The High Herald Battle Royal

Originally posted by ODG
^ It doesn't matter who you're naming. The fact that you're even throwing around insults like that in a thread where my "bashing" is considered "extreme" while trying to insinuate I'm hypocritical is... hypocritical.

Even if you disagree with that, why should I be nice to arguments that I see as blatantly ignorant? At least I actually address the arguments being presented at hand and explain why I think they're blatantly ignorant.

If you think this brief tete-a-tete is going to end well, I'd implore you to consider otherwise.

lol.

amazing how you take such offence even though I wasn't aiming what I said at you, yet continue in thread after thread being adversarial and just plain aggressive.

I didn't insult anyone. I brought up an example, and if a person fit in to that category, then they were being twats in my opinion. Did I have anyone in mind? No.

So please, tell me how this will end, srank-lite.

Originally posted by Digi
Surfer's got the all-around game, and his high-end feats can go toe to toe with anyone in this fight.

Originally posted by Mindship
As I've said often in the past: for me, a CISless/PISless Surfer is nigh unimaginable in what he could do offensively: energy/matter manip, sheer brute power, etc. Even defensively, he's got shields, phasing; his own 'natural' durability has enabled him to survive multiple blows from near-Galactus-level beings.

The only thing he really brings to the table that would make the others go "eh, that's something new" is his board. And that's nowhere near enough to give him an advantage over the others.

Looking at everything, there are some people that are just as strong as the other (two planet movers on the battlefield that is also packing super speed), some people that are just as versatile as the other, and some that are pretty much the same in all areas but if you look at everything as a whole, Surfer is the complete package. Surfer hand to hand skills is underrated..the guy beat down someone that was feeding off of a planet and had a good showing against Bill and Hulk. Don't see anything wrong with people choosing Surfer for the majority...he has the ability and powerset to put him above anyone here imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Looking at everything, there are some people that are just as strong as the other (two planet movers on the battlefield that is also packing super speed), some people that are just as versatile as the other, and some that are pretty much the same in all areas but if you look at everything as a whole, Surfer is the complete package. Surfer hand to hand skills is underrated..the guy beat down someone that was feeding off of a planet and had a good showing against Bill and Hulk. Don't see anything wrong with people choosing Surfer for the majority...he has the ability and powerset to put him above anyone here imo.

Surfer is not the complete package, at all. Not when the field contains high-end superspeedsters, high-end telepathy, high-end constructs that could make a one-man-army, Mjolnir and more. He's, in the most basic sense, just another guy who is good with energy control and competitive physically, like Captain Atom, or Firestorm.

There's nothing special brought here by Surfer that would allow him to get an advantage on the others.

so what makes you think Supes win this??most of his ability..the other guys have it too..at least Surfer has everything..Supes doesn't..it's only logical for people to go for the guy who can do almost anything..

Originally posted by Philosophía
Energy manipulation? Brute power? Shields? Intangibility? Durability? You're describing half the field. And that would be great, if only he'd be the best in those areas. But he's not. Somebody like, say, Superman, shares his abilities [strength, speed etc.] with many of the field, too, but he is [b]undoubtedly the top dog in them. Surfer? Not so much[/B]

sure..he's not the top in strength..but he make it up by being able to do almost anything..Supes only have strength and speed..his strength is not so special either cuz there's Glad and Thor..they are probably not as strong but close enough to render Supes strength useless..his speed is not so special too cuz there's CA who match Flash speed and Glad..so what's so special about Supes that he'll win this??

Impossible to say exactly how the fight would go down with all these guys in a small space. I am sure given a bit of luck any one of them could win.

However I`d give Thor, Surfer and Captain Atom he best odds.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
sure..he's not the top in strength..but he make it up by being able to do almost anything..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Supes only have strength and speed..

Speed, backed by pure raw power, is one of the worst combinations in a non-CIS environment, where it basically amounts to a quick-draw. And what is quick draw for most of this field, represents relative days for Superman. In the time it takes for most to percieve "The fight has started. I'll do---" Superman would have already pushed their heads up their asses.

I haven't even began to go crazy with Superman. I could easily argue that he'd just use his speed defensively, and nobody would be able to touch him, even with his weaknesses. Red sun radiation and kryptonite radiation are limited by their respective propagation speeds - Superman would see them coming in slow motion, in a CIS off, non-PIS environment [he's done this in comics, too]. He'd dodge them. He'd vibrate through them, if they're omnidirectional. As he does that, he could uses his senses/heat vision Manchester Black style, and lobotomize opponents randomly through their eyes. [just as an example]

Originally posted by Slaanesh
cuz there's Glad and Thor..they are probably not as strong but close enough to render Supes strength useless..his speed is not so special too cuz there's CA who match Flash speed and Glad..so what's so special about Supes that he'll win this??

Originally posted by Philosophía
Almost anything? The same could be said about Captain Atom. Firestorm. Green Lantern. Let's get into specifics, and see what's so special about him.

I've mentioned strength and speed as basics, because they're the most obvious and blatantly advantage-giving ones. His speed, most of all, would allow him to nullify every ability on this field, be they the energy manipulation, intangibility and more, for the simple fact that they wouldn't be able to use it in time. Even if Clark is kind enough to let them use it, same scenario - they're nullified.

Speed, backed by pure raw power, is one of the worst combinations in a non-CIS environment, where it basically amounts to a quick-draw. And what is quick draw for most of this field, represents relative days for Superman. In the time it takes for most to percieve "The fight has started. I'll do---" Superman would have already pushed their heads up their asses.

I haven't even began to go crazy with Superman. I could easily argue that he'd just use his speed defensively, and nobody would be able to touch him, even with his weaknesses. Red sun radiation and kryptonite radiation are limited by their respective propagation speeds - Superman would see them coming in slow motion, in a CIS off, non-PIS environment [he's done this in comics, too]. He'd dodge them. He'd vibrate through them, if they're omnidirectional. As he does that, he could uses his senses/heat vision Manchester Black style, and lobotomize opponents randomly through their eyes.

How would they render useless Superman's noticeable strength advantage and blatant [overwhelmingly so, in Thor's case] speed advantage? With their face? He is the fastest on the field, by far. And by far I mean - there's two here who have high levels of superspeed nowhere near Superman, and the rest who are basically snails. Captain Atom is not as fast as Flash. Not even the recent version.

who said surfer is special??i just said he can do almost anything..which is why many people vote for him..i'm just surprise you were surprise that people vote for him..

yeah..Supes doesn't have overwhelming advantage in speed or strength..Glad can match them..Surfer can match his speed..CA match Flash speed in his comic..he and Flash were conversing with one another while everything around them stop..i agree he can overwhelm most people with his speed and strength..but not Surfer,CA,MM and Glad..and he can't even kill CA..how the hell is he going to win..

Originally posted by Mindset
Why?

Don't get me wrong. The Surfer is the overall top dog here. The problem is that he's not really a fighter at heart.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
so what makes you think Supes win this??most of his ability..the other guys have it too..at least Surfer has everything..Supes doesn't..it's only logical for people to go for the guy who can do almost anything..

I've noticed that all Superman fanboys everywhere hate the Surfer for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
who said surfer is special??i just said he can do almost anything..

Basically, you haven't said anything on why anybody would think Surfer wins. Other than the fact that he is named Surfer.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
yeah..Supes doesn't have overwhelming advantage in speed or strength..Glad can match them..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Surfer can match his speed..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
CA match Flash speed in his comic..

Also, are we cherry picking which versions of the characters we are using? I assumed this was all pre-Flashpoint.

Originally posted by Dampyre
I've noticed that all Superman fanboys everywhere hate the Surfer for obvious reasons.

You're like Justin Bieber fans.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Captain Atom can do 'almost anything', too. As does Firestorm. That goes Green Lantern, too. And Thor. In fact, Thor's energy-absorbing, plot-device hammer is tailore made to end Surfer. Amont other abilities that the 'almost anything' Surfer doesn't possess [in singificant amount] that are present on the field - such as constructs, speed, telepathy, magic.

Basically, you haven't said anything on why anybody would think Surfer wins. Other than the fact that he is named Surfer.

The weakest Superman version in Post-Crisis history matches any speed feat for Gladiator. In terms of strength feats, Gladiator can barely compete with Thor, Superman would crush them in a feat contest even if you combine all of their feats and consider them one character.

Not even close.

No, he didn't. Using superspeed alongside Flash doesn't mean matching Flash's speed. It's matching Flash's speed at the level he was using it in that moment - when you see Flash pushing himself, and Captain Atom operating at that same level of perception, get back to me.

Also, are we cherry picking which versions of the characters we are using? I assumed this was all pre-Flashpoint.

i don't know how Surfer would win..i vote for CA not Surfer..but i'm not surprise people choose surfer..

dude..surfer has speed and TP..he once search the entire planet before Strange finish his sentence if i'm not mistaken..and he spoke to everyone on a planet in Annihilator..that's planetary level TP..

Supes is nowhere near as fast as Flash either..matching Flash regular speed already put him in Supes league..

Lol at Gladiator not being able to match Superman strength and speed. Marvel has been throwing around Gladiator power level since his birth. The guy is a true light speedster with planetary strength and high end durability. If anyone on this field can beat Superman face in, it would be Gladiator. Lowballing him has become a habit on KMC.

Almost forgot...Surfer wins this.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i don't know how Surfer would win..but i'm not surprise people choose surfer..

I guess we're wired differently.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
dude..surfer has speed and TP..

Originally posted by Philosophía
Surfer doesn't possess [in singificant amount]

Originally posted by Slaanesh
[B]he once search the entire planet before Strange finish his sentence if i'm not mistaken..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
and he spoke to everyone on a planet in Annihilator..that's planetary level TP..

Originally posted by Philosophía
Surfer doesn't possess [in singificant amount]

Originally posted by Slaanesh
[B]Supes is nowhere near as fast as Flash either..matching Flash regular speed already put him in Supes league..

Wow.

There is no 'Flash regular speed'. Flash uses as much speed as he needs for every situations - in that instance, him and Captain Atom were casually talking, while bullet timing. That puts Captain Atom's reactions at hypersonic, which is so far below the top ones in this thread it's not even worth mentioning.

Again: are you cherry picking the versions of characters that we are using? As in, DCnU Captain Atom, Pre-Flashpoint Superman and whatever floats your boat? 🙂

The 3 choices for this battle is Superman, Thor, Surfer "but" there are others that could come out on top as well (Gladiator and Nova Prime). This is basically a toss up.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't see how surfer logically wins this, either, and that makes me question other people's opinions.

I guess we're wired differently.

Yes, but like I said:

Unless you're saying that Silver Surfer, a character with cosmic senses, flew in every house, cave, hole and physically looked for he was searching for, then this is a feat for his flight speed and senses.

Again:

Martian Manhunter has forcibly put the entire Justice League + Spectre inside Joker's head. When you have something that shows Surfer is capable of using telepathy in a manner that would make people here bat an eyelid, let me know.
(I'd also like scan, or issue number for that feat)

😂

Wow.

There is no 'Flash regular speed'. Flash uses as much speed as he needs for every situations - in that instance, him and Captain Atom were casually talking, while bullet timing. That puts Captain Atom's reactions at hypersonic, which is so far below the top ones in this thread it's not even worth mentioning.

Again: are you cherry picking the versions of characters that we are using? As in, DCnU Captain Atom, Pre-Flashpoint Superman and whatever floats your boat? 🙂

you don't see why people choose Surfer..but u choose Supes..someone with less ability..that's more illogical than people choosing Surfer..

i don't know..but he was gone and said he couldn't find whoever he's looking..that is speed..i don't care if u agree or not..but that to me is speed and it can match Supes..

he use planetary level TP..Supes doesn't even have TP..why the hell do u want to see a better one?? 😐

ok..i'm not sure how fast CA and Flash was going but he was fast..even if that is not as fast as Supes..the guy can control time..who cares about speed when u can control time..

i don't care which Supes u use..i use current CA..pre flashpoint Supes is nowhere near as fast as Flash..DCnU Supes isn't as fast as Flash either..

Originally posted by Philosophía
I agree that he is formidable, that was never in contention. But even taking speedblitz out, how is he going to win, with multiple people on the field having similar abilities [Captain Atom, Firestorm, Green Lantern], some people being capable of flat-out plowing and overpowering him [Superman, Thor] and other bringing, in a CIS-less environment, things that would greatly give him problems [J'onn]? Let's not forget, like I said, that he is one of the main targets, along with Superman and Thor. So the moment this shit starts, people are going to be firecely going to start and try to plow him and the other two up the ass.

I don't want to get painted into a corner defending Norrin too much. I voted Thor in this fight.

Similar abilities is not saying the same thing as "just as powerful." Unless we cherry-pick, Surfer's collective history trumps the 3 you mention as being similar.

And again, I think who decides to fight who and strategy is entirely moot in this setting. The laughably limited battlefield makes such decisions irrelevant. In an open environment, we'd have more to discuss.