Originally posted by juggermanDelusions.
Concession acceptedAnd you are butthurt
You outright lied and tried to cover it up. Be a man for once
You said Horcruxes=Voldemort. You're an idiot
You logic does go there and that's why it's dumb
Irony.
No, I explained myself. Voldemort a piece of his soul is in nagini. Voldemort killed him.
No, I didn't say they all have the same abilities. You made the erroneous claim. I just watched first take and skip Bayless that awful debater pulled a juggerman. Stephen A. explained that Tom Brady wouldn't show Tom wells the relevant texts pertaining to deflate gate. Skip like you said no that didn't happen it's either you give your cell phone over or you don't. Denying reality into your own black and white perspective to help your shitty case. I laughed at how desperate he sounded and thought of you.
What I said is one hundred percent fact. Your denial of reality is Skip Bayless like.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Delusions.Irony.
No, I explained myself. Voldemort a piece of his soul is in nagini. Voldemort killed him.
No, I didn't say they all have the same abilities. You made the erroneous claim. I just watched first take and skip Bayless that awful debater pulled a juggerman. Stephen A. explained that Tom Brady wouldn't show Tom wells the relevant texts pertaining to deflate gate. Skip like you said no that didn't happen it's either you give your cell phone over or you don't. Denying reality into your own black and white perspective to help your shitty case. I laughed at how desperate he sounded and thought of you.
What I said is one hundred percent fact. Your denial of reality is Skip Bayless like.
Wow you think of that much in your personal life? And here I thought only Rob was burrowed so deeply in your mind 😂
Originally posted by juggermanNo, I don't but when I see shitty debating with people denying reality and only allowing two possibilities you come to mind. You're like skip Bayless. Moronic to the core. Nice job avoiding my response.
Wow you think of that much in your personal life? And here I thought only Rob was burrowed so deeply in your mind 😂
Witcher 3 time soon so enjoy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Griendlewald is not Voldemort. It was a close battle from what I heard.So what ? When did she give her opinion on this subject movies only. Her interviews were for the books. Provide a link if you have proof. Against the rules.
Despite DUMBLEDORE possessing the ELDER WAND he did NOT WIN.
Voldemort wins. Superior skill and power as well despite the elder wand being in. Dumbledore's hands.
Exactly, thanks for proving my point. Dumbledore himself admits that he was just a shade better than grindlewald, however this could be due to modesty, however Dumbledore was a tad bit better. According to you having the wand should have won grindlewald the victory as they were so close and the elder wand should have closed the gap. It didn't so this proves that the elder wand doesn't make up for any gap of skill or power between another wizard, it being the most powerful wand is it means it can do feats that are thought of as impossible, such as fixing other wands. So the elder wand is the most powerful wand but doesn't provide an unbeatable edge, or make up for any skill or power.
Opinion and it's the wrong opinion. Dumbledore is clearly the more skilled of the two, and has the backing of the author and the movies. Dumbledore was on the defense for most of that battle so he didn't just display all the power he had. However the power he did display he got the results he wanted.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I don't but when I see shitty debating with people denying reality and only allowing two possibilities you come to mind. You're like skip Bayless. Moronic to the core. Nice job avoiding my response.Witcher 3 time soon so enjoy.
You can't call anyone a terrible debater. You actually can't debate properly. You should fix that and join the right team. DUMBLEDORE FTW.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sorry bud doesn't work that way. Again, and there is no getting around this fact, her opinion > than yours. Further, it isn't contradicted because he was having to divert his intention from Voldy to protect harry. That could be a key reason why he wasn't able to get the job done If you're in a fight with somebody.. and that person keeps attacking your son while you're fighting him... and you're not able to defeat the attacker because you keep trying to save your son.. that makes a huge difference. He was there to protect harry.. guess what.. he accomplished that goal. So not only was he having to protect himself from Voldy but protect somebody else at the same time. Voldy had all the edges in that fight sans the wand.. and ultimately he couldn't get the job done. In no way does that fight contradict a thing. Another example, if a fighter goes life and death with another boxer... and barely wins a decision... Does that mean he's not better because it was a long draw out fight? No. Even if the fighter losses sometimes he's still considered better. For example, Oscar beat Chavez convincingly... yet Chavez is considered the better fighter all time. Losing sometimes doesn't make somebody better. So again, there is NOTHING in the film that contradicts her opinion. Not a thing.
Dumbledore with an incredibly powerful object could do nothing to defeat Voldemort, at best stalemating him. He was "protecting Harry" is a lame excuse. Harry was off to the side most of the time, Dumbledore only showed real concern for Harry when Voldemort disappeared and went to possess him.
So yep, contradicted through and through. You can also talk about her opinion being better then mine all you want. But feats trump all, so that is irrelevant. If without the Elder Wand Dumbledore and Voldemorts power levels would of been so close..with the wand the should of been able to take out Voldemort, even if he was also trying to protect Harry. Though like I said, he only became truly concerned for Harry once Voldemort disappeared and tried to possess him. Voldemort was trying to destroy Dumbledore at the time.
So we can conclude one of two things from what happened. The first is that the only thing that allowed Dumbledore to fight against Voldemort was the massively powerful magical artifact in his possession. The second is that the Elder Wand isn't as powerful as it was made out to be and didn't grant that much of a boost as people might of thought. Given the wand was shown to do things other wands used by the same person flat out could not do I tend to think it was not all hype.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I don't but when I see shitty debating with people denying reality and only allowing two possibilities you come to mind. You're like skip Bayless. Moronic to the core. Nice job avoiding my response.Witcher 3 time soon so enjoy.
There was nothing of value in your response beside your infatuation with me. It was just more dancing because you didn't even know who killed Snape. And you call yourself a HP fan. Voldemort is displeased with your ignorance
Originally posted by Surtur
Dumbledore with an incredibly powerful object could do nothing to defeat Voldemort, at best stalemating him. He was "protecting Harry" is a lame excuse. Harry was off to the side most of the time, Dumbledore only showed real concern for Harry when Voldemort disappeared and went to possess him.So yep, contradicted through and through. You can also talk about her opinion being better then mine all you want. But feats trump all, so that is irrelevant. If without the Elder Wand Dumbledore and Voldemorts power levels would of been so close..with the wand the should of been able to take out Voldemort, even if he was also trying to protect Harry. Though like I said, he only became truly concerned for Harry once Voldemort disappeared and tried to possess him. Voldemort was trying to destroy Dumbledore at the time.
So we can conclude one of two things from what happened. The first is that the only thing that allowed Dumbledore to fight against Voldemort was the massively powerful magical artifact in his possession. The second is that the Elder Wand isn't as powerful as it was made out to be and didn't grant that much of a boost as people might of thought. Given the wand was shown to do things other wands used by the same person flat out could not do I tend to think it was not all hype.
Wrong, as I correctly pointed out. You can lose a fight and still be considered better. That is just how it works bud. There is absolutely NOTHING in the movie that contradicts her opinion. Nothing. Him stalemating Voldy doesn't mean he's not more powerful. There is no contradiction there.
A lame excuse? WUT??? THAT IS THE REASON Dumble even showed up was to protect Harry. He was clearly concerned with protecting him and this was made clear every which way and twice on Sunday. It was abundantly clear he was doing so. Point is, he was able to fend off Voldy attacking him and Harry at the same time. Nothing about that says he's less powerful. Nothing.
The reality is this, and there is no getting around this fact. The creator of the universe in question and all the characters in question.. said Dumble was the most powerful. There is no source above her when it come to the HP universe. none. She was thoroughly consulted on the project and even produced some of the movies. stuff she didn't like was taken out. She was the authority they consulted for the movies. Most everything in the movie is similar to the book. You may have a point if they are vastly different but we know that not to be the case. Thus, we'll just go ahead and go with the opinion of the person most capable of answering such a question. Thanks for your opinion though
Originally posted by Surtur
Dumbledore with an incredibly powerful object could do nothing to defeat Voldemort, at best stalemating him. He was "protecting Harry" is a lame excuse. Harry was off to the side most of the time, Dumbledore only showed real concern for Harry when Voldemort disappeared and went to possess him.So yep, contradicted through and through. You can also talk about her opinion being better then mine all you want. But feats trump all, so that is irrelevant. If without the Elder Wand Dumbledore and Voldemorts power levels would of been so close..with the wand the should of been able to take out Voldemort, even if he was also trying to protect Harry. Though like I said, he only became truly concerned for Harry once Voldemort disappeared and tried to possess him. Voldemort was trying to destroy Dumbledore at the time.
So we can conclude one of two things from what happened. The first is that the only thing that allowed Dumbledore to fight against Voldemort was the massively powerful magical artifact in his possession. The second is that the Elder Wand isn't as powerful as it was made out to be and didn't grant that much of a boost as people might of thought. Given the wand was shown to do things other wands used by the same person flat out could not do I tend to think it was not all hype.
Exactly how powerful is the wand supposed to be? It seems like some of you believe it should make a wizard thousands of times stronger or something. If all wands are relatively equal, the Elder Wand wouldn't need to be much stronger to make it the "most powerful". And given that it really doesn't have any feats I don't see why we should assume Dumbledore should have kicked Voldemort's ass in the duel
Originally posted by juggerman
Exactly how powerful is the wand supposed to be? It seems like some of you believe it should make a wizard thousands of times stronger or something. If all wands are relatively equal, the Elder Wand wouldn't need to be much stronger to make it the "most powerful". And given that it really doesn't have any feats I don't see why we should assume Dumbledore should have kicked Voldemort's ass in the duel
Agreed. After research the wand, being the most powerful can perform magic thought to be impossible with other wands, such as repairing broken wands. However, the wands magic is powerful, but not powerful enough to, gain the victory or make your magic exceedingly if any stronger. As seen by how the wand has had multiple owners, and how,dumbleodre was able to defeat his very close to skill rival grindlewald. This proves that even having the elder wand doesn't mean you win, or make up for any lack of skill.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2So you ignore his own words because you're obviously a fanboy. I for one don't think grindlewald was better than dumbeldore. For one he lost with the most powerful wand and secondly dumbeldore couldn't beat Voldemort and this time he possessed the elder wand.
Exactly, thanks for proving my point. Dumbledore himself admits that he was just a shade better than grindlewald, however this could be due to modesty, however Dumbledore was a tad bit better. According to you having the wand should have won grindlewald the victory as they were so close and the elder wand should have closed the gap. It didn't so this proves that the elder wand doesn't make up for any gap of skill or power between another wizard, it being the most powerful wand is it means it can do feats that are thought of as impossible, such as fixing other wands. So the elder wand is the most powerful wand but doesn't provide an unbeatable edge, or make up for any skill or power.Opinion and it's the wrong opinion. Dumbledore is clearly the more skilled of the two, and has the backing of the author and the movies. Dumbledore was on the defense for most of that battle so he didn't just display all the power he had. However the power he did display he got the results he wanted.
I never said it makes one unbeatable I just said it is the most powerful wand ever. Makes dumbledore look bad since he had it and didn't win.
False. Provide the link. It isn't valid but I am just curious. Back a claim,
Originally posted by juggermanSo you still refuse to address your black and white tunnel vision.
There was nothing of value in your response beside your infatuation with me. It was just more dancing because you didn't even know who killed Snape. And you call yourself a HP fan. Voldemort is displeased with your ignorance
Voldemort killed him via nagini. I explained this and you respond with your childish antics. Keep denying reality, skip.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you ignore his own words because you're obviously a fanboy. I for one don't think grindlewald was better than dumbeldore. For one he lost with the most powerful wand and secondly dumbeldore couldn't beat Voldemort and this time he possessed the elder wand.I never said it makes one unbeatable I just said it is the most powerful wand ever. Makes dumbledore look bad since he had it and didn't win.
False. Provide the link. It isn't valid but I am just curious. Back a claim,
No I'm just saying that it's a possibility that was the case and this goes on to prove that the elder wand doesn't make up for any gap of skill. Not ignoring his words but it's possible that he was just being modest however that part is speculation.m
It's speciffalcy stated in the book that the elder wand has been passed down from many owners meaning each has been defeated with the exception of the first one. So with that it doesn't mean anything if you lose it doesn't mean anything. Also dumbledore wasn't just going all out either as he was protecting Harry. It looks bad on voldemort since his fans get to see him cower from dumbledore.
Everything I say is valid. Re watch the duel dumbledore is clearly gaining ground. Also re watch the encounter between Tom and Harry in the chamber of secrets. Harry is the closet thing to JK rowlings eyes in the moving movie and he says dumbledore is greater hinds dumbledore is greater.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you still refuse to address your black and white tunnel vision.Voldemort killed him via nagini. I explained this and you respond with your childish antics. Keep denying reality, skip.
You have done nothing to prove your claim. You also said Horcruxes are Voldemort which is proven wrong with Harry. So unless you care to provide some actual evidence for once, I'll be accepting yet another concession.
Good lord this is like debating a brick wall, okay, let us just take this from another angle. You have the same scenario in the 5th book where Dumbledore encounters Voldemort at the end in the Ministry. Except..the clumsy fool trips and falls on his way to save the day and snaps his elder wand in half. Luckily he cares a spare non-plot device wand, which he arrives at the Ministry carrying in order to deal with Voldemort.
So, is the outcome still the same? Anyone answering "yes it goes down the same way" must feel the elder wand was more just hype then anything else. Which is fine and certainly a route to take..but of course we can't ignore that Harry easily fixed an unfixable wand using the elder wand. Granted not much of a showing, but it shows a big difference between that wand and normal wands.
Originally posted by juggermanI explained the circumstances were different with each one. You already agreed Harry can make his own decisions so it isn't like the other intentional horcruxes. You want to ignore the circumstances and black and white just like skip bay less. Context matters, dummy.
You have done nothing to prove your claim. You also said Horcruxes are Voldemort which is proven wrong with Harry. So unless you care to provide some actual evidence for once, I'll be accepting yet another concession.
Voldemort ftw.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2I never said it made up for skill. I said with two peers dueling the most powerful wand in existence gives an undeniable advantage. It does despite your fanboyism.
No I'm just saying that it's a possibility that was the case and this goes on to prove that the elder wand doesn't make up for any gap of skill. Not ignoring his words but it's possible that he was just being modest however that part is speculation.mIt's speciffalcy stated in the book that the elder wand has been passed down from many owners meaning each has been defeated with the exception of the first one. So with that it doesn't mean anything if you lose it doesn't mean anything. Also dumbledore wasn't just going all out either as he was protecting Harry. It looks bad on voldemort since his fans get to see him cower from dumbledore.
Everything I say is valid. Re watch the duel dumbledore is clearly gaining ground. Also re watch the encounter between Tom and Harry in the chamber of secrets. Harry is the closet thing to JK rowlings eyes in the moving movie and he says dumbledore is greater hinds dumbledore is greater.
That doesn't take into account the skill of each in the duels. We know that Voldemort and dumbledore are peers. So getting the most badass wand in the land and being unable to overcome Voldemort shows how skilled and powerful Voldemort is since he outshines Dumbledore in feats.
Again it also says in the movies elder wand is the most powerful wand. You keep quoting books this breaking the rules. GTFO.
Harry was not familiar with Voldemort's skill at that point so it's not to be taken as fact. It's his opinion and a hopeful one at best since Voldemort is after him.
Quit citing the books. It's against the rules, sport.