Originally posted by KingD19If we've never seen it then it isn't an option. It's simple. I don't give a crap about how upset this makes you.
😐Force Choke is the direct application of Force TK by squeezing it around an opponents neck like an invisible hand. How did you think they performed it? And yeah, we've seen Anakin and Obi-Wan Force push against each other and get knocked to the other side of the room by the shockwave. We've also seen people get rag dolled by Force TK, and the sheer weight Force TK can move. Like an X-Wing, or a multiple ton manifold, or senate pods. To say they can't break a neck simply by squeezing is reaching on your part.
And Voldemort never did that exact combo you guys keep bringing up, but we know he can do it. We know if Anakin wanted to, he could pull the same thing off. He's easily strong enough as even through simple line of sight, he Force Choked someone light years away.
Voldemort demonstrated both abilities on screen. That makes it an option. No one ever snapped necks on screen so it doesn't make it an option.
Anakin can't force choke people to death with tk powers to counter it. See Obi. How did Anakin fare at the end of the battle ?
Originally posted by Lestov16
So now force-precog can tag teleporters? 😆 Give me a break. If a few clone troopers could overwhelm them, teleporting wizards and a (five?) giant fire-snake(s) definitely will.
So, you can't provide an example of the Wizards actually using the tactic that you're arguing will allow them to win?
Originally posted by quanchi112
If we've never seen it then it isn't an option. It's simple. I don't give a crap about how upset this makes you.Voldemort demonstrated both abilities on screen. That makes it an option. No one ever snapped necks on screen so it doesn't make it an option.
Anakin can't force choke people to death with tk powers to counter it. See Obi. How did Anakin fare at the end of the battle ?
I'm not upset. You're the one flying off the handle and getting angry.
Just because no one snapped any necks doesn't mean they lack the ability to do so. Anakin used Force Crush. On Screen. He can use it again. Force Choke is used on screen, they only have to apply a bit more force to break a neck. It's just a higher level usage of a shown ability.
And seriously? Anakin didn't try to use Force Choke on Obi-Wan. They were fighting each other and used Force Push, Force TK, not Force Choke.
Oh, and Anakin lost because he was so blinded by rage, he lost his tactical reasoning. Obi-Wan is one of the best defensive Jedi Fighters in history, and he had the high ground. To even attempt to jump up there was dumb.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, I'm asking for you to provide an example of the Wizards actually using the tactic that you're arguing will allow them to win.
😐 Your pathetic attempt at gimping the wizard's battle tactics, when they undisputedly have a wide range of abilities and tactics to choose from, isn't going to work. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Originally posted by Lestov16
😐 Your pathetic attempt at gimping the wizard's battle tactics, when they undisputedly have a wide range of abilities and tactics to choose from, isn't going to work. Stop embarrassing yourself.
So, you can't provide an example of the Wizards actually using the tactic that you're arguing will allow them to win?
Originally posted by Lestov16
So now force-precog can tag teleporters? 😆 Give me a break. If a few clone troopers could overwhelm them, teleporting wizards and a (five?) giant fire-snake(s) definitely will.
It's the ability to see something before it happens and they have the enhanced speed to react to it. As Qui-Gon said in EP1 "it's a Jedi trait."
Do argue against stated and shown canon.
Originally posted by KingD19It's not in character nor has it ever happened. You can't just make up attacks for one side then this becomes a powerset debate.
I'm not upset. You're the one flying off the handle and getting angry.Just because no one snapped any necks doesn't mean they lack the ability to do so. Anakin used Force Crush. On Screen. He can use it again. Force Choke is used on screen, they only have to apply a bit more force to break a neck. It's just a higher level usage of a shown ability.
And seriously? Anakin didn't try to use Force Choke on Obi-Wan. They were fighting each other and used Force Push, Force TK, not Force Choke.
Oh, and Anakin lost because he was so blinded by rage, he lost his tactical reasoning. Obi-Wan is one of the best defensive Jedi Fighters in history, and he had the high ground. To even attempt to jump up there was dumb.
If Anakin can easily force choke to death his opponents why hasn't he ever done so to one with force powers ? Answer:he cannot.
I agree Anakin is a moron and is stupid. He lost to an inferior opponent and to an opponent who told him not to jump. Anakin is notoriously stupid and emotional. I can see why robtard likes him. Common ground.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They can force choke; sure. The wizards can counter with their own tk. They aren't breaking necks though since they have never done so on screen.
LoL, love how quickly you conceded that stupid point. You're learning, clown. Robtard will teach you proper debating.
Proof the wizards can counter Force choke with their telekinesis, especially when they'll be frantically grasping for air and will be knocked out in a few seconds, as seen in RoTJ.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He doesn't seem to grasp that I'm using his side's arguement style against him.
He really doesn't.
And lol, Quan. Make up attacks?
He used Force Crush. Just because he never used it on anybody doesn't mean he's incapable of doing so. Voldemort never used Flipendo on somebody. You think he can't?
And Anakin never force choked his opponents as Anakin because he only used the power when he truly fell to the Dark Side in RoTJ, and after that he used it as an intimidation tactic.
Originally posted by RobtardI never said they couldn't force choke I said they can't break necks. I am always consistent and objective unlike yourself. Watch the rots scene where Anakin and Obi both use force push on each other until they ultimately both fly back. Vader's victims can't fight back unlike the hp wizards. I already told you this.
LoL, love how quickly you conceded that stupid point. You're learning, clown. Robtard will teach you proper debating.Proof the wizards can counter Force choke with their telekinesis, especially when they'll be frantically grasping for air and will be knocked out in a few seconds, as seen in RoTJ.
Originally posted by KingD19The dude was force choking the very reason he turned to the dark side you fool. Watch rots because you obviously haven't.
He really doesn't.And lol, Quan. Make up attacks?
He used Force Crush. Just because he never used it on anybody doesn't mean he's incapable of doing so. Voldemort never used Flipendo on somebody. You think he can't?
And Anakin never force choked his opponents as Anakin because he only used the power when he truly fell to the Dark Side in RoTJ, and after that he used it as an intimidation tactic.
I don't argue things or tactics never used on screen. Not saying any of them can't I am saying they won't due to it being out of character and based entirely on speculation.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you can't provide an example of the Wizards actually using the tactic that you're arguing will allow them to win?
I already did. I posted a video showing Voldemort can teleport behind people mid-battle, and I posted a video showing Voldemort can cast Fiendfyre in a second without a spell or wand. Stop being dense and put 2 and 2 together.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's the ability to see something before it happens and they have the enhanced speed to react to it.
Too bad, as you have stated, that it is not infallible and has failed the Jedi on several occasions. Wizards teleporting behind them and distracting them with 1-5 giant fire-snakes will definitely phuck up their precog
Originally posted by Silent Master
He doesn't seem to grasp that I'm using his side's arguement style against him.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to debate logically. I wasn't aware you were just trying to spite quanchi, like an immature child 🙄