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Re: Kas'im vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi
Originally posted by -kV-It's pretty hard to see how Obi-Wan is going to defeat skills like these.
The two legendary lightsaber masters fight in the Geonosis arena. Who wins? (My bad if this thread has been made before)
Originally posted by -kV-
Why?
Primarily, I would say it's because Kas'im was pretty much the top lightsaber user of his time, rivaled only by Bane and Raskta Lsu, while Obi-wan was generally around 5th of the Clone War era (Windu, Palps, Yoda, Anakin, Obi-wan). Nor does Kas'im suffer the overconfidence flaw Anakin had.
Though honestly I would see it as a pretty epic battle when Kenobi's at his absolute peak.
Originally posted by Q99
Primarily, I would say it's because Kas'im was pretty much the top lightsaber user of his time, rivaled only by Bane and Raskta Lsu, while Obi-wan was generally around 5th of the Clone War era (Windu, Palps, Yoda, Anakin, Obi-wan).
I hope not, because this is tenuous logic at best. Obi-Wan's lower rank relative to his era's powerhouses does not necessarily lend itself to the notion that he would lose to Kas'im.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
It pretty obvious Kas'im takes this. Neither is themforce powerhouse like say, as Yoda or Qui-Gon Jinn. is aBut Kas'im is maybe the most skilled lightsaber user ever, whereas Obi-Wan was a great master of Soresu but not really anywhere near that caliber.,
Ever? Don't think I can co-sign that one, though he certainly was good. It comes down to whether or not Obi-Wan can defend himself well enough to take Kas'im when he slips and leaves an opening. At his most aggressive Kas'im may be able to overwhelm in this battle.
Really it's a matter of interpretation but I would honestly thing Kas'im would be able to make shorter work of Grevious due to his direct style, and in that I see him as being beyond the prowess of Obi-wan.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I hope not, because this is tenuous logic at best. Obi-Wan's lower rank relative to his era's powerhouses does not necessarily lend itself to the notion that he would lose to Kas'im.
Well, some eras will be a bit stronger or weaker than others in different areas, the clone wars are noted for their strong saber skills, but still, in general, comparing in-era rank isn't a bad starting point to get a rough idea. I mean, it's not like there's much in the way of direct comparisons to use between eras by their very nature.
If the two are relatively close, then it's best to look at other factors. But a best-in-the-era is rarely going to lose to someone half a dozen down unless their particular era had particularly weak saber dueling, which the late New Sith Wars era wasn't.
The two are both acclimated to lightsaber combat; Kas'im by his era and Kenobi by his rivals (Ventress, Savage). Ultimately, the battle will revolve around physical abilities and technical proficiency. The Stover novelization provides a high bar for Kenobi's abilities; in both the Dooku and Greivous duels, his channeling of the Force are described with very high-level claims. Twenty strikes per second and uniquely-notable unity with the Force are details which come to mind. External manipulation of the Force will likely not be a deciding factor, given that while Kas'im has been shown to have a particularly resilient telekinetic defense, no mention of aggressive usage is made by Drew's book. Meanwhile, Kenobi has demonstrated a similarly potent defense, but as a Jedi is unlikely to attack with the Force.
If strength in the Force is removed from consideration, Kas'im has to be declared the victor. His character consists of two things: Gruff mentorship of Bane, and technical proficiency. His intimate familiarity with lightsaber combat and penchant for fighting other Force users regardless of respective midichlorian count suggest that in all of the areas where combat is likely to occur, he is Kenobi's superior. In the rest, Kenobi's advantages are insufficient to turn the tables.
Originally posted by Zampanówhen u say he has a penchant for fighting force users regardless of etc.. who r u referring to. I'm not arguing it, it's just it's been a while since I read PoD and I don't remember him fighting anyone remotely noteworthy, except bane. And when he fought bane he pretty much got dominated until he switched to dual wield and that only gave him the advantage because bane had no experience fighting with or against it and no knowledge of the form or style. If bane had even a basic knowledge of it I don't see why he wouldn't have dominated him like he did the first half of the fight.
The two are both acclimated to lightsaber combat; Kas'im by his era and Kenobi by his rivals (Ventress, Savage). Ultimately, the battle will revolve around physical abilities and technical proficiency. The Stover novelization provides a high bar for Kenobi's abilities; in both the Dooku and Greivous duels, his channeling of the Force are described with very high-level claims. Twenty strikes per second and uniquely-notable unity with the Force are details which come to mind. External manipulation of the Force will likely not be a deciding factor, given that while Kas'im has been shown to have a particularly resilient telekinetic defense, no mention of aggressive usage is made by Drew's book. Meanwhile, Kenobi has demonstrated a similarly potent defense, but as a Jedi is unlikely to attack with the Force.If strength in the Force is removed from consideration, Kas'im has to be declared the victor. His character consists of two things: Gruff mentorship of Bane, and technical proficiency. His intimate familiarity with lightsaber combat and penchant for fighting other Force users regardless of respective midichlorian count suggest that in all of the areas where combat is likely to occur, he is Kenobi's superior. In the rest, Kenobi's advantages are insufficient to turn the tables.
I'm just kidding with this a bit but wouldn't this edited paragraph be just as true as the original version?
If strength in the Force is removed from consideration, obi-wan has to be declared the victor. His character consists of two things: Gruff mentorship of Anakin, and technical proficiency. His intimate familiarity with lightsaber combat and penchant for fighting other Force users regardless of respective midichlorian count suggest that in all of the areas where combat is likely to occur, he is Kas'ims superior. In the rest, Kas'ims advantages are insufficient to turn the tables.
It will be absurdly difficult for Kas'im, but he can win. Personally, I can see him losing a limb in order to take down Kenobi.
Keep in mind that Kas'im is also so highly accredited because of how he fights. He straight out says that most people will not know how to fight a double bladed saber, and that is why he wins so much. Then he goes on to losing that part of the fight to Bane (Who is only a moderate-level saber user) until he swaps to two blades. However, Kenobi has experience fighting all of these weapons. That , combined with his prodigious defensive ability, means Kas'im will have to resort to some really unorthodox things.
All in all, I would say 5/10 or 6/10 for Kas'im.
Rookwood, that is a terrible line of argument.
Pwned, I don't think it's fair to say that Kas'im was only victorious because of his weapon type. His familiarity with all styles and ease in switching from one combination to the next is listed as the root of his skill; it is only against Bane's precognition that he needed the advantage of an unfamiliar weapon.
Mortis has summarized my argument, but I'll explain a little bit more:
wouldn't this edited paragraph be just as true as the original version
This is not to say that mere shallowness is enough to win a character a duel, but Kas'im has certainly specialized much more narrowly than Kenobi. In the realm of lightsaber combat, he is the undisputed expert of the two. Notably, Kenobi has been shown to master one form, while Kas'im has mastered and innovated all of them.
Since you agree that lightsaber prowess is the deciding factor, Kas'im the Magnificent is the likely victor.