HP Doomsday vs Destroyer

Originally posted by Villelater
only reason spiderman can dodge hulk besides spidersense is if spiderman died in early issues it would disappoint fans...the hulks reflexes are incredibly fast...when he gets chances to show them...

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has been described on many of occasions as having super speed and again, he have fts that Doomsday doesn't have.

When did Superman have trouble keeping up with Doomsday? Are you talking about post crisis Superman? He's said that many of times, even against street levelers. If Superman used his speed anywhere close to what he is capable of, Doomsday would get blitzed.

Superman never complained about anyone's speed (maybe flash) or that he couldn't see someone move.
Again being faster than a human technically means you have super speed. But it doesn't make you a speedster which has a minimal order of magnitude.

DD's speed feats are crazy. How do you hit the entire JL at the same time before they all can react while being away at a distance? Superman complains that he couldn't see him move. WTF?
How about the shockwaves of DD that caught up to flash?
How about DD covering miles before Darkseid can turn around?
How about DD sending claws into Superman before he can even react?
How about the writer's intentions of him being faster than flash himself?

Use common sense. Hulk would be a statue compared to DD. He's at least several orders of magnitude faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman never complained about anyone's speed (maybe flash) or that he couldn't see someone move.
Again being faster than a human technically means you have super speed. But it doesn't make you a speedster which has a minimal order of magnitude.

DD's speed feats are crazy. How do you hit the entire JL at the same time before they all can react while being away at a distance? Superman complains that he couldn't see him move. WTF?
How about the shockwaves of DD that caught up to flash?
How about DD covering miles before Darkseid can turn around?
How about DD sending claws into Superman before he can even react?
How about the writer's intentions of him being faster than flash himself?

Use common sense. Hulk would be a statue compared to DD. He's at least several orders of magnitude faster.

Lol...Superman did complain about someone speed. When did Doomsday blitz Flash?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Guys guys h1 has indisputable logic.

The logic of "Thikt!".

Can't beat that. 😂

That and the Destroyer being shown as more powerful when animated by Thor = proof that the person animating it doesn't effect the Destroyer's power.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Superman did complain about someone speed. When did Doomsday blitz Flash?

Never shown. All happened off panel.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has shown super speed. Hulk has tagged Spiderman. Superman can keep up with Doomsday.

Carver, you've been told this before. Recycling old arguments like we're going to magically forget about them is not going to work.

I'm not going to tell you again.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That and the Destroyer being shown as more powerful when animated by Thor = proof that the person animating it doesn't effect the Destroyer's power.

Thor being shown more powerful? That's a lie. Thor didn't nothing in Destroyer to show himself more powerful than the random joe animating it. I'll prove it here:

Random Joe animating Destroyer easily sliced Mjolnir in half with a single hand blast.

Now Destroyer animated by Thor can't even decapitate Garm, the guardian of Hel.
Unless you think Garm is far more durable than Mjolnir.

Then we have Thor blasting a bunch of fodder type stuff, Giants, rocks, skeletons, etc. Nothing significant. Hell Hela blocks his beams well.

Also Thor constantly references that he has the power of the destroyer (as per writer's intentions).
"For the Destroyer is beyond death." "No one is is mightier than the Destroyer!"

See here:

and Thor throws away the hammer and says "What need have I for a mere hammer...when the energies within my frame are powerful enough to divide even worlds in twain?!" This implies that Thor's own power (Mjolnir) is nothing compared to the Destroyer's power. So Thor adding Mjolnir is a downgrade to the destroyer's power.

I'm so proud of H1. This is the first time I've seen him post scans. Good job buddy.

He's also leaving out a good bit of Thor's actions while in the armor, however like I said in a differenet thread, I'm currently several states away from my collection.

Although, I did find these

So going from cutting Mjolnir to not "decapitating" people is hardly new.

That and here is Thor in the Destroyer armor using Mjolnir to teleport.

Being able to use Mjolnir's abilities plus the Destroyer's > just being able to use the Destroyer's.

First person h1 ever owned.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm so proud of H1. This is the first time I've seen him post scans. Good job buddy.

Yea, if you ignore the scan I posted of Thor using Mjolnir to teleport while in the Destroyer armor.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor being shown more powerful? That's a lie. Thor didn't nothing in Destroyer to show himself more powerful than the random joe animating it. I'll prove it here:

and Thor throws away the hammer and says "[b]What need have I for a mere hammer...when the energies within my frame are powerful enough to divide even worlds in twain?!" This implies that Thor's own power (Mjolnir) is nothing compared to the Destroyer's power. So Thor adding Mjolnir is a downgrade to the destroyer's power. [/B]

Yes. Yes. Getting extra powers ADDED to your own is CLEARLY a downgrade. And clearly proves your original argument that Thor's powers don't add to the Destroyer's (what... wha?!?).

Flawless logic. 💃

Originally posted by Silent Master

That and here is Thor in the Destroyer armor using Mjolnir to teleport.

Being able to use Mjolnir's abilities plus the Destroyer's > just being able to use the Destroyer's.

I purposely left disregarded that scene because:

1. Leaving the battlefield is not allowed
2. There is no bfr in this fight
3. Destroyer's abilities>>>>>>>Mjolnir's abilities as Thor shown to throw the hammer away. Using Mjolnir can only make the Destroyer weaker offensively and against brute force.
4. A random joe can pick and use Mjolnir in Destroyer's armor.
5. King Thor doesn't have Mjolnir in this fight.

So showing Destroyer using Mjolnir to teleport doesn't prove anything related to this fight. Destroyer doesn't even have Mjolnir here to begin with.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes. Yes. Getting extra powers ADDED to your own is CLEARLY a downgrade. And clearly proves your original argument that Thor's powers don't add to the Destroyer's (what... wha?!?).

Flawless logic. 💃

Exactly, here is Thor using Mjolnir to teleport while in the Destroyer armor.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes. Yes. Getting extra powers ADDED to your own is CLEARLY a downgrade. And clearly proves your original argument that Thor's powers don't add to the Destroyer's (what... wha?!?).

Flawless logic. 💃

Do you know what the debate is about? It's about does the Destroyer's armor power depend on the user. Using Mjolnir to add more powers is not what the debate is about. We are talking about extra durability, more power output of the destroyer, etc.

Destroyer doesn't have Mjolnir here and also a random joe can still use Mjolnir in Destroyer's armor. So it's irrelevant to the case.

Also using a weaker attack is a downgrade than using a much stronger attack. If two character's were fighting and one purposely used weaker attacks then they automatically lower their chances of winning.

In summary, extra (yet weaker) powers is worst than less (but stronger) powers if you decide to use weaker powers at any time. This is common sense.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, here is Thor using Mjolnir to teleport while in the Destroyer armor.

Originally posted by h1a8

1. Leaving the battlefield is not allowed
2. There is no bfr in this fight
3. Destroyer's abilities>>>>>>>Mjolnir's abilities as Thor shown to throw the hammer away. Using Mjolnir can only make the Destroyer weaker offensively and against brute force.
4. A random joe can pick and use Mjolnir in Destroyer's armor.
5. King Thor doesn't have Mjolnir in this fight.

So showing Destroyer using Mjolnir to teleport doesn't prove anything related to this fight. Destroyer doesn't even have Mjolnir here to begin with.

Oh and I forgot, Destroyer doesn't have Mjolnir in this fight. Why change the goalposts to something that has nothing to do with who will win this fight?

Mjolnir can do more than just teleport, so being able to use it's abilities in battle does more the Destroyer more powerful.

BTW, the OP never said that BFR was banned, nor did he ban Mjolnir.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also using a weaker attack is a downgrade than using a much stronger attack. If two character's were fighting and one purposely used weaker attacks then they automatically lower their chances of winning.

In summary, extra (yet weaker) powers is worst than less (but stronger) powers if you decide to use weaker powers at any time. This is common sense.

😂

Little defensive aren't we? You didn't say USE you said ADDED. Nice try at changing your wording, tho. 😈