HP Doomsday vs Destroyer

Originally posted by h1a8
If you ever read my posts with an objective mindset and not judge before you read then you would have seen that I claimed 3 times or more that the Destroyer is more durable than Superman. I never said differently. Ever!

I said the Destroyer is not MANY times more durable than Superman since we go by feats and not looks.

DD didn't get killed at all. He got buried. Got back up and ran miles before Darkseid (with legitamate reflexes and speed) turned around and smoked Darkseid cleanly. You claimed he got killed but have no proof of him being dead at all. If DD can resurrect that fast then what hope does the Destroyer have? This would be worst wouldn't it?

You must prove that the Destroyer's power is based on who's animating it and not the number of people animating it. For years I let you guys get away with the pseudo-fact until I actually read up on it. No more can you guys trick me. I'll have my Thor comics ready. I'm getting more dangerous so watch what you say from now on. No more slick tricks.

Your ignorance of Asgardian Armor is ridiculous, everything that has been said is a fact and backed by panel proof and statements, you would know that by reading Thor instead looking at bios that doesn't tell the whole thing, in your opinion is not fact their theories not supported by panel proof, nice try to act like u know what you are talking about once again you failed as usual.

He's been dodging my questions for a long time. You never notice it do you?
He keeps trolling me saying that I don't know what I'm talking about when I have the freaking comics in front of me. Yet he can't prove me wrong or provide evidence toward his case. Instead just insults me and not actually debate.

He claimed that the Destroyer's power level (including durability) is dependent on the user (assuming a single user). Then he gives an example with many people animating it (not one person). Many people=/= one person.

It could be that multiple souls does make the Destroyer more powerful (according to that 1 writer) but each soul counts as one (no matter the soul).

I will answer his question though (in the reply below). Hopefully he will answer mine to be a fair debate.

It doesn't state it shows. It shows that multiple souls animating it makes it stronger. Multiple souls =/= a single soul
Showing along with context of writer's intention>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stating

Now where does it state that the Destroyer's power level is dependent upon the single soul who's animating it?

I answered your question now answer mine.

Originally posted by h1a8
It doesn't state it

Thank you.

The rest of your post is a lie, as seen by the time people like Thor have animated it. Which has been mentioned by several other people like Jake

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When both Odin and Thor used the Destroyer, they were still able to call upon their powers. A more powerful soul is able to utilize the Destroyer Armor fully than a normal random guy, and even a soul of that magnitude proved to be enough to kill Thor outright.

Let's start small. If you can prove Doomsday can grievously damage or destroy Mjolnir, I'd be impressed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thank you.

The rest of your post is a lie, as seen by the time people like Thor have animated it. Which has been mentioned by several other people like Jake

Destroyer is not shown to be more powerful with Thor animating it. I don't see greater power output, being more durable, greater physical strength, etc. Nor do I see statements or narration suggestion this. Stop going against writer's intentions dude.

Yes Destroyer is shown using Mjolnir but a random joe can pick up and use Mjolnir with Destroyer.

Using Mjolnir is not a good example of proving the ARMOR is more powerful depending on the soul animating it.

You didn't answer my question though.

"Now where does it state that the Destroyer's power level is dependent upon the single soul who's animating it?"

Thor constantly references that he has the power of the destroyer (as per writer's intentions).
"For the Destroyer is beyond death." "No one is is mightier than the Destroyer!"

and Thor throws away the hammer and says "What need have I for a mere hammer...when the energies within my frame are powerful enough to divide even worlds in twain?!" This implies that Thor's own power (Mjolnir) is nothing compared to the Destroyer's power. So even adding Thor's power is a downgrade to this fight.

Prior to this and afterwards You see Thor mostly blasting with Destroyer's hand beams and not even using his hammer but just to twirl it for show. True that Thor has the power of Mjolnir with the Destroyer, but then again so does the random joe (if he has access to Mjolnir).

See here:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/723/tneedthehammer.png

Originally posted by h1a8
You welcome, as long as you know it showed it.
Uhm I have the comics in front of me bro. Prove the rest of my post is a lie. Come at me. Give examples, show scans, etc.

Destroyer is not shown to be more powerful with Thor animating it. I don't see greater power output, being more durable, greater physical strength, etc. Nor do I see statements or narration suggestion this. Stop going against writer's intentions dude.

Yes Destroyer is shown using Mjolnir but a random joe can pick up and use Mjolnir with Destroyer.

Using Mjolnir is not a good example of proving the ARMOR is more powerful depending on the soul animating it.

You didn't answer my question though.

"Now where does it state that the Destroyer's power level is dependent upon the single soul who's animating it?"

What you did was admit that your claim was baseless, Which everyone already knew.

The fact is, when people with actual powers/abilties of their own have animated the Destroyer, it's been shown to be more powerful than when it's powered by a random person.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is arguably the strongest high herald. No other high herald being is as strong as him. DD is significantly stronger than Superman, as shown when they face each other in HP.

Also I don't believe in Skyfather level strength. There is no such thing. A skyfather could be anywhere from 75tons to high herald level strength. Same with trans.
Superman is physically stronger than any skyfather by feats. Now durability is another story (durability =/= strength).

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Originally posted by carver9
Cocaine is a hellava drug.

Superman has the best strength feats. Truth.

Hulk is up there but IMO Hulk is not a herald since he can be bfr to space easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman has the best strength feats. Truth.

Hulk is up there but IMO Hulk is not a herald since he can be bfr to space easily.

Doomsday isn't a Herald since he can be bfred into space easily.

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday isn't a Herald since he can be bfred into space easily.

Not really since he's very fast.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not really since he's very fast.

Lol...recently moved so fast, he became a blur/after image...did something Doomsday never did...this doesn't include his other showings of moving so fast he became a blur and you discredit it and argue that he can be bfred but Doomsday can't. STHU

Originally posted by Silent Master
What you did was admit that your claim was baseless, Which everyone already knew.

The fact is, when people with actual powers/abilties of their own have animated the Destroyer, it's been shown to be more powerful than when it's powered by a random person.

Dude I'm convinced you never read a Thor comic. You just piggy back off what Jake says without even knowing the truth yourself. You are just talking out of your arse and trying to circumvent the writer's intentions? At least I'm providing evidence and support to the debate. What are you doing? Hell, you are not even debating really, since you failed to answer my question. Maybe I should sick PR on you?

P.S. The claim (not mine) was that Destroyer's power level is dependent upon the user. In other words, Destroyer is more powerful (including more durable) when King Thor is animating it than a random joe. That claim was baseless as I proved.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...recently moved so fast, he became a blur/after image...did something Doomsday never did...this doesn't include his other showings of moving so fast he became a blur and you discredit it and argue that he can be bfred but Doomsday can't. STHU

Originally posted by h1a8
Carver calm down. If you read my post correctly then you would understand that I didn't say DD couldn't be bfred. I said not easily since he is fast. Hulk can be bfred easily because of his lack of speed.

He doesn't have a lack of speed though. If he have a lack of speed, Doomsday does as well.

Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't have a lack of speed though. If he have a lack of speed, Doomsday does as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk is not a speedster. Being faster than a human doesn't make you a speedster by itself. Spiderman can dance around Hulk. Superman can barely keep up with DD and constantly complains about his speed.

Hulk has shown super speed. Hulk has tagged Spiderman. Superman can keep up with Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has shown super speed. Hulk has tagged Spiderman. Superman can keep up with Doomsday.

I said Superman can barely keep up with DD. Why do you always not read my posts correctly?

Guys guys h1 has indisputable logic.

The logic of "Thikt!".

Can't beat that. 😂

Originally posted by h1a8
Everyone has been tagged by slower moving enemies, even Surfer and Superman. Doesn't mean they are speedsters. Characters are notorious in comics for ignoring their super speed.

I said Superman can barely keep up with DD. Why do you always not read my posts correctly?

Hulk has been described on many of occasions as having super speed and again, he have fts that Doomsday doesn't have.

When did Superman have trouble keeping up with Doomsday? Are you talking about post crisis Superman? He's said that many of times, even against street levelers. If Superman used his speed anywhere close to what he is capable of, Doomsday would get blitzed.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has shown super speed. Hulk has tagged Spiderman. Superman can keep up with Doomsday.

Not that Spidey and Superman are peers, speed wise....

only reason spiderman can dodge hulk besides spidersense is if spiderman died in early issues it would disappoint fans...the hulks reflexes are incredibly fast...when he gets chances to show them...