Are the Republican Party even wanted anymore?

Originally posted by Lestov16
😆

You call me polarizing? All I did was call the GOP out on the bullshit they've been doing over the past few years. You're the one who started talking about Democrats and promoting partisanship, as you seem to think that eveyrone who criticizes the GOP is a generic democrat, rather than someone who is disgusted with the blatantly-disgusting policies of the GOP. You seem certain that Anti-GOP=Democrat. You're the one trying to promote a war between Democrats and GOP, rather than promote government reform. If there's anyone polarizing here, it's you.

The truth here is Digi isn't polarizing anyone here as most people in this thread agree with him in that you are not presenting any facts and just making broad claims to seemingly equate Republicans with hte Devil which isn't true.

Originally posted by Newjak
He isn't saying that everyone who disagrees with the GOP are democrats he is saying that your claims of it are based on general democratic stereotypes for the GOP as well as general Democratic Propaganda.

so you're saying the GOP have not done the things I claimed? The only reason anyone would have to criticize my criticism of the GOP is if I stated something wrong about them, and i didn't. I don't care what "democratic propaganda" says. I am making my criticism based off of what I have seen the GOP do over the past years

Originally posted by Newjak
you are not presenting any facts

Facts:

Bush was elected in basically through a scam and his administration abused the hell out of economy for profit, and when Obama came in to make reforms, they formed The Tea Party against him (which was full of crazies and based entirely on lies), blocked all economic reforms he tried to make, held our economy hostage once last year, nearly causing us to default, ran an absolute scumbag of a presidential elect in a campaign that was (once again) based entirely on lies, attempted to pass various bills that would suppress basic rights to women, homosexuals, and others, tried to teach our children to believe bullshit cosmology, and now they are holding our country hostage for a second time, unless Obama makes unnecessary cuts to needed public programs rather than tax the wealthiest 2% on a level they probably wouldn't notice

Originally posted by Newjak
and just making broad claims to seemingly equate Republicans with hte Devil which isn't true.

The fact that they are holding our economy hostage, refusing to raise the debt ceiling so Obama will have to unnecessarily cut into programs such as Social Security, which my disabled mom lives on, rather than raise the taxes of the wealthy elite on a smidgeon of a level they won't even notice, isn't true? Really?

Again, you are asking me to be understanding towards a political party who clearly do not care about the public it's supposed to serve, instead devoting themselves to billionaires like the Koch Bros. Sorry if I have some difficulty doing so.

Originally posted by Newjak
I feel like the other posters here have pretty much exposed your hateful self

Again, you're shocked that I hate a group who are threatening the livelihood of my loved ones and others for no reason? Really? You'd think hatred of the GOP and their despicable behavior was the entire point of this thread or something 😱

Originally posted by Lestov16
How am I jaded? The GOP have been screwing over our economy for years. This is a blatant irrefutable fact. I haven't accused them of anything they haven't done. I'm calling them out for the crap that they have.

Jaded in calling any Republican reprehensible, when there are many voters and some politician party members who do indeed have a reasonable approach to politics.

You seem to equate the extremes with everyone. They're the most vocal and, yes, have highjacked aspects of the Republican party. That doesn't mean Joe Republican doesn't have an informed opinion or legitimate gripes with Democrats.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So I should excuse their reprehensible behavior because it's supposedly motivated by good intentions (even though it clearly isn't)?

No, but you shouldn't paint with such a broad brush.

Originally posted by Lestov16
And that credibility is waining fast. Who cares what they were like 100 years ago. Democrats were KKK, for Pete's sake. We're talking about now. Republicans are outdated and obsolete. Like I said, a moderate Republican would be good, but the GOP seem to hate progressive politicians. Just look at how they treated Ron Paul. Paul probably isn't the best politician, and I probably would have voted for Obama over him, but at least he would have been a credible candidate. But no, the GOP actually insulted America's intelligence and tried to run lying turd Mitt Romney.

100? Try within our lifetime. Moderate Republicans exist, even in Washington. With the more extremist ones taking a blow this last election, we'll probably see a gradual push toward the middle from the GOP.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Um, no. I came on here calling out the GOP for the shit they've pulled over the last few years, and you guys essentially said that they don't deserve that criticism. Please forgive me for being shocked that you are defending such horrible people

I have not said this. Please forgive me for calling you out on ascribing arguments that I have not made.

Originally posted by Lestov16
But yet you seem upset when I scrutinize them

Your tone, not the message itself. Your approach is never going to convince anyone, it's just going to make them retreat further into their conservative bubble, convinced that liberals are angry and irrational.

Also, you're ascribing emotion to me as well. We're chatting on the internet. That's all. I can only speak for myself, but KMC hasn't made me upset in probably a half decade.

Originally posted by Lestov16
😆 "bogeymen", again acting like this is some myth that the GOP have been ruining our economy, rather than what's clearly happening.

You misunderstand. Bogeymen referred to the fact that you're not speaking to any politicians in this thread. You're talking to about a dozen or so KMC posters. Cater your arguments as such.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well you are defending Republicans, but at the same time, you are staunchly calling yourself not-a-Republican and not supportive of Republican ideals as they exist today, so again, please forgive me for assuming that you are trying to maintain neutrality. I just call it as I see it. You especially imply it, with posts such as these:

You sure about that? 😉

Since it seems to matter so much to you...

I'm very conservative on fiscal matters, bordering on libertarianism. While I don't believe recent Republican candidates accurately represent such ideals, in theory I'm more aligned with them on financial matters. I've never voted Republican, but have considered it in the past depending on the candidate. I did not seriously consider any GOP candidate in this last election. I'm intensely liberal on social issues, and as such am more aligned with Democrats there. I tend to vote on social issues over fiscal ones, simply due to the relative complexity of economic matters (the complexity of the market, etc.) over social ones. Gay marriage, for example, is a binary issue. Economic issues are not, which means even a "better" solution according to my ideals might not achieve success.

I've voted 3rd party in the last two elections. If I had to choose one of the main parties, I would have voted for Obama, despite how much I despise the idea of a big government. Ironically, I identify more with both Green and Libertarian parties than the "big 2" despite those being polar opposites. I generally look for a candidate that leans centrist on the issue(s) where I don't agree with them.

As ever, I'm not so much defending Republicans as I am disappointed in your approach to the political debate. With a thread title like "Are the Republican Party Even wanted anymore?" it's a wonder you can't step out of your own bubble to see how generalizing and polarizing that approach is.

My apologies. I suppose I may have been a bit extreme in my approach. Note I am criticizing Cromwell, not Christianity (I do think all religion is obsolete bullshit, but that's a discussion for another time)

Maybe it's not the entire GOP, but the GOP members who hold most of the power are phucking up and abusing it and it needs to stop. Now. Like I said, there either need to be reforms in the GOP (stop attacking moderates) or it needs to be replaced entirely with the Libertarian party. The GOP in it's current state is doing far more harm than good to our country and if we don't stop them, we will all collapse under their buffoonery

Again, I'm not attacking Republicanism: the ideology. I'm attacking the people who call themselves Republicans, such as John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Rick Santorum, and others, who use their power to utterly shit on the public they are supposed to serve

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yes.

I figured.

I picture you as the people this gent interviewed:

YouTube video

Originally posted by Digi
I've voted 3rd party in the last two elections... Ironically, I identify more with both Green and Libertarian parties than the "big 2" despite those being polar opposites. I generally look for a candidate that leans centrist on the issue(s) where I don't agree with them.

Yes, this is how I am, as well.

I think taking a step back and looking for a provable better solution is the best way to approach politics. That is why I think many drugs should be legalized if we use "alcohol" as a meterstick. Also, we make more than enough money to provide for a single payer system: we spend enough per person, too. We should have the best Healthcare system in the world, but we don't. We also make more than enough money to have a much better "prison" system and education system.

In my ideal US, the US has a $500 billion budget for science/research and a $100 billion budget for defense spending.

Originally posted by Robtard
Who would they want?

Edit: Someone who would provide real change instead of maintaining a status quo of pro corporate bailouts and premptive warfare.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Edit: Someone who would provide real change instead of maintaining a status quo of pro corporate bailouts and premptive warfare.

I agree, which is why I, like someone else here, tend to support Libertarians and Greens, even though they are the opposite on many issues. Both oppose an interventionist foreign policy unlike the "big 2" which obviously support playing world policeman.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I figured.

I picture you as the people this gent interviewed:

YouTube video

Because, once again, anti-GOP=Democrat, right? A person with a neutral point of view can't recognize what the GOP does as harmful, In order to disagree with their clearly unethical actions, I must an Obama-thumping democrat? Again, I'm polarizing?

Again, you are criticize me like what I said was wrong, so again: Do you think GOP are right to demand unnecessary cuts to much-needed public assistance programs rather than raise the taxes of the top 2% on a level they wouldn't even care about? That sounds like a pretty scummy proposition to me, not as a person belonging to any political party, but just based on basic human decency, but apparently I'm wrong to think this is a scummy proposition. So please, explain to me why it isn't.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think taking a step back and looking for a provable better solution is the best way to approach politics. That is why I think many drugs should be legalized if we use "alcohol" as a meterstick. Also, we make more than enough money to provide for a single payer system: we spend enough per person, too. We should have the best Healthcare system in the world, but we don't. We also make more than enough money to have a much better "prison" system and education system.

In my ideal US, the US has a $500 billion budget for science/research and a $100 billion budget for defense spending.

That's pretty much everyone's view for an ideal America, but you sure as hell aren't going to achieve it with GOP members trying to halt all social and economic progress. Not saying an ideal America is ensured under Democrats, but at least with them, or another third party, it seems possible. It is not possible when Mitch McConnell blocks all economic reforms and John Boehner holds our country hostage, amongst all other things I mentioned earlier.

Like I said, it's not the entire GOP and it's not Republicanism: the ideology that I disagree with. It's the GOP members who lie and abuse their power that I disagree with. There just happens to be a lot of them within

And another thing, DDM, I am enjoying your apathy for people, such as my loved ones, who will actually be affected by these cuts, since based off your little financial statement earlier, you clearly will not be 🙂

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because, once again, anti-GOP=Democrat, right? A person with a neutral point of view can't recognize what the GOP does as harmful, In order to disagree with their clearly unethical actions, I [b]must an Obama-thumping democrat? Again, I'm polarizing? [/B]

My bad, the pro-Obama and pro-democratic party stuff you've been posting means you are not a democratic supporter. Gotcha.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
I agree, which is why I, like someone else here, tend to support Libertarians and Greens, even though they are the opposite on many issues. Both oppose an interventionist foreign policy unlike the "big 2" which obviously support playing world policeman.

IDK. I think the US should maintain an interventionalist foreign policy. Bush phucked it up and put a sour taste in everyone's mouth, but that is because he was clearly doing it for Halliburton's profit

I think if we limit ourselves to airstrikes and support, we'll be good. The world does need policing. Especially now, with Assad about to order sarin gas strikes. Sometimes people need help that one nation can't provide alone, and I applaud our incentive to help those unable to help themselves. It's not like the 50's where the CIA was performing coups. We are legit helping foreign citizens who clearly need aid. I think we owe that to the world, especially considering our country more than any other was founded on mass genocide.

Originally posted by Lestov16
IDK. I think the US should maintain an interventionalist foreign policy. Bush phucked it up and put a sour taste in everyone's mouth, but that is because he was clearly doing it for Halliburton's profit

I think if we limit ourselves to airstrikes and support, we'll be good. The world does need policing. Especially now, with Assad about to order sarin gas strikes. Sometimes people need help that one nation can't provide alone, and I applaud our incentive to help those unable to help themselves. It's not like the 50's where the CIA was performing coups. We are legit helping foreign citizens who clearly need aid. I think we owe that to the world, especially considering our country more than any other was founded on mass genocide.

If people on the other side of the world want to kill each other that's not our business. Playing world policeman is bankrupting this country and that started LONG before Bush

Originally posted by dadudemon
My bad, the pro-Obama and pro-democratic party stuff you've been posting means you are not a democratic supporter. Gotcha.

I glad you see the error of your ways. I hate the GOP, and so do democrats. Enemy of my enemy....

And like I said, any political party would be better, as no other political party seems to have a raging hard-on for the top 2% like the GOP do. I don't think you seem to comprehend that the reason I'm not talking about democrats is that democrats haven't been halting all economic progress and holding our economy hostage for the last 4 years like the GOP clearly did

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
If people on the other side of the world want to kill each other that's not our business.

It is if you want a better society. Apathy to people across the world just leads to apathy here.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
Playing world policeman is bankrupting this country

It's not interventionalism that's the problem. It's how it is done. We played World Policeman just fine in Iraq and toppled Saddam, but it was bush and his cronies who unnecessarily kept us there far longer than we should have been and bankrupted us that way. Had we pulled out once we got Saddam, that would have been fine, but as I said, Bush kept us there, not to be World Policeman but for profit. I do agree we shouldn't try to solve other country's problems at the detriment to our own, but in the case of Iraq, Bush wasn't trying to solve their problems as much as he was trying to profit. Main point is that Iraq isn't the best case of our "World policing" as that wasn't the motive for being there.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
and that started LONG before Bush

Of course there was Nam' and the CIA coups, but that was a different time when communism was perceived as an actual threat that had to be culled wherever it was

Originally posted by Lestov16
I glad you see the error of your ways. I hate the GOP, and so do democrats. Enemy of my enemy....

And like I said, any political party would be better, as no other political party seems to have a raging hard-on for the top 2% like the GOP do. I don't think you seem to comprehend that the reason I'm not talking about democrats is that [b]democrats haven't been halting all economic progress and holding our economy hostage for the last 4 years like the GOP clearly did [/B]

What are your facts, and statistics backing this?

You mean besides the fact that John Boehner refuses to raise the debt ceiling unless the White House gives into his unreasonable demands, just like he did a year ago, nearly putting us into default? How do you not know this? Do you watch the news, or do you live under a rock?

Originally posted by Lestov16
You mean besides the fact that John Boehner refuses to raise the debt ceiling unless the White House gives into his unreasonable demands, just like he did a year ago, nearly putting us into default? How do you not know this? Do you watch the news, or do you live under a rock?

This is what I'm talking about. You have an opportunity to inform someone without raising a fuss, and you're hurling insults at Newjak.

Many peoples' lives don't revolve around politics, nor do they follow it closely. Even those that do won't be cognizant of everything that goes on.

Btw, I'm not sure you're using polarizing correctly. Polarizing is something or someone that pushes others to extremes of an issue or topic. In being so hostile, you're never, ever going to convince a Republican of anything, and will likely push them further to the side of the politicians you're against. Very little, if anything, that anyone else is saying is polarizing in the way you are. And really, isn't that the point? To convince people. Otherwise, why make this thread, which amounts to nothing more than an angry youtube rant in text form?

Originally posted by Digi
This is what I'm talking about. You have an opportunity to inform someone without raising a fuss, and you're hurling insults at Newjak.

Because he's clearly trying to insult my intelligence and make me seem like I am unaware of the subject matter I am talking about.

Originally posted by Digi
Btw, I'm not sure you're using polarizing correctly. Polarizing is something or someone that pushes others to extremes of an issue or topic. In being so hostile, you're never, ever going to convince a Republican of anything, and will likely push them further to the side of the politicians you're against. Very little, if anything, that anyone else is saying is polarizing in the way you are. And really, isn't that the point? To convince people. Otherwise, why make this thread, which amounts to nothing more than an angry youtube rant in text form?

I apologize for my hostility, but how else am I supposed to act? Logic and reasoning clearly don't matter in the heads of men like John Boehner and Mitch McConnell. They get what they desire (protection of the wealthiest 2%, which is detrimental to most Americans) through bullying and coercion, as they are doing at this moment with the debt ceiling. They can't be convinced to shake their reprehensible behavior, as if they could, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.

That being stated, perhaps you are right. Maybe I should just make a youtube rant...

Lestov: serious question then, what about the fact half the nation still votes for the GOP?

Like, lets say I don't disagree with any of your statements and that you have completely described the GOP, nearly 50% of America voted for that. Simply because you don't like them or their opinions, clearly, in a democratic society, they are both wanted and necessary to the political system.

What, would you ban them? Would you say parties can't take the policy positions they do? You keep hammering home the idea they are the party of the 2%, that might be true, but they have the support of about 48% more of the total population than that.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because he's clearly trying to insult my intelligence and make me seem like I am unaware of the subject matter I am talking about.

Well, I disagree, but if that's the case, be the bigger man. Antagonizing others will just push them away.

Originally posted by Lestov16
That being stated, perhaps you are right. Maybe I should just make a youtube rant...

If you do, please post it here.

Originally posted by Lestov16
IDK. I think the US should maintain an interventionalist foreign policy.

Funded by what? More borrowed money? Never heard of the term blowback? This only increases tension toward us.

Originally posted by Lestov16

Bush phucked it up and put a sour taste in everyone's mouth, but that is because he was clearly doing it for Halliburton's profit

Not everyone. Obama has increased and has gone overboard with this foreign policy. Even going as far as assassinating American citizens abroad, deploying more drones and that whole double tap bullshit.

Originally posted by Lestov16

I think if we limit ourselves to airstrikes and support, we'll be good.

How about the many innocent deaths due to our drone warfare? These strikes aren't very accurate. Again, it creates more hostility.

Originally posted by Lestov16

The world does need policing.

We cannot afford that. It should be policed by its own people of that country. The problem with you and our government is that you think money grows on trees and we can just pump more and more money into policing the world.

Originally posted by Lestov16

Especially now, with Assad about to order sarin gas strikes.

I dont see why Assad would do the only thing that would make the US intervene. Theres videos of the rebels using chemical weapons. Are you just absorbing everything the TV tells you? Did we learn nothing from Libya?

Originally posted by Lestov16

Sometimes people need help that one nation can't provide alone, and I applaud our incentive to help those unable to help themselves. It's not like the 50's where the CIA was performing coups. We are legit helping foreign citizens who clearly need aid. I think we owe that to the world, especially considering our country more than any other was founded on mass genocide.

Volunteer.

Originally posted by Lestov16
It is if you want a better society. Apathy to people across the world just leads to apathy here.