, it can be repaired.
This is really spite.
Destroyer using Mjolnir doesn't prove anything. Destroyer with random joe can pick up and use Mjolnir. Even then, this doesn't make Destroyer more durable.
No blast made by the Destroyer or King Thor could kill HP DD. The OE which at less than half strength vaporized two missiles that Superman couldn't put a scratch on using all of his might. Yet HP DD tanked a full powered blast like a champ.
Destroyer is not stopping time, mostly because of in character reasons, and partly because it's arguable that he can even do such things.
Why can't DD damage Mjolnir. So easily penetrating Superman isn't enough? What is Superman made of paper? Do you know who Superman is and his feats of durability? Yet you say silly. Hell Mjolnir been shattered by herald physical force before.
It can be repaired doesn't mean it will be repaired in battle and it doesn't mean it will be repaired in enough time before it is torned to shreds.
The key lies in Superman. Mjolnir is not that much more durable than Superman (which is what you are implying). And Destroyer's armor isn't that much more durable against physical blunt force than Mjolnir (if any).
Originally posted by the Darkone
When MAestro Hulk used the armor he was wrecking hulk and he was just using the armor basic weapons, as where Odin, Thor and Loki know how to use the armor and it powers, the armor is more powerful than the hammer it's powered by the Odin-force and other sky fathers, like Jake said the armor heals it's self at will if DD manage to damage it, it still wont affect the host and on top of that armor wearer can use his own powers plus the armors, so basically this spite against DD on major proportion, DD cant win against something that cant be stop period unless DD evolves into a damn Celestial and that ain't happening anytime soon. It takes more than brute strength to beat something that can dish t right back and more the opponent can handle.
I disagree that the Destroyer will repair itself in battle or fast enough not to be torn to shreds.
HP DD can also heal instantly and adapt to be even more resistant. Thus if the battle lasts any significant amount of time sways heavily towards DD.
DD tanking the OE proves no blast will be affecting DD to a significant degree.
Destroyer better off using brute force (punches and stuff).
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I find that hard to believe, tbh.Anyway, normal Thor animating the Destroyer gets the benefit of being able to fully utilize Mjolnir and his powers in additions to the Destroyer's own and is overall more powerful than the armor operating on its own.
In Odin and King Thor's case, they can also call upon the Odin Force while animating the armor. I won't get into all the shit the Odin Force can do, because, frankly, factoring that in in addition to the Destroyer Armor would be spite. Rest assured, it's capable of feats such as repairing damage made to the armor, stopping time, projecting blasts easily capable of destroying adamantium/Caps' shield, etc.
You still have yet to prove that HP Doomsday could damage Mjolnir outside of your argument that since Doomsday easily damaged Superman, it stands to reason he could probably damage Mjolnir, which is...well, silly.
Considering the Destroyer Armor is more potent, powerful, and durable than even Mjolnir - again without factoring in abilities such as the Odin Force or the fact that it can use Mjolnir in addition to every thing else - and I really don't see how Doomsday is hurting it. At all.
Sure, he could toss it around and knock it about. But anything resembling significant damage? Not happening. And even if it did, it can be repaired.
This is really spite.
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And you the only thing that did jack up the Destroyer was the Celestials and second was the combine power of the Dark Gods which almost destroyed the armor. HP DD doesn't have the power to beat the armor, especially with King Thor in it with the Odin force w/armor powers, DD will get sodomize 100x over. Destroyer will tank everything that DD throws at him, we cant say the same for bone face, when gets protrusion bones ripped out body.
Originally posted by the Darkone
👆And you the only thing that did jack up the Destroyer was the Celestials and second was the combine power of the Dark Gods which almost destroyed the armor. HP DD doesn't have the power to beat the armor, especially with King Thor in it with the Odin force w/armor powers, DD will get sodomize 100x over. Destroyer will tank everything that DD throws at him, we cant say the same for bone face, when gets protrusion bones ripped out body.
I can just as easily say DD rips Destroyer to shreds. See what I did there?
If DD can easily penetrate Superman like's he's nothing then he can certainly damage Destroyer well.
Destroyer is not doing anything to a being that can tanked the OE and heal instantly and adapt to be more resistant.
Destroyer either wins right away or he loses true.
Originally posted by h1a8
I can just as easily say DD rips Destroyer to shreds. See what I did there?If DD can easily penetrate Superman like's he's nothing then he can certainly damage Destroyer well.
Destroyer is not doing anything to a being that can tanked the OE and heal instantly and adapt to be more resistant.
1 Superman is not more durable the Destroyer that's another stupid statement you made, stop making an a$$ out of yourself. You cant compare something that was made out metal that is stronger than Mjolner and enchanted by the Odin-force and other sky fathers and was design to battle Celestial, show us proof that DD can harm the armor?
2 DD didn't tank the OE, he got killed by it and regenerated and adapted to it, tanking means taking it without being phased, DD can adapts to what kills him, but doesn't he cant get manhandle by something more powerful.
HP DD is Mid or High trans level in strength that's it, he cant challenge a legitimate Sky Father in King Thor in the armor that has the power to kill Sky Father, DD can't put down Destroyer/King Thor permanently as where the armor can, news flash armor becomes stronger depending on the inhabitant more powerful the person the more powerful the armor becomes, hell a average joe would work HP DD.
Originally posted by the DarkoneIf you ever read my posts with an objective mindset and not judge before you read then you would have seen that I claimed 3 times or more that the Destroyer is more durable than Superman. I never said differently. Ever!
1 Superman is not more durable the Destroyer that's another stupid statement you made, stop making an a$$ out of yourself. You cant compare something that was made out metal that is stronger than Mjolner and enchanted by the Odin-force and other sky fathers and was design to battle Celestial, show us proof that DD can harm the armor?2 DD didn't tank the OE, he got killed by it and regenerated and adapted to it, tanking means taking it without being phased, DD can adapts to what kills him, but doesn't he cant get manhandle by something more powerful.
HP DD is Mid or High trans level in strength that's it, he cant challenge a legitimate Sky Father in King Thor in the armor that has the power to kill Sky Father, DD can't put down Destroyer/King Thor permanently as where the armor can, news flash armor becomes stronger depending on the inhabitant more powerful the person the more powerful the armor becomes, hell a average joe would work HP DD.
I said the Destroyer is not MANY times more durable than Superman since we go by feats and not looks.
DD didn't get killed at all. He got buried. Got back up and ran miles before Darkseid (with legitamate reflexes and speed) turned around and smoked Darkseid cleanly. You claimed he got killed but have no proof of him being dead at all. If DD can resurrect that fast then what hope does the Destroyer have? This would be worst wouldn't it?
You must prove that the Destroyer's power is based on who's animating it and not the number of people animating it. For years I let you guys get away with the pseudo-fact until I actually read up on it. No more can you guys trick me. I'll have my Thor comics ready. I'm getting more dangerous so watch what you say from now on. No more slick tricks.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Please don't dodge the question.
He's been dodging my questions for a long time. You never notice it do you?
He keeps trolling me saying that I don't know what I'm talking about when I have the freaking comics in front of me. Yet he can't prove me wrong or provide evidence toward his case. Instead just insults me and not actually debate.
He claimed that the Destroyer's power level (including durability) is dependent on the user (assuming a single user). Then he gives an example with many people animating it (not one person). Many people=/= one person.
It could be that multiple souls does make the Destroyer more powerful (according to that 1 writer) but each soul counts as one (no matter the soul).
I will answer his question though (in the reply below). Hopefully he will answer mine to be a fair debate.
Originally posted by Silent MasterIt doesn't state it shows. It shows that multiple souls animating it makes it stronger. Multiple souls =/= a single soul
Now where does it state that the Destroyer's power level is dependent upon the single soul who's animating it?
I answered your question now answer mine.
Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday is high Herald in strength.
Superman is arguably the strongest high herald. No other high herald being is as strong as him. DD is significantly stronger than Superman, as shown when they face each other in HP.
Also I don't believe in Skyfather level strength. There is no such thing. A skyfather could be anywhere from 75tons to high herald level strength. Same with trans.
Superman is physically stronger than any skyfather by feats. Now durability is another story (durability =/= strength).