Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's just it though.. it in no way contradicts what we see at all. Thus, it's leads even more credence to her opinion. her opinion > than yours, mine or anybody else's In Re: HP
It absolutely contradicts what we see. We do not see Dumbledore defeat Voldemort. We see him hold him off, and all the while he had the elder wand. All at a time when it would of been of a huge advantage to stop Voldemort. He lacked the power to do anything but fend him off even though he had an incredibly powerful magical artifact at his disposal. This does not suggest Dumbledore is more powerful. It in fact suggests that without the Elder Wand he would of lost that encounter.
She wrote it, she should know it. So either she just failed to remember what she wrote or she just chooses to ignore evidence. Either option unfortunately results in her opinion carrying less weight. Actual feats> anyone's opinion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am better than you. I won't do so since you have backed down already. Had you accepted I would have returned the favor.Delusional.
No, it shows you are stuck in that development stage. You haven't progressed to abstract thinking. You're cognitively retarded.
I explained the context. Ignore it and show your cognitive retardation.
Not the same abilities but yes they are Voldemort.
No, you are ignoring what I said and trying to bring me down to your black and white level of retardation.
Concessin accepted
Yes you are. That's part of the reason I feel bad for you
It shows that you will dance away when everyone knows you are wrong
You straight up lied. But that's what you do
Ok you've decided Harry is Voldemort. Good to know. Dumbass
Nope. You just lie and lie. Tho finally you've admitted you believe Harry and Voldemort are one and the same. Good job. Your idiocy knows no bounds
Originally posted by Surtur
JK Rowling stating Dumbledore is superior is irrelevant. You can't give a valid explanation for why if he was so superior he didn't just come in and easily overwhelm Voldemort when they fought. Since you know Dumbledore had the plot device magic wand?It is hard for me to say who wins. It seems to come across like Voldemort has more power, but Dumbledore compensates by having the Elder Wand and more skill. However, as he got older the wand gave him less and less an edge.
Neither can the either of you show shut your mouth. The word of the author is all you need. Someone can be more powerful but they still has to go up against the others power. If I'm more powerful I can defeat you but I still have to overcome your power and strength. Also wasn't he on the defensive for the majority of the battle protecting Harry. So instead of criticizing me about my person, get on voldemort, if he was more powerful than Dumbledore than why didn't he just overwhelm him. Also the elder wand doesn't guarantee any such victory. Example, Dumbledore defeated grindlewald who was the sole owner of the elder wand. Dumbledore was more powerful than him yet it took the battle a while before it was over.
I can understand it being hard as both are powerful, everyone has just chosen there sides. Don't worry there are thousands of fans who don't know who to go with on this argument. As a dark spider, he would display more power however this doesn't mean that Dumbledore is lacking in any such area. In the battle they were in its said that Dumbledore was on the defensive trying to protect Harry. If you look at that battle all depends on your perception, Dumbledore when ever he pushed back did gain the results he was looking for, he was gaining ground on the expelliarmus vs Arvada kedavra, deflected everything voldemort had, almost drowning him, taking out voldemorts fire snake, holding off his a blast of dark magic and turning all the glass into sand. With that he then forced voldemort to run. So at the end of the day it's who you like but the author has said that Dumbledore is more powerful and the books and movies give him the feats, skills, and legacy to back this up. The elder wand think whatever you will about it. All you need to know is, it doesn't provide a guaranteed victory, and doesn't make up for lack of skill.
Originally posted by Surtur
Feats are what matter. Her opinion is entirely irrelevant if it contradicts what we actually see. How could we have it any other way when trying to debate?
And exactly with his own wand since that is what we see in this battle, what feats does he have that Dumbledore can't match or protect against. I will give you a hint, nothing.
Originally posted by Surtur
It absolutely contradicts what we see. We do not see Dumbledore defeat Voldemort. We see him hold him off, and all the while he had the elder wand. All at a time when it would of been of a huge advantage to stop Voldemort. He lacked the power to do anything but fend him off even though he had an incredibly powerful magical artifact at his disposal. This does not suggest Dumbledore is more powerful. It in fact suggests that without the Elder Wand he would of lost that encounter.She wrote it, she should know it. So either she just failed to remember what she wrote or she just chooses to ignore evidence. Either option unfortunately results in her opinion carrying less weight. Actual feats> anyone's opinion.
No it doesn't. We don't see either one defeat the other it is a stale mate however Dumbledore wasn't trying to kill him, or take him out, he was trying to protect Harry. Also the elder wand does not make up for any skill. Example if thats the case then grindlewald would have defeated Dumbledore because without it they were already close. The wand should have just closed that gap and grindlewald should have won. This proves that the elder wand doesn't make up for any skill in this area. Your skill is your skill. The elder wand may project more powerful flashy magic as seen by voldemort how his spells were more flashy, but his skill was his skill.
You really need help dude. What she says>anything else anyone else says. Dumbedore has the feats to back up his title. Give us a list of combative feats, voldemort uses with his own wand and we will counter them.
Originally posted by Surtur
It absolutely contradicts what we see. We do not see Dumbledore defeat Voldemort. We see him hold him off, and all the while he had the elder wand. All at a time when it would of been of a huge advantage to stop Voldemort. He lacked the power to do anything but fend him off even though he had an incredibly powerful magical artifact at his disposal. This does not suggest Dumbledore is more powerful. It in fact suggests that without the Elder Wand he would of lost that encounter.She wrote it, she should know it. So either she just failed to remember what she wrote or she just chooses to ignore evidence. Either option unfortunately results in her opinion carrying less weight. Actual feats> anyone's opinion.
Sorry bud doesn't work that way. Again, and there is no getting around this fact, her opinion > than yours. Further, it isn't contradicted because he was having to divert his intention from Voldy to protect harry. That could be a key reason why he wasn't able to get the job done If you're in a fight with somebody.. and that person keeps attacking your son while you're fighting him... and you're not able to defeat the attacker because you keep trying to save your son.. that makes a huge difference. He was there to protect harry.. guess what.. he accomplished that goal. So not only was he having to protect himself from Voldy but protect somebody else at the same time. Voldy had all the edges in that fight sans the wand.. and ultimately he couldn't get the job done. In no way does that fight contradict a thing. Another example, if a fighter goes life and death with another boxer... and barely wins a decision... Does that mean he's not better because it was a long draw out fight? No. Even if the fighter losses sometimes he's still considered better. For example, Oscar beat Chavez convincingly... yet Chavez is considered the better fighter all time. Losing sometimes doesn't make somebody better. So again, there is NOTHING in the film that contradicts her opinion. Not a thing.
Originally posted by juggermanContinue to make up imaginary concessions.
Concessin acceptedYes you are. That's part of the reason I feel bad for you
It shows that you will dance away when everyone knows you are wrong
You straight up lied. But that's what you do
Ok you've decided Harry is Voldemort. Good to know. Dumbass
Nope. You just lie and lie. Tho finally you've admitted you believe Harry and Voldemort are one and the same. Good job. Your idiocy knows no bounds
No, you are delusional and rather simple.
What did I lie about ? I explained everything and you want to black and white it, that's the sign of a simple mind.
Harry has a horcrux inside him that is Voldemort but Harry is still Harry. He makes the decisions in his body. More of Harry in there than Voldemort.
No, you said my logic went there. It didn't. You make shit up because you're an awful debater who only sees two sides; black and white. Cognitively you're retarded.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It doesn't matter that the creator of this entire universe and the characters within it said somebody is more powerful? This must be some kind of joke or something. That is the no. 1 source on the HP universe, her opinion is vastly more important than yours, mine or anybody else's speculation.
Movie versions only. Movies are different and we see it play out on screen. Read the rules because your long face seems rather confused.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Movie versions only. Movies are different and we see it play out on screen. Read the rules because your long face seems rather confused.
How did he draw from anywhere else. If there is no information in the movies than outside sources can be brought in. However JK Rowling was a producer for the last two films, and a creative consultant for the rest. The directors and producers really listened to her and wat she had to say and stayed true to her vision. Also you have said you have t read the books so how in the hell do you know if shit is different. Get out of here with your phony self. You are defending a losing person, so get out of here.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2We see the special the features brought in. We also can't ignore the fact dumbledore had the most powerful wand ever. I have heard from friends and picked up things from being loneliness and talking about it. Key differences I have already went into.
How did he draw from anywhere else. If there is no information in the movies than outside sources can be brought in. However JK Rowling was a producer for the last two films, and a creative consultant for the rest. The directors and producers really listened to her and wat she had to say and stayed true to her vision. Also you have said you have t read the books so how in the hell do you know if shit is different. Get out of here with your phony self. You are defending a losing person, so get out of here.
Voldemort wins. Deal with it. Movie feats only. Reread the rules.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see the special the features brought in. We also can't ignore the fact dumbledore had the most powerful wand ever. I have heard from friends and picked up things from being loneliness and talking about it. Key differences I have already went into.Voldemort wins. Deal with it. Movie feats only. Reread the rules.
Special features prove nothing here just one lady who says her opinion who isn't a producer, consultant, actor, director or anything really. Him having the elder wand dint mean a damn thing. If voldemort was powerful he would have overcame that. Well I'm telling you the truth, you need to read the books so you can be more informed. However the author is the queen bee of all Harry Potter. You make about as much sense as a snake with no slither.
Dumbledore wins. How are you going to tell me to deal with something wrong. You have no proof that voldemort wins. If you do show it. You might need to re watch Harry Potter.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Stil a weighted opinion which covers the films. You denying exact it is the most powerful wand in existence. You deny facts. The books are different and I don't need to read shit. I love the cinematic versions.
Special features prove nothing here just one lady who says her opinion who isn't a producer, consultant, actor, director or anything really. Him having the elder wand dint mean a damn thing. If voldemort was powerful he would have overcame that. Well I'm telling you the truth, you need to read the books so you can be more informed. However the author is the queen bee of all Harry Potter. You make about as much sense as a snake with no slither.Dumbledore wins. How are you going to tell me to deal with something wrong. You have no proof that voldemort wins. If you do show it. You might need to re watch Harry Potter.
Yes, I do and you denying facts while making up your own and ignoring the rules isn't helping you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Stil a weighted opinion which covers the films. You denying exact it is the most powerful wand in existence. You deny facts. The books are different and I don't need to read shit. I love the cinematic versions.Yes, I do and you denying facts while making up your own and ignoring the rules isn't helping you.
Glad you admit it's an opinion. However how does it have any weight. It's her opinion and one line of dialogue. Harry say dumbledore said the greatest and he is like Rowlings eyes in the movies. So her words stay in the movie. It is the most powerful but it doesn't make up for lack of skill. For instance you get Harry at the end of the war and voldemort from Order of the Phoenix and pit the two against one another with Harry having the elder wand. Voldemort is going to come out the victor. The wand is the most powerful however it doesn't make up for skill.
Well I mean everyone is on my side in this argument and you have no proof. What you call proof is one line of dialogue that is an opinion and has been shut down. Me I call from the author herself which is the queen bee of all Harry Potter, used the movies, the duel, and my common sense. You use what you think is common sense, one line of dialogue that is an opinion which holds close to zero weight, and your own interpretation of what you wanted the battle between the two to be while denying what really happened.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2It is connected to the films not the books. I didn't say it makes up for skill but it's power would help out against a close rival. That's the point. How you can't see that is beyond me.
Glad you admit it's an opinion. However how does it have any weight. It's her opinion and one line of dialogue. Harry say dumbledore said the greatest and he is like Rowlings eyes in the movies. So her words stay in the movie. It is the most powerful but it doesn't make up for lack of skill. For instance you get Harry at the end of the war and voldemort from Order of the Phoenix and pit the two against one another with Harry having the elder wand. Voldemort is going to come out the victor. The wand is the most powerful however it doesn't make up for skill.Well I mean everyone is on my side in this argument and you have no proof. What you call proof is one line of dialogue that is an opinion and has been shut down. Me I call from the author herself which is the queen bee of all Harry Potter, used the movies, the duel, and my common sense. You use what you think is common sense, one line of dialogue that is an opinion which holds close to zero weight, and your own interpretation of what you wanted the battle between the two to be while denying what really happened.
Not everyone. Yes, I have proof. I have proof, statements, feats, common sense on my side. You keep saying the author but of the books. Movies are different and against the rules, sport.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is connected to the films not the books. I didn't say it makes up for skill but it's power would help out against a close rival. That's the point. How you can't see that is beyond me.Not everyone. Yes, I have proof. I have proof, statements, feats, common sense on my side. You keep saying the author but of the books. Movies are different and against the rules, sport.
Yet the evidence she uses his from the books. See here's the thing. Dumbledore vs Grindlewald. Those two were very close in skill and power. Grindlewald had possession of the wand. He was defeated. Any of this registering.
Popular opinion is on my side. No you don't. One line of opinion. Stalemated or surpassed by Dumbledore, more like a lack of it on your side. She was a producer for the last two films, creative consultant for the others and played pivotal roles in the first fourth, sixth and parts 1 and 2. So she is definitely important to the movies. She is the QUEEN BEE. She is the first middle and last word on Harry Potter. The directors and anyone else can't say anything. N this instance it doesn't matter. Rowling is THE QUEEN BEE. Well that would interest me if I were breaking the rules.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Griendlewald is not Voldemort. It was a close battle from what I heard.
Yet the evidence she uses his from the books. See here's the thing. Dumbledore vs Grindlewald. Those two were very close in skill and power. Grindlewald had possession of the wand. He was defeated. Any of this registering.Popular opinion is on my side. No you don't. One line of opinion. Stalemated or surpassed by Dumbledore, more like a lack of it on your side. She was a producer for the last two films, creative consultant for the others and played pivotal roles in the first fourth, sixth and parts 1 and 2. So she is definitely important to the movies. She is the QUEEN BEE. She is the first middle and last word on Harry Potter. The directors and anyone else can't say anything. N this instance it doesn't matter. Rowling is THE QUEEN BEE. Well that would interest me if I were breaking the rules.
So what ? When did she give her opinion on this subject movies only. Her interviews were for the books. Provide a link if you have proof. Against the rules.
Despite DUMBLEDORE possessing the ELDER WAND he did NOT WIN.
Voldemort wins. Superior skill and power as well despite the elder wand being in. Dumbledore's hands.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Continue to make up imaginary concessions.No, you are delusional and rather simple.
What did I lie about ? I explained everything and you want to black and white it, that's the sign of a simple mind.
Harry has a horcrux inside him that is Voldemort but Harry is still Harry. He makes the decisions in his body. More of Harry in there than Voldemort.
No, you said my logic went there. It didn't. You make shit up because you're an awful debater who only sees two sides; black and white. Cognitively you're retarded.
Concession accepted
And you are butthurt
You outright lied and tried to cover it up. Be a man for once
You said Horcruxes=Voldemort. You're an idiot
You logic does go there and that's why it's dumb
Originally posted by quanchi112Glad you admit to be a lonely.. nothing we didn't already know.
We see the special the features brought in. We also can't ignore the fact dumbledore had the most powerful wand ever. I have heard from friends and picked up things from being loneliness and talking about it. Key differences I have already went into.Voldemort wins. Deal with it. Movie feats only. Reread the rules.