Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2 If your powerful enough than you can overcome it eith one meaning that voldemort isnt as powerful as you want him to be. Dumbledore was protecting Harry so it's not surprising that he wasn't just going all out. However when he did go on the offense he got results. Your one to talk Mrs. Voldemort. I'm not a fanboy you are though.

You aren't making sense. If he wanted to protect Harry why not go all out? Going all out will protect Harry more then holding back. If Dumbledore got killed because he had decided to hold back then everyone would of been pretty much screwed.

They aren't peers, they are enemies. Actually he doesn't outshine dumbledore in feats. Having the elder wand doesn't make dumbledore look bad because he it was a stalemate. Again voldemort never came close to defeating dumbledore while every offensive thing dumbledore did, expelliarmus, water spell and blew voldemort fire back got him some good results.

If we assume the Elder Wand is indeed an incredibly powerful magical article then yes it does make Dumbledore look bad that he couldn't defeat Voldemort even though he had it, and that the best he could do is fend him off. It would mean that without the Elder wand when you compare their own personal power Voldemorts power would be superior.

I suppose you could make arguments it is mostly hype. After all, Dumbledore said he and Grindewald were equal, with him perhaps being a shade better..so you'd think once Grindy got his hands on the elder wand he'd rise above Dumbledore, but apparently that wasn't the case. On the other hand, it is also entirely possible that Dumbledores power grew at a rate much more rapidly then Grindewalds and that is why he was able to defeat him.

Books can be referenced if in need of answers the movie doesn't provide or just to answer questions.

This makes no sense. There is no reason to specify movie versions and then say you can use certain things from the books.

For instance of someone ask what happened to Harry's wand you can say that Harry used the elder wand to fix it.

If someone asked that the correct answer would be "we are never told, but at least in the books it gets fixed".

How about the death of Remus and Tonks. It's never said in the movies who killed them, so do we just assume that random death eaters killed them or go with the specifics.

When in the books does it say who killed Remus and Tonks? Harry doesn't see them die he just see's their dead bodies later on. I know that their killers HAVE been named, but I assumed that came from other things like interviews with JK or something, since I'm struggling to remember when someone in the book tells Harry who killed them.

Either way though, for movie versions we just assumed they died in the battle. Who specifically got in the killing blow doesn't matter, all that matters is they died fighting for what they believed in.

Also if you want to cite books then some of your argument falls apart. Like your "he was busy defending Harry!" argument. In the books Harry specifically notes the only time Dumbledore seemed concerned about him was when Voldemort tried to possess him. But I'm guessing that will be something from the books you conveniently do not want to use?

Originally posted by juggerman
If you were confident in your "evidence" you wouldn't need to do all this grandstanding. Since when does a poster need to barter for evidence in a debate? Show em if ya got em or concede

I proved Voldemort didn't kill Snape. 😄

Nagini was a Horcrux so what's that mean to you. If you know the definition of a Horcrux you know you're wrong. You didn't know Nagini was a Horcrux. Shameful.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That bull crap is logic? I don't believe so. That just you being butthurt again. Actually if we follow the post you actually can't debate.

Well that would interest me if two things weren't in place 1. Dumbledore wasn't going all out which he wasn't. 2. The elder wand actually gave an edge that decided a battle.

Opinion. Like I said anyone can use any wand it just won't be as powerful of magic if it doesn't have loyalty to you. That's why voldemort was disarmed in the end because the wand had no loyalty to voldemort and refused to kill its owner. As of the movies we four strands not hundreds, and in the video game only one person made it. As the movie version is most important only 4 people made it. Movies only.

False if you protect someone half of your attention is diverted to the fight and half to the protecti, or even less toward the opponent. Dumbledore did his job and Harry did his job. The only one who didn't do their job was voldemort.

How does this show I use wrong terms or am uneducated. And you are very uneducated in how to debate and how Harry Potter works. You are correct, killing is against dumbledores nature, however it's not to say he won't resort to measures to protect people. No i said what I meant. He didn't go at full power. So you are trying to tell me that throwing water around is dumbledores full power, ( and you say I'm uneducated ). Dumbledore used one true offensive spell while voldemort used offense for all of the battle.

How did I lie. He tried to kill Harry with the Arvada kedavra tendrils and he tried to attack Harry with the dark spell. This is fact as stated by the description of the movie battle. He aimed the dark magic at Harry but dumbledore blocked it. Also the tendrils they were clearly passing dumbledore and going for Harry this is obvious. If what you say is true than voldmelrt has some terrible aim because those tendrils went straight pass if anything not trying to hit dumbledore but aiming for Harry. YOU ARE STUPID. He was trying to kill Harry to. Quit denying the facts. He says you shall be dead, but as you see his plan didn't work, he didn't do his job right.

Ok let me help you understand. It was by an inexperienced person. Crabbe never meant for it to get that big. Also stay on topic this is about voldmelrt. If that was how feinfyre was supposed to go that's that's how voldemort would have used it instead of a fire snake. So the destructive you speak of it clearly not meant to be power. Voldmelrt is clearly the more powerful of the two, and his fire snake is the one we are evaluating not crabbes. Voldmelrt was an animal and nothing else. That's what fiendfyre is supposed to be. The only reason it was that way with crabbe is because he couldn't control it. This is seen in the deathly hallowed part 2 where crabbe is trying to put the fire out but can't and looks frustrated. So with that, voldemorts is the one and only fiendfyre we are examining. So with that the grasp you have on Harry Potter is terrible, not even worthy of being a potter fan. The "logic" you use is what you call your own speculation and interpretation of things.

Firestorm wipes voldmelrts fire snake every time.

Uncontrolled and irrelevant to this argument. Voldmelrts is the true fiemdfure so argue that. Also if something is uncontrolled is bound to cause more devastation which was not what crabbe wanted. He wanted it to be controlled but lacked the skill so with that, fiemdfure is what we voldmelrt use since that's the one we are observing for this argument.

Saying he was not going all out when I went by and expo,aimed logically why that's an insult to his very character is shit debating. What sense does it make for him to hold back with the stakes so high ? Harry's fate was tied into Dumbledore's here yet you say he held back. Why ? Quit saying he held back and explain your reasoning.

The elder wand was an advantage. The advantage was clearly in Dumbledore's favor.

The wand resisted him. Voldemort had to rely on his own extraordinary power with the wand resisting him. He still pulled the feat off under his own power with resistance from the wand. I'm am going based off the films only. Always.

No, it's depends on how you protect someone. You just basically said for all situations to protect someone you need to divert your attention 50/50. You just made it up and ignored the actual fight. Dumbledore fully engaged him. He also as per your words tried to protect him. So according to your own words he failed since he was unable to stop Harry's possession. Be careful what you say. I used your own words against you.

I didn't say the water spell bubble was his most powerful spell. Are you slow ? I said he went all out in terms of his best in their duel to win. He used water when it was opportune for him. Two boxers can go all out but that doesn't mean they have to throw their most powerful punches to win. That might not be effective so they might throw jabs or vary their strategy while going all out. Voldemort dictated the fight and kept Albus on his toes. What's why I have always maintained he was winning be he was mostly on the offensive.

He was attacking Albus. He was throwing magic at Albus and later the shards at them both. Quit just pretending he was not in a duel against Albus.

He used stray magic while meeting albus's stream to try to hit Harry. The fact he could block Albus' magic and still almost hit Harry is amazing. Dumbledore looked back with fear all over his face.

He had to leave because the aurors showed up. That's clear. Dumbledore was unable to stop the possession.

It was Goyle for one. This isn't the books you ignoramus. You are quite uneducated. Goyle had no control and we see what the fiendfyre is capable of. We don't get to see Voldemort's because he dissipates it when tossed back his way. We for one only see the firestorm take out weak inferi. Not very impressive and more suited to that task since the inferi are more numerous and not durable.

Based on what destructive feats ?

The reason Voldemort's did not destroy the room because we saw him send it at Dumbledore. We see Goyle use it but not control it. We see how powerful it is when it runs wild. If Voldemort set it loose it would do that much damage and would be controlled by him. It killed Goyle because he lacked the control but we clearly see how powerful the fire magic clearly is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sayin you can't debate without telling me why is a baseless statement. Quit being chidkish and actually debate without any of your double standards.

Saying he was not going all out when I went by and expo,aimed logically why that's an insult to his very character is shit debating. What sense does it make for him to hold back with the stakes so high ? Harry's fate was tied into Dumbledore's here yet you say he held back. Why ? Quit saying he held back and explain your reasoning.

The elder wand was an advantage. The advantage was clearly in Dumbledore's favor.

The wand resisted him. Voldemort had to rely on his own extraordinary power with the wand resisting him. He still pulled the feat off under his own power with resistance from the wand. I'm am going based off the films only. Always.

No, it's depends on how you protect someone. You just basically said for all situations to protect someone you need to divert your attention 50/50. You just made it up and ignored the actual fight. Dumbledore fully engaged him. He also as per your words tried to protect him. So according to your own words he failed since he was unable to stop Harry's possession. Be careful what you say. I used your own words against you.

I didn't say the water spell bubble was his most powerful spell. Are you slow ? I said he went all out in terms of his best in their duel to win. He used water when it was opportune for him. Two boxers can go all out but that doesn't mean they have to throw their most powerful punches to win. That might not be effective so they might throw jabs or vary their strategy while going all out. Voldemort dictated the fight and kept Albus on his toes. What's why I have always maintained he was winning be he was mostly on the offensive.

He was attacking Albus. He was throwing magic at Albus and later the shards at them both. Quit just pretending he was not in a duel against Albus.

He used stray magic while meeting albus's stream to try to hit Harry. The fact he could block Albus' magic and still almost hit Harry is amazing. Dumbledore looked back with fear all over his face.

He had to leave because the aurors showed up. That's clear. Dumbledore was unable to stop the possession.

It was Goyle for one. This isn't the books you ignoramus. You are quite uneducated. Goyle had no control and we see what the fiendfyre is capable of. We don't get to see Voldemort's because he dissipates it when tossed back his way. We for one only see the firestorm take out weak inferi. Not very impressive and more suited to that task since the inferi are more numerous and not durable.

Based on what destructive feats ?

The reason Voldemort's did not destroy the room because we saw him send it at Dumbledore. We see Goyle use it but not control it. We see how powerful it is when it runs wild. If Voldemort set it loose it would do that much damage and would be controlled by him. It killed Goyle because he lacked the control but we clearly see how powerful the fire magic clearly is.

Haha you amaze me. Calling me childish when I'm clearly the mature one here. At least attempt to debate. Stop being butthutt.

So you honestly believe that him using one offensive spell, you are saying that is all dumbledores got? You didn't explain anything. You are just butthurt again. Even with the Harry thing not being an issue you really think all dumbledore has is the little magic we see in the fuel. Voldemort wouldn't be so afraid if that was all dumbledore had. So you thinking he was going all out is desperation for voldemort.

The films show him using a wand that wasn't his. Him using the wand, the punishment was shown right there. The wand broke. The wand also being the most powerful had something to do with it according to you. So it's his power amplified with the elder wand. Also the elder wand is known to do the impossible. Fact look up the elder wand. Still colorful though the BOOM.

If you protect someone not all your focus is on one thing. Part is on one thing and another part is on the other. That's like the U.S. Army. They are planted throughout the whole world. If a nation gets in trouble they can't just focus there entire military on that one case. They stay where they are. You see if your protecting something(south korea) while another place needs your attention (Russia) not all of the U.S. Attention is on one or the other.

You basically said that saying he was going all out when that was the only offensive spell he did, are you slow now thats the question? False. He only used one offensive spell that's how you know he didn't go all out. If two boxers are going all out they bring forth everything you idiot. If we are fighting and in going all out, I'm bringing everything I got the table.

That was to get at you to show you how ridiculous you were. Also since you want to play this game what happened to dumbledore I. That battle. I know he blocked basically everything except that one spell that went in every direction and was almost unblockable unless you are on the ground.

Are you sure you aren't stupid. He kept lashing out trying to hit Harry. When you lash out as seen it projects more magic as seen as the tendrils came out and with that you tend to push back. Notice however the moment he stopped dumbledore spell was moving forward and gaining ground. Also what fear. That wasn't fear. Prove that it was fear.

He left the location because the aurors came. He left the duel with dumbledore with however long it took between the end of the fight till the ministry arrived. So he had between 2-3 minutes of time to continue the duel but guess what he left.

Am I supposed to be offended by someone like you has no concept of how to debate what so ever. It was goyle yes. That's not what fiendfyre can really do, that's what fiendfyre uncontrolled can do. When you look at something you look at what the controlled version can do. Voldemort is the resemblance. The fact you don't understand this is frightful. Voldemort made the snake and it was a full grown snake. Fact. He used it and we see that dumbledore can handle it. Boom you have been defeated.

The fact it looks more impressive than that snake and also it did more. Fire is fire. Both are real so if you get firestorm in the same area it will do the same and most likely wise die to how it attacks.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Haha you amaze me. Calling me childish when I'm clearly the mature one here. At least attempt to debate. Stop being butthutt.

So you honestly believe that him using one offensive spell, you are saying that is all dumbledores got? You didn't explain anything. You are just butthurt again. Even with the Harry thing not being an issue you really think all dumbledore has is the little magic we see in the fuel. Voldemort wouldn't be so afraid if that was all dumbledore had. So you thinking he was going all out is desperation for voldemort.

The films show him using a wand that wasn't his. Him using the wand, the punishment was shown right there. The wand broke. The wand also being the most powerful had something to do with it according to you. So it's his power amplified with the elder wand. Also the elder wand is known to do the impossible. Fact look up the elder wand. Still colorful though the BOOM.

If you protect someone not all your focus is on one thing. Part is on one thing and another part is on the other. That's like the U.S. Army. They are planted throughout the whole world. If a nation gets in trouble they can't just focus there entire military on that one case. They stay where they are. You see if your protecting something(south korea) while another place needs your attention (Russia) not all of the U.S. Attention is on one or the other.

You basically said that saying he was going all out when that was the only offensive spell he did, are you slow now thats the question? False. He only used one offensive spell that's how you know he didn't go all out. If two boxers are going all out they bring forth everything you idiot. If we are fighting and in going all out, I'm bringing everything I got the table.

That was to get at you to show you how ridiculous you were. Also since you want to play this game what happened to dumbledore I. That battle. I know he blocked basically everything except that one spell that went in every direction and was almost unblockable unless you are on the ground.

Are you sure you aren't stupid. He kept lashing out trying to hit Harry. When you lash out as seen it projects more magic as seen as the tendrils came out and with that you tend to push back. Notice however the moment he stopped dumbledore spell was moving forward and gaining ground. Also what fear. That wasn't fear. Prove that it was fear.

He left the location because the aurors came. He left the duel with dumbledore with however long it took between the end of the fight till the ministry arrived. So he had between 2-3 minutes of time to continue the duel but guess what he left.

Am I supposed to be offended by someone like you has no concept of how to debate what so ever. It was goyle yes. That's not what fiendfyre can really do, that's what fiendfyre uncontrolled can do. When you look at something you look at what the controlled version can do. Voldemort is the resemblance. The fact you don't understand this is frightful. Voldemort made the snake and it was a full grown snake. Fact. He used it and we see that dumbledore can handle it. Boom you have been defeated.

The fact it looks more impressive than that snake and also it did more. Fire is fire. Both are real so if you get firestorm in the same area it will do the same and most likely wise die to how it attacks.

Concession accepted.

I am saying all he had against Voldemort was what he did. That's a fact. You wanting to disregard the evidence and insert your baseless opinion does not register.

If the wand didn't resist him. The wand resisted. Clearly stated in the film. It did not resist Albus. Facts matter. You are ignoring the context.

You can focus on just one opponent to try to protect your friend because no one else is there to worry about. Dumbledore tried dueling and killing Voldemort twice. The duel was clear that these two focused on the other. By your own magic Voldemort was focusing on Harry as well so by your own words his attention was split as well. 🙂

Not if the other boxer is making you fight a defensive fight. Albus had no choice but to be defensive. He went all out due to the situation he and Harry was in. Why would he hold back ? Would this serve his interests of surviving and protecting Harry ?

So he went to the ground because Voldemort is clearly powerful and he could not totally ward it off. Yes.

So according to you Voldemort's attention was split on Harry as well so they were both on equal ground. Wonderful. So wait a minute. He loves and wants to help Harry but he isn't scared when Voldemort possesses him. Hold on a second. 😂

He went after Harry and changed tactics. I already said this. Dumbledore died in the next film. Voldemort rose to power.

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So you admit I was right and you were wrong about Goyle yet have the audacity to question your superior.

Here you go again ignoring what I said. I'm didn't say Dumbledore couldn't handle it I said it's more powerful than the firestorm. We see fiendfyre have greater feats than wrecking inferi. Feats.

Based on what ? Killing inferi. 😂

Your common sense would be accepted had you any.

Shame.

Look at my avatar. Voldemort is stands over Albus' dead body.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I have been doing so. I've explained my reasoning you just say things without any reasoning.

I am saying all he had against Voldemort was what he did. That's a fact. You wanting to disregard the evidence and insert your baseless opinion does not register.

If the wand didn't resist him. The wand resisted. Clearly stated in the film. It did not resist Albus. Facts matter. You are ignoring the context.

You can focus on just one opponent to try to protect your friend because no one else is there to worry about. Dumbledore tried dueling and killing Voldemort twice. The duel was clear that these two focused on the other. By your own magic Voldemort was focusing on Harry as well so by your own words his attention was split as well. 🙂

Not if the other boxer is making you fight a defensive fight. Albus had no choice but to be defensive. He went all out due to the situation he and Harry was in. Why would he hold back ? Would this serve his interests of surviving and protecting Harry ?

So he went to the ground because Voldemort is clearly powerful and he could not totally ward it off. Yes.

So according to you Voldemort's attention was split on Harry as well so they were both on equal ground. Wonderful. So wait a minute. He loves and wants to help Harry but he isn't scared when Voldemort possesses him. Hold on a second. 😂

He went after Harry and changed tactics. I already said this. Dumbledore died in the next film. Voldemort rose to power.

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So you admit I was right and you were wrong about Goyle yet have the audacity to question your superior.

Here you go again ignoring what I said. I'm didn't say Dumbledore couldn't handle it I said it's more powerful than the firestorm. We see fiendfyre have greater feats than wrecking inferi. Feats.

Based on what ? Killing inferi. 😂

Your common sense would be accepted had you any.

Shame.

Look at my avatar. Voldemort is stands over Albus' dead body.

😂

No you havent you basically just gave one post that was irrelevant. You can repost it so I can give you commentary on it.

That would again interest me if you actually could prove that and weren't so stupid. A water bubble, that's it? Is that all dumbledore has? No what you mean say that's all he used at that point. That's what you should mean. Again this is based off the fact that being on the defensive you don't unleash your full power because you unleash defense power not offense.

There you go again trying to win small irrelevant battles that I have already pointed out.

Ok then we are agreed that both their attention was split thanks for your concession. However I would say that voldemort being the dark lord he would put more aggressive effort into killing both so I speculate on this detail but I believe that if you put into percentage, voldemorts goal and aim was to kill Harry but he was MOSTLY focused on dumbledore so voldemort would be 75% on dumbledore and the rest on Harry while dumbledore was more or less 50%/50% or debatably 60/40. It took you long enough.

It's amazing how little you know about Harry Potter and life. If one is on the defensive and according to you one is on the defensive, one is going all out on defense while the other isn't going all out in offense but they are defending. Whether he had to or not, that was not his full power. Fact. Saying that was all the power he had is a mockery of dumbledore. Just because your attack doesn't meant that was his full power. That's like saying that if I punch you with half power I used full power, just because I punched you. It may have felt like full but it wasn't.

Again all depends on how you want to split and how you look at the battle. You being on voldemorts side would think it was even. However voldemort was just on offense so we see what he can do, we see dumbledore on defense so we don't know there full power so no they are not on even playing field as you may think. Try again.

He went after Harry because he knew he couldn't win. Voldemort dies not that far afterwards and didn't dumbledores death have a purpose while voldemrts was just him losing. He rose to power and then lost it in about a year. You don't want to play the death game here representing that noseless freak.

Well I never said you,were right about the whole thing. I said you were correct that the person who used it was goyle, don't know why I said crabbe. I also said you were right that it was uncontrolled. However you are wrong with that being the form we examine. This argument is about voldemort fiendfyre which was a sixty foot snake. What goyle did was uncontrolled, untamed, and worked against his wishes magical fire. That's what sow one who doesn't know what they are doing causes. Also it's FIRE. FIRESTORM, fire is in the name. Any attack uncontrolled can be dangerous if not kept under control. Also it was fire so burning stuff is a given. Fact.

Which is way more than that worthless sixty foot snake.

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Your one to talk when you have been denied by everyone here except your sock surtur.

You seriously want to play the death game. Who died at the very end of the movie and went like. Awwwwww and died in a disgustingly terrible way? Let me give you a hint. Voldemort.

I'm not anybody's sock. I haven't even had to read every single page of this thread to know some people here like you have a massively skewed interpretation of Harry Potter. You type a lot, but 90% of it doesn't even make any sense.

You also have bizarre rules that you clearly just made up yourself like "we can use the books for certain things".

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not anybody's sock. I haven't even had to read every single page of this thread to know some people here like you have a massively skewed interpretation of Harry Potter. You type a lot, but 90% of it doesn't even make any sense.

You also have bizarre rules that you clearly just made up yourself like "we can use the books for certain things".

You sure you aren't a sock? My interpretation of Harry Potter is based off what I see and here. You have a different view of Harry Potter, thinking voldemort is the more powerful wizard.

I just assumed that's that what you do. If someone asks you a question that the movie can't answer but the book can then you bring the book in. Thats what I was trying to show. I'm not bringing in feats from the as that is against the rules.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No you havent you basically just gave one post that was irrelevant. You can repost it so I can give you commentary on it.

That would again interest me if you actually could prove that and weren't so stupid. A water bubble, that's it? Is that all dumbledore has? No what you mean say that's all he used at that point. That's what you should mean. Again this is based off the fact that being on the defensive you don't unleash your full power because you unleash defense power not offense.

There you go again trying to win small irrelevant battles that I have already pointed out.

Ok then we are agreed that both their attention was split thanks for your concession. However I would say that voldemort being the dark lord he would put more aggressive effort into killing both so I speculate on this detail but I believe that if you put into percentage, voldemorts goal and aim was to kill Harry but he was MOSTLY focused on dumbledore so voldemort would be 75% on dumbledore and the rest on Harry while dumbledore was more or less 50%/50% or debatably 60/40. It took you long enough.

It's amazing how little you know about Harry Potter and life. If one is on the defensive and according to you one is on the defensive, one is going all out on defense while the other isn't going all out in offense but they are defending. Whether he had to or not, that was not his full power. Fact. Saying that was all the power he had is a mockery of dumbledore. Just because your attack doesn't meant that was his full power. That's like saying that if I punch you with half power I used full power, just because I punched you. It may have felt like full but it wasn't.

Again all depends on how you want to split and how you look at the battle. You being on voldemorts side would think it was even. However voldemort was just on offense so we see what he can do, we see dumbledore on defense so we don't know there full power so no they are not on even playing field as you may think. Try again.

He went after Harry because he knew he couldn't win. Voldemort dies not that far afterwards and didn't dumbledores death have a purpose while voldemrts was just him losing. He rose to power and then lost it in about a year. You don't want to play the death game here representing that noseless freak.

Well I never said you,were right about the whole thing. I said you were correct that the person who used it was goyle, don't know why I said crabbe. I also said you were right that it was uncontrolled. However you are wrong with that being the form we examine. This argument is about voldemort fiendfyre which was a sixty foot snake. What goyle did was uncontrolled, untamed, and worked against his wishes magical fire. That's what sow one who doesn't know what they are doing causes. Also it's FIRE. FIRESTORM, fire is in the name. Any attack uncontrolled can be dangerous if not kept under control. Also it was fire so burning stuff is a given. Fact.

Which is way more than that worthless sixty foot snake.

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Your one to talk when you have been denied by everyone here except your sock surtur.

You seriously want to play the death game. Who died at the very end of the movie and went like. Awwwwww and died in a disgustingly terrible way? Let me give you a hint. Voldemort.

I responded. I didn't say that's all he has. I'm saying this was the only offensive spell he pulled off against Voldemort. When you're trying to ward off attacks meant to kill you are fighting defensively to survive. Had Dumbledore been better he might have been able to mount more of an offensive.

Concession accepted.

I didn't concede a point. I said based off your own interpretation they were split. That isn't my belief. I just used your own shitty logic back at you. You just make up numbers and foolishly believe this counts for anything. 😂

When one gets into a duel and tries to kill the other to protect himself and the other wizard that is going all out. To suggest he went half assed makes no sense. You're a fanboy for actually believing you have any validity with this horrific claim. I never said he used his most powerful attacks I said he used the best attacks

This paragraph is like the rest of your asinine logic. It makes no sense. The fire is still the same magical fire so we see what it is capable of. That's the point. Far greater feats than killing inferi.

Not at all. Fiendfyre has greater destructive feats.

Dumbledore was already dead. Voldemort rose to power. Voldemort's dark magic assured Dumbledore's inexorable death.

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Dumbledore had to beg Harry to help him find out Slughorn's Voldemort memory.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I can't even break down some of your sentences. You seem a bit confused and are hard to understand. You are a fanboy.

I responded. I didn't say that's all he has. I'm saying this was the only offensive spell he pulled off against Voldemort. When you're trying to ward off attacks meant to kill you are fighting defensively to survive. Had Dumbledore been better he might have been able to mount more of an offensive.

Concession accepted.

I didn't concede a point. I said based off your own interpretation they were split. That isn't my belief. I just used your own shitty logic back at you. You just make up numbers and foolishly believe this counts for anything. 😂

When one gets into a duel and tries to kill the other to protect himself and the other wizard that is going all out. To suggest he went half assed makes no sense. You're a fanboy for actually believing you have any validity with this horrific claim. I never said he used his most powerful attacks I said he used the best attacks

This paragraph is like the rest of your asinine logic. It makes no sense. The fire is still the same magical fire so we see what it is capable of. That's the point. Far greater feats than killing inferi.

Not at all. Fiendfyre has greater destructive feats.

Dumbledore was already dead. Voldemort rose to power. Voldemort's dark magic assured Dumbledore's inexorable death.

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Dumbledore had to beg Harry to help him find out Slughorn's Voldemort memory.

That sounds like a personal problem. Also I have looked through the other page just on the first page. I found that you had no evidence just your speculation of the battle. Voldemort was the attacker but he,could,never amount to,overwhelm dumbledore. He wasn't winning the battle and had to leave the battle since he knew he couldn't win. Dumbledore was not scared, not at all, he was in gryffindor for gods sake. Voldemort was afraid of him as seen twice in the battle. You can call me a fanboy all you want but that doesn't change the fact that Dumbledore is the superior wizard.

Glad you concede that finally. So because someone is on the defensive that means that they suck. How about this, the wizard you,call the best couldn't penetrate his defense. So with that we don't really know dumbledores offensive capabilities but we know voldemorts. So with that dumbledore would have the better offensive, as he is more skilled, wiser, and smarter than voldemort. Also if you responded post the quote.

Concession accepted.

Haha. You are really funny. So with that you concede that Dumbledore is is the superior wizard as he wasn't going all out while voldemort was yet he couldn't get passed his defense. That last post was basically me leading you on. Let me tell you made it work perfectly. Boom concession excepted.

Do we need to bring the snape vs mcgonagall duel up. One was going all out/full power(mcgonaagall) whichever term you wish to use, while the other(snape) wasn't going out yet he was able to fend off her spells. Does snape being on the defense make him weak. His concentration was 100% on mcgonagll up until he got within Carrow range so he could hit the carrows. One could say that he defended so long so he could hit the carrows since right after he did he apparated away. This is speculation but a worthy idea. Does this make snape any less powerful? Dumbledore was on the defense and not all his attention was on voldemort. This is actually fact. If you are worried about someone, your attention is going to be split between the person you are fighting, and the person you are fighting. If dumbledore just went all out he would have left Harry open. When voldemort do his dark wave, if he just went all out and went for voldemort, Harry would have been hit, the fire snake, Harry would have been a greater risk of being hurt. Being on the defense was the best way he could protect Harry and when voldemort was down that's when he would go on offense.

So you disagree with the following? Dumbledore was on the defense, voldemort was on offense, dumbledore was trying to protect Harry, voldemort abandoned his duel with dumbledore, voldemort couldn't penetrate dumbledores defense except one time and he needed to release a wave of dark energy in a 360 degree spread, that hit the entire room. Do you disagree with all that? I shall address your fiendfyre questions in the next two paragraphs.

Firestorm was more impressive as since it was controlled we saw what it really was. However it's debatable as everyone has their own opinion on the best Harry Potter feats. This is on voldemorts fiendfyre not goyles. 2) his was uncontrolled, so we see what and inexperienced person who can't control it can do. What voldmelrt did, that's what feinfyre is supposed to be. With that firestorm is more impressive. Also if you put firestorm in the room of requirement do you think it wont do what crabbe did. So with that an uncontrolled, accidental, untamed, not true feinfyre vs fiendfyre that is true and the actual expression of what it's supposed to be voldemort. So GTFO with that crabbe stuff. He did nothing special it can easily be replicated by any person. It's true form is the giant fire snake.

Point is? Doesn't help you. Dumbledore could have don't that and more if he stayed on the path he was on with grindlewald, it's stated he would have been unquestioned in his title as most powerful wizard of ALL TIME. However he stopped his crave for power and now you got some voldemort fanboys trying to say he's the most powerful. It's laughable. However even with everything that voldemort conquered all that he achieved, he still couldn't beat dumbledore.

Point is?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You sure you aren't a sock? My interpretation of Harry Potter is based off what I see and here. You have a different view of Harry Potter, thinking voldemort is the more powerful wizard.

No I'm not a sock just because I happen to share certain opinions on this specific subject with a poster you are having a spat with.

I just assumed that's that what you do. If someone asks you a question that the movie can't answer but the book can then you bring the book in. Thats what I was trying to show. I'm not bringing in feats from the as that is against the rules. [/B]

It's best just to treat the movies as a separate universe.

Originally posted by Surtur
No I'm not a sock just because I happen to share certain opinions on this specific subject with a poster you are having a spat with.

It's best just to treat the movies as a separate universe.

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Cool.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That sounds like a personal problem. Also I have looked through the other page just on the first page. I found that you had no evidence just your speculation of the battle. Voldemort was the attacker but he,could,never amount to,overwhelm dumbledore. He wasn't winning the battle and had to leave the battle since he knew he couldn't win. Dumbledore was not scared, not at all, he was in gryffindor for gods sake. Voldemort was afraid of him as seen twice in the battle. You can call me a fanboy all you want but that doesn't change the fact that Dumbledore is the superior wizard.

Glad you concede that finally. So because someone is on the defensive that means that they suck. How about this, the wizard you,call the best couldn't penetrate his defense. So with that we don't really know dumbledores offensive capabilities but we know voldemorts. So with that dumbledore would have the better offensive, as he is more skilled, wiser, and smarter than voldemort. Also if you responded post the quote.

Concession accepted.

Haha. You are really funny. So with that you concede that Dumbledore is is the superior wizard as he wasn't going all out while voldemort was yet he couldn't get passed his defense. That last post was basically me leading you on. Let me tell you made it work perfectly. Boom concession excepted.

Do we need to bring the snape vs mcgonagall duel up. One was going all out/full power(mcgonaagall) whichever term you wish to use, while the other(snape) wasn't going out yet he was able to fend off her spells. Does snape being on the defense make him weak. His concentration was 100% on mcgonagll up until he got within Carrow range so he could hit the carrows. One could say that he defended so long so he could hit the carrows since right after he did he apparated away. This is speculation but a worthy idea. Does this make snape any less powerful? Dumbledore was on the defense and not all his attention was on voldemort. This is actually fact. If you are worried about someone, your attention is going to be split between the person you are fighting, and the person you are fighting. If dumbledore just went all out he would have left Harry open. When voldemort do his dark wave, if he just went all out and went for voldemort, Harry would have been hit, the fire snake, Harry would have been a greater risk of being hurt. Being on the defense was the best way he could protect Harry and when voldemort was down that's when he would go on offense.

So you disagree with the following? Dumbledore was on the defense, voldemort was on offense, dumbledore was trying to protect Harry, voldemort abandoned his duel with dumbledore, voldemort couldn't penetrate dumbledores defense except one time and he needed to release a wave of dark energy in a 360 degree spread, that hit the entire room. Do you disagree with all that? I shall address your fiendfyre questions in the next two paragraphs.

Firestorm was more impressive as since it was controlled we saw what it really was. However it's debatable as everyone has their own opinion on the best Harry Potter feats. This is on voldemorts fiendfyre not goyles. 2) his was uncontrolled, so we see what and inexperienced person who can't control it can do. What voldmelrt did, that's what feinfyre is supposed to be. With that firestorm is more impressive. Also if you put firestorm in the room of requirement do you think it wont do what crabbe did. So with that an uncontrolled, accidental, untamed, not true feinfyre vs fiendfyre that is true and the actual expression of what it's supposed to be voldemort. So GTFO with that crabbe stuff. He did nothing special it can easily be replicated by any person. It's true form is the giant fire snake.

Point is? Doesn't help you. Dumbledore could have don't that and more if he stayed on the path he was on with grindlewald, it's stated he would have been unquestioned in his title as most powerful wizard of ALL TIME. However he stopped his crave for power and now you got some voldemort fanboys trying to say he's the most powerful. It's laughable. However even with everything that voldemort conquered all that he achieved, he still couldn't beat dumbledore.

Point is?

I did no such thing. I never said that. I just said he had no chicks to survive. He was up against the greatest wizard ever. You speculate and are being really biased without any proof. Again.

You are delusional. He was going all out but couldn't find the opening to use his most powerful attacks due to trying to survive. I've explained this your mini brain can't grasp it.

Shape was not engaging her just blocking. Entirely different. He also fled. Quit taking two different situations.

False. Both wizards fully engaged the other. You speculating on their attention being diverted goes both ways by your logic but you can't prove it either way. You don't make any sense and can't escape the illogical stance he held back despite his and Harry's loves being on the line.

Voldemort changed tactics due to his limited time frame before the aurors showed up.

Fiendfyre was controlled as well. Same fiery spell and we see how destructive it can be in another scene. Goyle, nerd. Speculation. It took out inferi. Big deal.

So he stopped whereas Voldemoet did not. Thanks for conceding. Dumbledore is a sissy who abandons his goals. Dumbledore died.

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Voldemort sent Draco to kill him. Draco.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
you said you saw it. You are speculating again. You continue to relate yourself in apish fashion. I've already answered this over and over again. Dumbledore was scared at Harry being possessed. Voldemort dictated the fight so this means he was more impressive. Quit lying.

I did no such thing. I never said that. I just said he had no chicks to survive. He was up against the greatest wizard ever. You speculate and are being really biased without any proof. Again.

You are delusional. He was going all out but couldn't find the opening to use his most powerful attacks due to trying to survive. I've explained this your mini brain can't grasp it.

Shape was not engaging her just blocking. Entirely different. He also fled. Quit taking two different situations.

False. Both wizards fully engaged the other. You speculating on their attention being diverted goes both ways by your logic but you can't prove it either way. You don't make any sense and can't escape the illogical stance he held back despite his and Harry's loves being on the line.

Voldemort changed tactics due to his limited time frame before the aurors showed up.

Fiendfyre was controlled as well. Same fiery spell and we see how destructive it can be in another scene. Goyle, nerd. Speculation. It took out inferi. Big deal.

So he stopped whereas Voldemoet did not. Thanks for conceding. Dumbledore is a sissy who abandons his goals. Dumbledore died.

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Voldemort sent Draco to kill him. Draco.

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Haha. First off if Voldmelrt dictated the fight why couldn't he win. If he dictated the fight and win than that would be impressive. I thought you meant he was afraid during the duel. Whether he was afraid or not is irrelevant as his duel was over which Voldmelrt can from.

He was up against the greatest dark wizard. The title of greatest wizard belongs to dumbledore. I actually am not being biased and how do I not have proof. You have no proof. The only proof you had was the special features and that been eliminated.

I doubt that. You call my brain small, get yours x rayed. Dumbledore being on the defensive shows that he can handle whatever Voldmelrt can throw at him and can return in kind but we never see what his full power was. He didn't just use his full power because he wanted to protect Harry, so that way Voldmelrt couldn't do anything on the sly like that tendril trick again.

Still both he and dumbledore were on the defense. Does that make him any less dangerous because he couldn't come back with so many attacks or make him more dangerous because we don't know his full capabilities. You'll see where I'm going with this once you answer.

So if you are fighting sow one and protecting at the same time. All of your attention is on that one person? It should be some on one person and the rest on the other. That's the way it was with dumbledore. This is proven by how dumbledore actually had openings that he didn't take. Just accept it dumbledore is the superior wizard.

He changed tactics because he was losing. So if his abada kedavra was winning against dumbledores expelliarmus he would have changed tactics? No. He would keep pushing until it killed Voldmelrt. He changed tactics because dumbledore couldn't get caught with his defense except for one spell.

Not goyles. It is explicitly shown that it wasn't controlled by goyle in the movie trying to put it out but not being able to and actually throwing his entire wa f in the fire and how it just went every where without goyle wanting it to. So no it was t controlled or its true form. If it were Voldmelrt would have used it agaisn't dumbledore.

Voldemort by order of the Phoenix had gone as far as he could. Also he didn't stop being powerful he just stopped what he did with grindlewald. Trying to gain power to hurt and enslave. He however is still powerful and is regarded by even voldemort as a powerful duelist and Voldmelrt feared him so I believe the answer is clear. Dumbledore is the superior wizard.

All part of dumbledores plan for snape to kill him. What goals did he abandon? He has accomplished more in his life than Voldmelrt in a positive way of speaking. Knowing you if someone says at all your going to say "did dumbledore conqueror the wizarding world twice". Well it wouldn't matter as he defeated the 2nd greatest dark wizard of all time and stalemated the greatest dark wizard of all time and was feared by him. So dumbledore is the superior wizard.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Haha. First off if Voldmelrt dictated the fight why couldn't he win. If he dictated the fight and win than that would be impressive. I thought you meant he was afraid during the duel. Whether he was afraid or not is irrelevant as his duel was over which Voldmelrt can from.

He was up against the greatest dark wizard. The title of greatest wizard belongs to dumbledore. I actually am not being biased and how do I not have proof. You have no proof. The only proof you had was the special features and that been eliminated.

I doubt that. You call my brain small, get yours x rayed. Dumbledore being on the defensive shows that he can handle whatever Voldmelrt can throw at him and can return in kind but we never see what his full power was. He didn't just use his full power because he wanted to protect Harry, so that way Voldmelrt couldn't do anything on the sly like that tendril trick again.

Still both he and dumbledore were on the defense. Does that make him any less dangerous because he couldn't come back with so many attacks or make him more dangerous because we don't know his full capabilities. You'll see where I'm going with this once you answer.

So if you are fighting sow one and protecting at the same time. All of your attention is on that one person? It should be some on one person and the rest on the other. That's the way it was with dumbledore. This is proven by how dumbledore actually had openings that he didn't take. Just accept it dumbledore is the superior wizard.

He changed tactics because he was losing. So if his abada kedavra was winning against dumbledores expelliarmus he would have changed tactics? No. He would keep pushing until it killed Voldmelrt. He changed tactics because dumbledore couldn't get caught with his defense except for one spell.

Not goyles. It is explicitly shown that it wasn't controlled by goyle in the movie trying to put it out but not being able to and actually throwing his entire wa f in the fire and how it just went every where without goyle wanting it to. So no it was t controlled or its true form. If it were Voldmelrt would have used it agaisn't dumbledore.

Voldemort by order of the Phoenix had gone as far as he could. Also he didn't stop being powerful he just stopped what he did with grindlewald. Trying to gain power to hurt and enslave. He however is still powerful and is regarded by even voldemort as a powerful duelist and Voldmelrt feared him so I believe the answer is clear. Dumbledore is the superior wizard.

All part of dumbledores plan for snape to kill him. What goals did he abandon? He has accomplished more in his life than Voldmelrt in a positive way of speaking. Knowing you if someone says at all your going to say "did dumbledore conqueror the wizarding world twice". Well it wouldn't matter as he defeated the 2nd greatest dark wizard of all time and stalemated the greatest dark wizard of all time and was feared by him. So dumbledore is the superior wizard.

Dumbledore was fighting defensively and the attacks didn't kill him and he was on a limited time frame. He was afraid for Harry and cautious during the duel. That's how Dumbledore looked.

No, it doesn't. Voldemort was the greatest dark and overall wizard. That is proof directly related to the films whereas you have zero evidence.

This is what we see Dumbledore capable of during their duel. That makes no sense. He tried to kill Voldemort and was unable to do so.

Dumbledore attacked in the best manner he could against Voldemort at the time.

False. He is protecting Harry by dueling Voldemort. Your speculation isn't proof.

Dumbledore was in the female position not Voldemort. He altered tactics due to time constraints. Speculation. That isn't evidence and just you rambling on.

False. Dumbledore could have sent it back at Voldemort like he did. Goyle showed what it's capable of destructive rise but he failed to control it and it killed him.

Dumbledore was a peer so you fear and respect your peers. Dumbledore never achieved the power Voldemort had. Facts.

He did so after he knew he was dated to die., voldemorts dark magic assured that so albus went to his grave trying to get a positive out of it. That's hogwash. Voldemort achieved more. Grindlewand told the greatest dark wizard where to get the elder wand. Off Dumbledore's corpse.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Dumbledore was fighting defensively and the attacks didn't kill him and he was on a limited time frame. He was afraid for Harry and cautious during the duel. That's how Dumbledore looked.

No, it doesn't. Voldemort was the greatest dark and overall wizard. That is proof directly related to the films whereas you have zero evidence.

This is what we see Dumbledore capable of during their duel. That makes no sense. He tried to kill Voldemort and was unable to do so.

Dumbledore attacked in the best manner he could against Voldemort at the time.

False. He is protecting Harry by dueling Voldemort. Your speculation isn't proof.

Dumbledore was in the female position not Voldemort. He altered tactics due to time constraints. Speculation. That isn't evidence and just you rambling on.

False. Dumbledore could have sent it back at Voldemort like he did. Goyle showed what it's capable of destructive rise but he failed to control it and it killed him.

Dumbledore was a peer so you fear and respect your peers. Dumbledore never achieved the power Voldemort had. Facts.

He did so after he knew he was dated to die., voldemorts dark magic assured that so albus went to his grave trying to get a positive out of it. That's hogwash. Voldemort achieved more. Grindlewand told the greatest dark wizard where to get the elder wand. Off Dumbledore's corpse.

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1. He was on the defensive. The water bubble would have killed him if Harry hadn't gotten so close. Cautious yes, this would be another Eason to why he wasn't going all out to make sure Voldmelrt don't try and do anything on the sly.

2. Greatest dark wizard of all time not geastest of all time merely your opinion. While mine is popular opinion and I shown in the movies. More people consider dumbledore the greater of the two. Evidence. You call someone who has no bearing on the movies proof. That is strictly her opinion and she referenced her reasoning from the books. So with that it's noll and void. I actually have plenty you just ignore it.

3. That's what we see defensively not offensively, also that's what we see when he's protecting someone and he can't just let lose his true power, while Voldmelrt had no need to be subtle, while he was trying to kill Harry and dumbledore wa sin his way so he would go all out offensively. You make no sense.

4. According to you now. Look what happened p. Voldmelrt almost got drowned while it took Voldmelrt a whole bunch of spells before he wa sable to do something to dumbledore and then he couldn't keep him down. Also when dumbledore pushed back with expelliarmus he was winning that to.

5. He's protecting Harry by making sure nothing happens to him and that is staying on the defense. Neither is your speculation.

6. He was in the defense position yes. He changed tactics do not being able to take him down. Fact. If he was winning he would have continued. Fact.

7. That is it when uncontrolled. Glad you concede that. That was feinfyre made from overdose basically. Goyle couldn't stop it or control it, that's why so many flames came out. What Voldmelrt do is the true version and controlled version. Check and Mate.

8. How is that fact. Of course there are powers that voldemort will have that dumbledore won't as he has delved into magic dumbledore doesn't like. However the same can be said for the opposite. There is magic that dumbledore knows of that voldemort wouldn't. However this doesn't change that dumbledore is the superior wizard as believed by Rowling, the majority of potter fans, and the majority of the wizarding world.

Point is? Doesn't prove that either is more powerful than the other. It only proves that dumbledore isn't all knowing. What about voldmelrts mess up that cost him his life. The elder wand mistake that cost him his life. All part of dumbledores plan. To where he would be the last owner, although the did t work out the way he planned, it worked to where he never got the elder wands loyalty. Debatable. Both achieved many things in their life times. Dumbledore out beat Tom by 45 years and has accomplished a lot. I would say both have attained much but dumbledore being the good guy and all his school and adult accomplishments have Tom beat out. IMO

You have been beaten sir. I know you are a terrible debater. You should work on that. Gain some real proof next time. Dumbledore is possibly the most powerful wizard of all time if not the best one of the best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because you want to ignore everything and do your childish rants all skip Bayless. I don't post evidence for children.

Nagini was a Horcrux so what's that mean to you. If you know the definition of a Horcrux you know you're wrong. You didn't know Nagini was a Horcrux. Shameful.

How could I ignore anything when you refuse to post any "evidence" you claim to have? You already admitted you have no proof on this so be a man and admit you were wrong.

You didn't know who killed Snape and you claim to be such a huge fan 😂

Originally posted by juggerman
How could I ignore anything when you refuse to post any "evidence" you claim to have? You already admitted you have no proof on this so be a man and admit you were wrong.

You didn't know who killed Snape and you claim to be such a huge fan 😂

I explained the context, skip. Everything is black or white according to you, bayless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I didn't. I don't post proof to fanboys who just ignore everything because they are biased.

I explained the context, skip. Everything is black or white according to you, bayless.

You really did. You don't post proof period

Youexplained your biased opinion. Waiting on the proof. Still

Originally posted by juggerman
You really did. You don't post proof period

Youexplained your biased opinion. Waiting on the proof. Still

Nagini is a horcrux who always listens to Voldemort as in another extension of him. The only horcurx that didn't was the unintentional one aka Harry. Think you dumb ape.