Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by Robtard
When his last Horcrux was destroyed (Harry), Voldermort seemed to be fine after he got off the forest floor. He even told Bellatrix in a snotty tone "I don't need your help" and then shoved her away like an angry child, while getting up.

Proof: http://megashare.sc/watch-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-online-TXpNNU13PT0 @ 96min40sec

Not 100% how it was in the books, but on screen, the discomfort from losing a Horcrux seemed to be in the moment and not lasting.

Well actually to be precise the last horcrux destroyed was nagini and we saw how that worked. He was on the floor, passed out after killing a piece of his soul, unconscious for as long as it took for Harry to go through that vision with dumbledore. Then when he got up now I'm not going to say he took 100 years to get up but he sure did t just stand up he did struggle a little to get up.

I understand the books and movies don't coincide here. Well that can be said but since it was his last one that's what makes it a different circumstance. He had split his soul into seven pieces. Slug horn even states that ripping the soul into seven pieces was dangerous. Yes I understand he could have been talking about killing seven people was a terrible deed but he also could have been talking about the horcruxes as he says to rip the soul into seven pieces.with this I believe that since all 7 were destroyed and all it left was a destroyed soul, that couldn't survive anymore.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well you can't talk. You haven't remotely come close to proving Voldmelrt is better while I have. You have denied dumbledore the respect he deserves. That was a summary of what the wizarding world thought of them once they died in a honest and unbiased opinion.

The entire wizarding world loved dumbledore for the majority of the time and thought of him as their greatest protector being the only wizard voldemort ever feared. Making the most horcruxes, I don't believe the wizarding world knew about that, notice dumbledore didn't acknowledge it until the 6th movie but he knew that this was a more dangerous magic in the 2nd movie. Notice only bellatrix knew about the horcruxes meaning only his most trusted death eaters know. The last one who snitched ended up dead. I'm not relying on the book, how am I relying on the book.

Voldemort did not run from his and took him on. Other wizards would apparate just on seeing Voldemort. The guy had the entire wizarding world a hitting bricks. Whether they knew or not people did know. That's amazing. Movies only.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Other wizards would apparatus just on seeing Voldemort.

The guy had the entire wizarding world a hitting bricks.

LOL!!!

Originally posted by Silent Master
LOL!!!

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Dumbledore is the second baddest wizard from the films. No, you ignored movie evidence and drew your own conclusions while ignoring movie evidence.

Voldemort did not run from his and took him on. Other wizards would apparate just on seeing Voldemort. The guy had the entire wizarding world a hitting bricks. Whether they knew or not people did know. That's amazing. Movies only.

Dumbledore is the top dog. You have no proof, voldemort is better. I drew conclusions from the movie, you have an opinion form someone who has no bearing on the movies and your own interpretation which is biased toward one side.

He apparated away and showed some type of fear that he couldn't defeat dumbledore. For someone who was "dictating the fight" dumbledore sure balanced it out from voldemorts control. Not after fighting him.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Dumbledore is the top dog. You have no proof, voldemort is better. I drew conclusions from the movie, you have an opinion form someone who has no bearing on the movies and your own interpretation which is biased toward one side.

He apparated away and showed some type of fear that he couldn't defeat dumbledore. For someone who was "dictating the fight" dumbledore sure balanced it out from voldemorts control. Not after fighting him.

False. He left when the aurors arrived. He was taunting Harry before as Albus helplessly looked on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I provided evidence from the films. You lie.

I asked you two explain it and you can't. How embarrassing.

Voldemort did kill him. You asked for an explanation and I gave one. You're an idiot. Voldemort killed him.

No, he didn't easily. You don't need help and inspiration if something is easy to overcome.

So no real specificity just more nonsense from you.

Concession accepted.

And I offer evidence as well. All you have to do I say you'll stop dancing once I do. You felt that line of reasoning was ok earlier, why not now?

This line was dedicated by you to vent about how rob was always balls deep in you. The fact you are now asking for proof of your obsession is adorable

If Voldemort killed him then Neville killed Voldemort. Can't have it both ways Sally

He did. Once he started trying, Voldemort got kicked out

You lie about everything. Case in point "Voldemort killed Snape"

Yes I did accept your concession. Actually concessionS but hey you're making some progress at least. Yay you! 😄

Originally posted by juggerman
And I offer evidence as well. All you have to do I say you'll stop dancing once I do. You felt that line of reasoning was ok earlier, why not now?

This line was dedicated by you to vent about how rob was always balls deep in you. The fact you are now asking for proof of your obsession is adorable

If Voldemort killed him then Neville killed Voldemort. Can't have it both ways Sally

He did. Once he started trying, Voldemort got kicked out

You lie about everything. Case in point "Voldemort killed Snape"

Yes I did accept your concession. Actually concession[b]S but hey you're making some progress at least. Yay you! 😄 [/B]

No, Roberta ignored facts and reverts into a child once evidence is provided and rage loops out of debates.

Neville killed an aspect of his soul that does not have the same abilities as main body Voldemort. Quit trying to black and white everything like some idiotic cave man. Life is grey as is this situation, dummy.

So you believe he was not trying before ? Are you an idiot ?

Voldemort did kill snape. Naginini had a portion of his soul.

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't accept my terms so quit being a hypocrite.

No, Roberta ignored facts and reverts into a child once evidence is provided and rage loops out of debates.

Neville killed an aspect of his soul that does not have the same abilities as main body Voldemort. Quit trying to black and white everything like some idiotic cave man. Life is grey as is this situation, dummy.

So you believe he was not trying before ? Are you an idiot ?

Voldemort did kill snape. Naginini had a portion of his soul.

You're an idiot.

You seemed to think it was ok before but now all of a sudden you call foul? What a baby

Don't try to divert attention away from the fact you got lost about your own obsession

If Nagini killing = Vold killing than Nagini getting killed = Vold getting killed. Simple

You claim he was?

Harry had a part of his soul too. Guess you believe Voldemort was best friends with Ron and Hermione too 😂 😂

Concession accepted

Originally posted by juggerman
You seemed to think it was ok before but now all of a sudden you call foul? What a baby

Don't try to divert attention away from the fact you got lost about your own obsession

If Nagini killing = Vold killing than Nagini getting killed = Vold getting killed. Simple

You claim he was?

Harry had a part of his soul too. Guess you believe Voldemort was best friends with Ron and Hermione too 😂 😂

Concession accepted

Make some sense.

No, I explained the entire situation., you want to black and white it when it's grey.

Naginini does not have the same abilities as Voldemort in his main body. It is Voldemort though.

A part of Voldemort lived inside Harry but Harry ultimately made the decisions. You can continue to be ridiculous because you're upset and can't see past black and white.

You're really childish.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is ok but you refusing then asking the same thing of me is hypocrisy.

Make some sense.

No, I explained the entire situation., you want to black and white it when it's grey.

Naginini does not have the same abilities as Voldemort in his main body. It is Voldemort though.

A part of Voldemort lived inside Harry but Harry ultimately made the decisions. You can continue to be ridiculous because you're upset and can't see past black and white.

You're really childish.

Put your money where your mouth is than. Lead by example. Show me that you are better than me like you think. Or chicken out and out yourself as the hypocritical coward I know you are

I feel bad for you

It's black and white. Either Nagini and Voldemort are interchangable or they aren't. Make up your mind.

Doesn't work that way. Either Nagini and Voldemort are interchangable or they aren't. Make up your mind.

If his Horcruxes are him, as you've claimed, then Harry is Voldemort as well. And of course Voldemort defeated himself.

Just using your logic. Glad you think you're just as childish as the rest of us do.

Originally posted by juggerman
Put your money where your mouth is than. Lead by example. Show me that you are better than me like you think. Or chicken out and out yourself as the hypocritical coward I know you are

I feel bad for you

It's black and white. Either Nagini and Voldemort are interchangable or they aren't. Make up your mind.

Doesn't work that way. Either Nagini and Voldemort are interchangable or they aren't. Make up your mind.

If his Horcruxes are him, as you've claimed, then Harry is Voldemort as well. And of course Voldemort defeated himself.

Just using your logic. Glad you think you're just as childish as the rest of us do.

Delusional.

No, it shows you are stuck in that development stage. You haven't progressed to abstract thinking. You're cognitively retarded.

I explained the context. Ignore it and show your cognitive retardation.

Not the same abilities but yes they are Voldemort.

No, you are ignoring what I said and trying to bring me down to your black and white level of retardation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I based my opinion off the movies. No elder wand, dictated the fight, greater feats, supported movie special features.

False. He left when the aurors arrived. He was taunting Harry before as Albus helplessly looked on.

You based your opinion on your own interpretation of the fight. Dumbledore was on the defensive just trying to protect Harry, however when he did push back he got the results he needed, when voldemort attacked he was stopped at every end so dictating the tempo really didn't help him so I don't find that all that impressive. Feats, it's debatable on who has the better feats. One line from the special features, that was her own opinion and then the directors or producers never agreed or to my knowledge commented on it and then she based her opinion on the book which is not allowed on this site.

He stopped the fight wi Dumbledore before the aurora arrived showing he couldn't beat Dumbledore and confirming the fear he had of Dumbledore. When Dumbledore showed up at the beginning and the smile voldemort had disappeared and then he says by which time I will be gone and you dead. Well Dumbledore wasn't dead and voldemort was running.

In conclusion Dumbledore is the superior wizard as stated by JK Rowling which is the Queen Bee of all Harry Potter.

There is actually proof that JK Rowling has influence on the movies. In the original screenplay the directors and producers had planned for Harry to fight snaps in the end, however once she found out she quickly changed that and kept it the way it was in the book where mcgonaagll fought snape. So the directors will stay in her vision even if she has to tame them, also why would they change a detail like the Dumbledore vs voldemort, Dumbledore is clearly superior.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You based your opinion on your own interpretation of the fight. Dumbledore was on the defensive just trying to protect Harry, however when he did push back he got the results he needed, when voldemort attacked he was stopped at every end so dictating the tempo really didn't help him so I don't find that all that impressive. Feats, it's debatable on who has the better feats. One line from the special features, that was her own opinion and then the directors or producers never agreed or to my knowledge commented on it and then she based her opinion on the book which is not allowed on this site.

He stopped the fight wi Dumbledore before the aurora arrived showing he couldn't beat Dumbledore and confirming the fear he had of Dumbledore. When Dumbledore showed up at the beginning and the smile voldemort had disappeared and then he says by which time I will be gone and you dead. Well Dumbledore wasn't dead and voldemort was running.

In conclusion Dumbledore is the superior wizard as stated by JK Rowling which is the Queen Bee of all Harry Potter.

That's your speculation. His actions proved otherwise.

Rowling isn't the say so in movies. Sure her input is respected but the director ultimately decides and it's obviously much different in the cinema.

Voldemort wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And yet he was unable to stop the possession of Harry so he failed by your own admission. You base your opinion off the fight as well. It made the cut so it is evidence and outweighs your speculation.

That's your speculation. His actions proved otherwise.

Rowling isn't the say so in movies. Sure her input is respected but the director ultimately decides and it's obviously much different in the cinema.

Voldemort wins.

How does that help your case in anyway. No one could stop that, only the user him/herself. Dumbledore however did help Harry push voldemort out. I base my opinion off the writer, the movies, the duel. Opinions make the cuts all the time. She has the right to say what she wishes but it doesn't mean it's true. She isn't a producer or director. However JK Rowling was for the last two, and creative consultant for the rest as she wanted to make sure they stayed true to her vision. So her opinion vs JK Rowlings say so. Rowling wins every time.

Actually it's like saying which boxer is better. Everyone has there own opinion about who's actions they prefer over the other. Dumbledore has actions that would put him above voldemort. Anyone can pull out a match or a move they did and others can have some that match them, so it comes down to who you like.

Your own opinion. The popular opinion is a Dumbledore victory.

JK Rowling stating Dumbledore is superior is irrelevant. You can't give a valid explanation for why if he was so superior he didn't just come in and easily overwhelm Voldemort when they fought. Since you know Dumbledore had the plot device magic wand?

It is hard for me to say who wins. It seems to come across like Voldemort has more power, but Dumbledore compensates by having the Elder Wand and more skill. However, as he got older the wand gave him less and less an edge.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How does that help your case in anyway. No one could stop that, only the user him/herself. Dumbledore however did help Harry push voldemort out. I base my opinion off the writer, the movies, the duel. Opinions make the cuts all the time. She has the right to say what she wishes but it doesn't mean it's true. She isn't a producer or director. However JK Rowling was for the last two, and creative consultant for the rest as she wanted to make sure they stayed true to her vision. So her opinion vs JK Rowlings say so. Rowling wins every time.

Actually it's like saying which boxer is better. Everyone has there own opinion about who's actions they prefer over the other. Dumbledore has actions that would put him above voldemort. Anyone can pull out a match or a move they did and others can have some that match them, so it comes down to who you like.

Your own opinion. The popular opinion is a Dumbledore victory.

False. What she says applies to her works the books not the films.

Voldemort is more aggressive nod isn't have the most powerful wand. Albus had a huge advantage in using the elder wand.

Popular opinion once thought the earth was flat. I'm right you're wrong. Deal.

Originally posted by Surtur
JK Rowling stating Dumbledore is superior is irrelevant. You can't give a valid explanation for why if he was so superior he didn't just come in and easily overwhelm Voldemort when they fought. Since you know Dumbledore had the plot device magic wand?

It is hard for me to say who wins. It seems to come across like Voldemort has more power, but Dumbledore compensates by having the Elder Wand and more skill. However, as he got older the wand gave him less and less an edge.

It doesn't matter that the creator of this entire universe and the characters within it said somebody is more powerful? This must be some kind of joke or something. That is the no. 1 source on the HP universe, her opinion is vastly more important than yours, mine or anybody else's speculation.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It doesn't matter that the creator of this entire universe and the characters within it said somebody is more powerful? This must be some kind of joke or something. That is the no. 1 source on the HP universe, her opinion is vastly more important than yours, mine or anybody else's speculation.

Feats are what matter. Her opinion is entirely irrelevant if it contradicts what we actually see. How could we have it any other way when trying to debate?