Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by quanchi112
Special features of the films said Voldemort is the greatest wizard. Films only, buddy. Books are different, turd.

Author no matter what has higher say than anything. Whatever happens in the films she knows about, especially duels like this. While she wasn't directing she sure as hell knew what was going on about most things. So whatever anyone else says, JK Rowling is the equivalent to George Lucas/Disney whoever you want to role with. She is the ultimate cannon books movies role playing games what ever, she is the top. Just accept the fact that voldemort is 2nd best.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh my. You actually went there. You basically just said, well this guy did some pretty cool stuff that was like never seen by another wizard, but it was weak and dint mean anything. Manipulating water in that fashion takes concentration, very strong concentration I might add. Expelliarmius was pushing voldemorts curse back that's why he used Fiendfyre. Then Dumbledore took care of that and it's said in the description that he manipulated the fire to his will and launched it back at Voldemort. Taking on anything voldemort can throw at you and counter it like he did and live to talk about it, not being tired it definitely shows you are powerful and being the last one standing.

Dumbledore was not scared. The look on his face on Fiemdfyre was seeing a huge flaming snake and trying to protect Harry. That was caution not fear. Voldemort was scared. At the end of the duel, did you see his face. That was fear, he was thinking, I can't kill you, what power do you posses. That why he attempted to protect Harry instead of continuing the duel. Why would they be afraid of dumbledore, he was on their side, voldemort wasn't. Dumbledore didn't go around killing people he went around helping and when they thought he was crazy they were scared. There is proof for that.

Dumbledore was on the defensive because he was trying to keep Harry alive. So you are basically saying that Dumbledore can't do that. Firestorm comes to mind. The fire he created with his mind in The Half Blood Prince. Also if voldemort feared him, he definitely had a lot more tricks up his sleeve. Ev

erything voldemort threw at Dumbledore, he could take and even return. Voldemort on the other hand ran out of tricks and was afraid. You are supporting the wrong/losing side.

He looked scared to me. He apwas especially sacred after he possessed Harry. Voldemort looked annoyed and changed tactics. Fear does not look like that at all. The minister of magic shit his pants at the sight of Voldemort. He wanted Dumbledore arrested so at that point he was not on his side. He showed no fear whatesover. Voldemort scared the absolute **** out of the entire wizarding world. They wouldn't even say his name. Dumbledore isn't in the same realm when it comes to people fearing him.

I am saying Voldemort dictated the majority of the fight. Dumbledore also protected Harry in half blood prince and he was attacking as well just like he attacked Voldemort. 🙂

Voldemort never ran out of tricks since we see greater feats and a greater range of abilities against Dumbledore. He possessed Harry and Dumbledore could not prevent this. He was greater than Dumbledore. The firestorm was not greater than the sixty foot fiery serpent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it wasn't anything special. He showed extreme proficiency and skill with his wand. I just said it was not a greater show of power. It does show you will be the last one standing it shows you countered. Voldemort broke free from the water bubble and countered with his dark magic which put Dumbledore into the supine position.

He looked scared to me. He apwas especially sacred after he possessed Harry. Voldemort looked annoyed and changed tactics. Fear does not look like that at all. The minister of magic shit his pants at the sight of Voldemort. He wanted Dumbledore arrested so at that point he was not on his side. He showed no fear whatesover. Voldemort scared the absolute **** out of the entire wizarding world. They wouldn't even say his name. Dumbledore isn't in the same realm when it comes to people fearing him.

I am saying Voldemort dictated the majority of the fight. Dumbledore also protected Harry in half blood prince and he was attacking as well just like he attacked Voldemort. 🙂

Voldemort never ran out of tricks since we see greater feats and a greater range of abilities against Dumbledore. He possessed Harry and Dumbledore could not prevent this. He was greater than Dumbledore. The firestorm was not greater than the sixty foot fiery serpent.

That's what you basically said. Saying it wasn't that powerful of a spell. You are calling du,bled ore a third rate wizard when he is clearly the most powerful wizard of all time. Ok you clueless cross Brian idiot. Anyone who has watched that duel knows that if Harry would have just stayed back Dumbledore would have drowned voldemort. Manipulating the water is an impressive feat. The entire duel on both sides was impressive. However Dumbledore is the superior wizard. As he was on the defense the most, he was able to take any and all attacks brought forth by voldemort. The same can't be said for voldemort.

Fudge was upset. He now had to admit that voldemort was back. I'm not questioning the fear that voldemort implants on others, I'm just saying he doesn't scare Dumbledore to the extent you make it out to be. Dumbledore clearly is the better wizard as stated numerous times by the author, Harry Potter, and his credentials and other accomplishments.

Well when you are on the defensive it does appear that way. However when dudmbledore did attack it worked and was about to kill voldemort. So Dumbleodre wins. Get over it. You can't compete in this. The author has clearly stated that Dumbledore is the greatest not voldemort.

Actually he did run out of tricks. Everything he could have employed he did, and guess what. Dumbledore blocked it all. Dumbledore is the greatest wizard of all time, voldemort isn't get over it. Firestorm is actually better than that snake. It was a gigantic firestorm vs a 60ft snake. Both are impressive but dumbledores is much better.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That's what you basically said. Saying it wasn't that powerful of a spell. You are calling du,bled ore a third rate wizard when he is clearly the most powerful wizard of all time. Ok you clueless cross Brian idiot. Anyone who has watched that duel knows that if Harry would have just stayed back Dumbledore would have drowned voldemort. Manipulating the water is an impressive feat. The entire duel on both sides was impressive. However Dumbledore is the superior wizard. As he was on the defense the most, he was able to take any and all attacks brought forth by voldemort. The same can't be said for voldemort.

Fudge was upset. He now had to admit that voldemort was back. I'm not questioning the fear that voldemort implants on others, I'm just saying he doesn't scare Dumbledore to the extent you make it out to be. Dumbledore clearly is the better wizard as stated numerous times by the author, Harry Potter, and his credentials and other accomplishments.

Well when you are on the defensive it does appear that way. However when dudmbledore did attack it worked and was about to kill voldemort. So Dumbleodre wins. Get over it. You can't compete in this. The author has clearly stated that Dumbledore is the greatest not voldemort.

Actually he did run out of tricks. Everything he could have employed he did, and guess what. Du,bled ore blocked it all. Dumbledore is the greatest wizard of all time, voldemort isn't get over it.

False. We see Voldemort move forward and Dumbledore kneeing he was about to break free tk'd Harry backward. Why in earth would Dumbledore let him break free if he could have drowned him. Try making sense of that scene logically and not biased.

What ? Voldemort dictated the tempo of the duel due to being a greater wizard.

This isn't the books so quit referencing them. In the special features Voldemort let was stated as the greatest wizards.

#gothim

Voldemort possessed Harry while Dumbledore looked petrified and watched on. Voldemort took it to him despite Dumbledore needing the most powerful wand ever to compete against lord Voldemort.

Dumbledore died because he was an idiot and tampered with Voldy dark magic. What a pity. Poor dumb old coot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am saying in that fight Voldemort clearly looked more powerful. He also had more impressive feats in the films. Voldemort was clearly the greatest wizard of the films. Films are not the same as the books.

False. We see Voldemort move forward and Dumbledore kneeing he was about to break free tk'd Harry backward. Why in earth would Dumbledore let him break free if he could have drowned him. Try making sense of that scene logically and not biased.

What ? Voldemort dictated the tempo of the duel due to being a greater wizard.

This isn't the books so quit referencing them. In the special features Voldemort let was stated as the greatest wizards.

#gothim

Voldemort possessed Harry while Dumbledore looked petrified and watched on. Voldemort took it to him despite Dumbledore needing the most powerful wand ever to compete against lord Voldemort.

Dumbledore died because he was an idiot and tampered with Voldy dark magic. What a pity. Poor dumb old coot.

How dumb are you exactly. I don't know how voldemort looked more powerful. All sources call that battle a stalemate but voldemort was the one who was running. That's just fact. Horcurxes don't count for 1v1. What feats does he have that are seen in the movies that puts him above Dumbledore. Dumbledore matched him spell for spell. In their duel no one gained an edge until the water spell.

What? If you can't hold the concentration than you can't hold it anymore. Dumbledore was just fine until Harry got to close. If you need complete focus and then someone who you want way behind you farther from the duel is getting closer you put him back thus breaking his concentration. Fix your logic.

He was on the offensive. So really he dictated it because he was,on the offensive. Also it's not like he was dragging Dumbledore wherever he wanted so really no one dictated the battle.

The author is the movies. She made the books yes but these movies are based off of the books. Also no matter what the creator of this universe in the books and movies has stated Dumbleodre is the most powerful wizard. Special features have to follow what the creator says and she says that Dumbledore is greater.

He couldn't do anything that's why Dumbledore had snake train him in occlumemcy. You apparently can't interfere. Also what do you call all that talking Dumbleodre did, it led Harry through the mental attack.

You apparently know very little about Harry Potter. He was killed by snake. If you watched the last movie there is an entire section that explains this. Yes he was going to die anyway but he chose his own death. He did it to save dracos sole, to get voldemort to trust shape more and other reasons named in the last movie.

You have no real proof that voldemort is better than Dumbleodre just your opinion.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How dumb are you exactly. I don't know how voldemort looked more powerful. All sources call that battle a stalemate but voldemort was the one who was running. That's just fact. Horcurxes don't count for 1v1. What feats does he have that are seen in the movies that puts him above Dumbledore. Dumbledore matched him spell for spell. In their duel no one gained an edge until the water spell.

What? If you can't hold the concentration than you can't hold it anymore. Dumbledore was just fine until Harry got to close. If you need complete focus and then someone who you want way behind you farther from the duel is getting closer you put him back thus breaking his concentration. Fix your logic.

He was on the offensive. So really he dictated it because he was,on the offensive. Also it's not like he was dragging Dumbledore wherever he wanted so really no one dictated the battle.

The author is the movies. She made the books yes but these movies are based off of the books. Also no matter what the creator of this universe in the books and movies has stated Dumbleodre is the most powerful wizard. Special features have to follow what the creator says and she says that Dumbledore is greater.

He couldn't do anything that's why Dumbledore had snake train him in occlumemcy. You apparently can't interfere. Also what do you call all that talking Dumbleodre did, it led Harry through the mental attack.

You apparently know very little about Harry Potter. He was killed by snake. If you watched the last movie there is an entire section that explains this. Yes he was going to die anyway but he chose his own death. He did it to save dracos sole, to get voldemort to trust shape more and other reasons named in the last movie.

You have no real proof that voldemort is better than Dumbleodre just your opinion.

No, that doesn't make any sense. Voldemort clearly moves forward and Dumbledore reacts because he knows Voldemort is going to break free. What you're saying is Dumbledore is stupid and allowed Voldemort to break free and doing something to move Harry when he had him dead to rights. It makes no sense and actually makes him look idiotic. 😂

Voldemort was on the offensive for the majority whereas Dumbledore was on via water bubble. That was it because Voldemort dictated the tempo.
🙂

No movies do not have to follow anything. They stated Voldemort is the greatest wizard. Films only. Book evidence is against the rules here, sport. Based off her books not exact copies. Voldemort is the best.

Dumbledore was powerless and needed to talk to him and help him along with his friends mentally. Power wise he was powerless to stop him. Kind of like him avoiding the death sentence for screwing with the greatest wizards dark magic.

Snape killed him because he needed to get Voldemorts trust. Point is albums was already fated to die regardless because he was an idiot and ****ed with Voldy dark magic. Facts.

Feats, duel, special features statements.

You have nothing. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort displayed far greater feats of power in their duel than Dumbledore. Manipulating water isn't as impressive as creating a sixty foot fiery serpent. Destroying the hogwarts shield. Dark magic shattering all the glass and knocking albums in his old keyster. You called Dumbledore the greatest wizard yet voldemorts dark magic gave him a death sentence. 😂 😂

No, that doesn't make any sense. Voldemort clearly moves forward and Dumbledore reacts because he knows Voldemort is going to break free. What you're saying is Dumbledore is stupid and allowed Voldemort to break free and doing something to move Harry when he had him dead to rights. It makes no sense and actually makes him look idiotic. 😂

Voldemort was on the offensive for the majority whereas Dumbledore was on via water bubble. That was it because Voldemort dictated the tempo.
🙂

No movies do not have to follow anything. They stated Voldemort is the greatest wizard. Films only. Book evidence is against the rules here, sport. Based off her books not exact copies. Voldemort is the best.

Dumbledore was powerless and needed to talk to him and help him along with his friends mentally. Power wise he was powerless to stop him. Kind of like him avoiding the death sentence for screwing with the greatest wizards dark magic.

Snape killed him because he needed to get Voldemorts trust. Point is albums was already fated to die regardless because he was an idiot and ****ed with Voldy dark magic. Facts.

Feats, duel, special features statements.

You have nothing. 🙂

Firestorm is definitely better than what voldemort did. Breaking a shield that was already battered by several other deatheaters. It's not like Dumbledore is a knight with armor but knocking him on his butt is not an impressive feat, neither is breaking all the glass. If you noticed when he did that's all that glass, Dumbledore turned it all into sand. When he shot the dark energy blast, Dumbleodre blocked that, when he made the fire snake, Dumbledore destroyed that, and maipukated it to blast back at voldemort. The expelliarmius vs a ads kedavra, while he was jetting out the curses at Harry to no avail dumbledore was then gaining ground that's why he then made his fire snake. So with that Dumbledore can match voldemort feats since Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard of all time.

It's clearly stated in the description of the battle that Harry got to close to the battle and Dumbledore wanted him to stay back thus necessarily him to break his concentration for a second and with voldemorts slashing those two things combined caused him to just let the bubble go. Du,blended is one if not the most intelligent wizards of his time, however he doesn't know all and can make mistakes.

Yes because Dumbledore was protecting Harry and doing that would require you to stay on the defensive. So voldemort was not directing the battle of he were he would have won. The battle was him attacking with Dumbleodre defending. Every spell Dumbledore blocked. So in this duel how do you believe Dumbledore is 2nd best again?

JK Rowling is the supreme being. If they didn't have to follow anything than why did they take the ideas of the movies. They are based off the books so they adapt what they have. However they do change a few things and cut things out for time sakes, and to make the battle look more flashy and spectacular. JK Rowling is the official source for movies and books. She says Dumbledore is the greatest so that's the fact and final truth. Also said in the movies that Dumbledore is the greatest.

No one can interfere with occlumemcy on the outside. It's between them and that person. Dumbledore was able to do what he did and help harry along thank you for conceding that. Actually what he did lead to the death of voldemort. So Dumbledore is clearly the greatest wizard.

Re watch the last movie is all I can say to this.

Author, feats, duel, movies. Dumbledore is clearly the greatest wizard. If the two fought again with no horcurxes in the same location and voldemort running away Dumbledore is going to win.

Dumbledore sh_t stomps.

Anyone that says otherwise is Quan 131

hahahahah nice

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Firestorm is definitely better than what voldemort did. Breaking a shield that was already battered by several other deatheaters. It's not like Dumbledore is a knight with armor but knocking him on his butt is not an impressive feat, neither is breaking all the glass. If you noticed when he did that's all that glass, Dumbledore turned it all into sand. When he shot the dark energy blast, Dumbleodre blocked that, when he made the fire snake, Dumbledore destroyed that, and maipukated it to blast back at voldemort. The expelliarmius vs a ads kedavra, while he was jetting out the curses at Harry to no avail dumbledore was then gaining ground that's why he then made his fire snake. So with that Dumbledore can match voldemort feats since Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard of all time.

It's clearly stated in the description of the battle that Harry got to close to the battle and Dumbledore wanted him to stay back thus necessarily him to break his concentration for a second and with voldemorts slashing those two things combined caused him to just let the bubble go. Du,blended is one if not the most intelligent wizards of his time, however he doesn't know all and can make mistakes.

Yes because Dumbledore was protecting Harry and doing that would require you to stay on the defensive. So voldemort was not directing the battle of he were he would have won. The battle was him attacking with Dumbleodre defending. Every spell Dumbledore blocked. So in this duel how do you believe Dumbledore is 2nd best again?

JK Rowling is the supreme being. If they didn't have to follow anything than why did they take the ideas of the movies. They are based off the books so they adapt what they have. However they do change a few things and cut things out for time sakes, and to make the battle look more flashy and spectacular. JK Rowling is the official source for movies and books. She says Dumbledore is the greatest so that's the fact and final truth. Also said in the movies that Dumbledore is the greatest.

No one can interfere with occlumemcy on the outside. It's between them and that person. Dumbledore was able to do what he did and help harry along thank you for conceding that. Actually what he did lead to the death of voldemort. So Dumbledore is clearly the greatest wizard.

Re watch the last movie is all I can say to this.

Author, feats, duel, movies. Dumbledore is clearly the greatest wizard. If the two fought again with no horcurxes in the same location and voldemort running away Dumbledore is going to win.

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you are honoured sir, you are honoured

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I explained the common theme in Dumbledore protecting Harry and trying to destroy those who threatened him.

Your immature tactics won't save your piss poor debating.

What ?

Fleeing a fight is cowardice. He did try his best and let his friends die for him. Voldemort pointed this out in the films. Voldemort wanted a one on one battle and refused help. That's called being a man but you'd rather let your friends die and avoid a one on one fight. Very telling.m

Voldemort defeated him. Harry needed saving.

You apparently don't know the meaning of the word.

Misdirection attempt failed.

You bringing up rob in hopes of someone feeling pity for you will never work. Stop trying

You know what.

Harry beat Vold several times. Vold is a superior duelist compared to Harry yet he still failed to seal the deal. The child outwitted him time and time again. That's incompetence 101

Vold lost and fled. Sad

Concession accepted

Originally posted by juggerman
Misdirection attempt failed.

You bringing up rob in hopes of someone feeling pity for you will never work. Stop trying

You know what.

Harry beat Vold several times. Vold is a superior duelist compared to Harry yet he still failed to seal the deal. The child outwitted him time and time again. That's incompetence 101

Vold lost and fled. Sad

Concession accepted

You acting as childish as him is what you always regress to sooner or later.

Running and fleeing isn't winning, having others fight for you and plan to help you isn't on Harry. Snape protected him the entire time and had a well orchestrated plan with Albus because the boy needed the aid. His own mother died for him.

False. Disarming a wizard is winning and then Dumbledore showed up to protect him. You believing Harry won is another Rob tactic.

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Special features of the films said Voldemort is the greatest wizard. Films only, buddy. Books are different, turd.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
WUT?? She was the main person consulted on the movie and had creative designs and input on how the movies would be made. After all they are based DIRETLY on the books. So yeah, her opinion is worth more than special features and certainly worth more than your opinion

Does based on translate to exactly the same ? No, films only here.

Markus says so. That's with a "k," wiki warrior.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I cited evidence whereas you saying nah uh isn't a valid counter.

You acting as childish as him is what you always regress to sooner or later.

Running and fleeing isn't winning, having others fight for you and plan to help you isn't on Harry. Snape protected him the entire time and had a well orchestrated plan with Albus because the boy needed the aid. His own mother died for him.

False. Disarming a wizard is winning and then Dumbledore showed up to protect him. You believing Harry won is another Rob tactic.

You're an idiot.

It's not valid since it's completely different.

You bringin up your butt hurtness about other posters is childish. Man up and stop letting rob ruin your life

Harry goal was to live while Vold's goal was to kill him. Who succeeded? And I'm glad you brought up Snape as it goes to show how Vold was manipulated so easily for so long!

I never said he won the duel, I said he won when Vold tried to possess his mind. Then Vold tried to save face after getting his ass handed to him by a child yet again with his "urm, well I just lost my attempt to overpower you but ummm... you still suck!" He was just being a sore loser. No wonder you like him so much

Concession accepted

Originally posted by juggerman
You bringin up your butt hurtness about other posters is childish. Man up and stop letting rob ruin your life

For the record, it was never my intention to ruin his life. It's actually a shame he's now stuck in a perpetual loop of pain and rage, never progressing as a person.

Originally posted by Robtard
For the record, it was never my intention to ruin his life. It's actually a shame he's now stuck in a perpetual loop of pain and rage, never progressing as a person.

I'm really starting to think you need to be brought up on charges for this stuff. Whatever you did to him HAD to be criminal

Originally posted by The_Tempest
A big lol @ the idea that either will stomp.

Yes, Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore. That's been a recurring truth in both the books and movies. No, that doesn't necessarily mean Dumbledore would win. In the fight, it was pretty even.

One thing is Voldemort didn't seem afraid though. Cautious..but not afraid. Oh yes others would say Voldemort always feared him, and it might of been true, I'm just saying nothing we saw Voldemort ever do specifically indicated that. He didn't hesitate to try to fight Dumbledore, he could of just fled right then and there.

Hell, it was pretty ballsy of him to even ask for a job in the past. Not only did he ask for a job, the guy *brought a piece of his soul* along with him and hid it in the very place Dumbledore was in charge of.

Originally posted by juggerman
It's not valid since it's completely different.

You bringin up your butt hurtness about other posters is childish. Man up and stop letting rob ruin your life

Harry goal was to live while Vold's goal was to kill him. Who succeeded? And I'm glad you brought up Snape as it goes to show how Vold was manipulated so easily for so long!

I never said he won the duel, I said he won when Vold tried to possess his mind. Then Vold tried to save face after getting his ass handed to him by a child yet again with his "urm, well I just lost my attempt to overpower you but ummm... you still suck!" He was just being a sore loser. No wonder you like him so much

Concession accepted

I brought up you acting ridiculous like him and making shit up. Act like an adult and get treated like one. Act like a child and get called Roberta.

Harry did live but did so with others aid. Voldemort let wouldn't accept others aid against him. We even see Belltarix ask for permission and he flat out denies her. If you ignore context and Harry fleeing like he's some champion then you're an idiot.

Voldemort killed Snape. 😂 Voldemort still came after Harry. He still imposed his will on the wizarding world. Dumbledore went down. Voldemort rose to power despite the ministry of magic actively opposing him.

Harry resisted him due to the inspiration and words of Dumbledore and friends. He mocked Harry at what he stood for while he was helpless on his back. You thinking Harry won shows you have no idea what winning means. If someone shoves me and I resist I didn't win anything I just resisted being pushed.

Originally posted by Robtard
For the record, it was never my intention to ruin his life. It's actually a shame he's now stuck in a perpetual loop of pain and rage, never progressing as a person.