Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by quanchi112
You wouldn't take the options earlier so you don't get it.

Nagini is a horcrux who always listens to Voldemort as in another extension of him. The only horcurx that didn't was the unintentional one aka Harry. Think you dumb ape.

Because your terms were dumb. If you have proof, post it. You didn't so the logical conclusion is that you don't

Nagini listening doesn't make her an extention of Voldemort anymore than say Lestrange. And being a Horcrux doesn't make her a slave to his will any more than say Harry. Nagini choosing to obey him doesn't net him the kill. Try harder

I never saw Nagini as an extension of Voldemort. It was more just a reminder of his stupidity. He put a piece of his soul in an animal that wasn't immortal. He seriously would of been better off using an old soda can or something.

So yes Nagini killed Snape. Of course this doesn't mean Voldemort couldn't of killed him if he wanted to.

Originally posted by Surtur
I never saw Nagini as an extension of Voldemort. It was more just a reminder of his stupidity. He put a piece of his soul in an animal that wasn't immortal. He seriously would of been better off using an old soda can or something.

So yes Nagini killed Snape. Of course this doesn't mean Voldemort couldn't of killed him if he wanted to.

No one saw it that way. Quan is just saying it now so he can say he wasn't wrong on a technicality

Originally posted by juggerman
Because your terms were dumb. If you have proof, post it. You didn't so the logical conclusion is that you don't

Nagini listening doesn't make her an extention of Voldemort anymore than say Lestrange. And being a Horcrux doesn't make her a slave to his will any more than say Harry. Nagini choosing to obey him doesn't net him the kill. Try harder

Did Voldemort put an intentional horcurx in Bellatrix ? 😂

So you believe a snakes brain is equal to a humans brain ?

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
What would the terms matter ? You claimed you were right so I guess you weren't confident.

Did Voldemort put an intentional horcurx in Bellatrix ? 😂

So you believe a snakes brain is equal to a humans brain ?

😂

If the terms didn't matter why'd you back down from my wager? How about this: I'll accept yours if you accept mine with the same wager? Will you man up for once in your life or continue to cower?

Strawman

Strawman

Originally posted by juggerman
If the terms didn't matter why'd you back down from my wager? How about this: I'll accept yours if you accept mine with the same wager? Will you man up for once in your life or continue to cower?

Strawman

Strawman

I just cited the circumstances and why they are different. Your examples ignore the similarities. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because you wouldn't accept mine. I already told you this.

I just cited the circumstances and why they are different. Your examples ignore the similarities. 🙂

So I'm accepting yours, all you have to do is accept mine.

You strawmanned. I explained why your reasoning doesn't work already.

Originally posted by juggerman
So I'm accepting yours, all you have to do is accept mine.

You strawmanned. I explained why your reasoning doesn't work already.

I told you why it does. A piece of him is in there so Voldemort absolutely killed him. You can't deny facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You had your chance. You blew it.

I told you why it does. A piece of him is in there so Voldemort absolutely killed him. You can't deny facts.

Cowering as usual 😂

I told you why it doesn't work. You're just too far in denial to accept it

Originally posted by juggerman
Cowering as usual 😂

I told you why it doesn't work. You're just too far in denial to accept it

A piece of his soul is inside the snake. Undeniable. You continue to deny facts as per your norm.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. He was on the defensive. The water bubble would have killed him if Harry hadn't gotten so close. Cautious yes, this would be another Eason to why he wasn't going all out to make sure Voldmelrt don't try and do anything on the sly.

2. Greatest dark wizard of all time not geastest of all time merely your opinion. While mine is popular opinion and I shown in the movies. More people consider dumbledore the greater of the two. Evidence. You call someone who has no bearing on the movies proof. That is strictly her opinion and she referenced her reasoning from the books. So with that it's noll and void. I actually have plenty you just ignore it.

3. That's what we see defensively not offensively, also that's what we see when he's protecting someone and he can't just let lose his true power, while Voldmelrt had no need to be subtle, while he was trying to kill Harry and dumbledore wa sin his way so he would go all out offensively. You make no sense.

4. According to you now. Look what happened p. Voldmelrt almost got drowned while it took Voldmelrt a whole bunch of spells before he wa sable to do something to dumbledore and then he couldn't keep him down. Also when dumbledore pushed back with expelliarmus he was winning that to.

5. He's protecting Harry by making sure nothing happens to him and that is staying on the defense. Neither is your speculation.

6. He was in the defense position yes. He changed tactics do not being able to take him down. Fact. If he was winning he would have continued. Fact.

7. That is it when uncontrolled. Glad you concede that. That was feinfyre made from overdose basically. Goyle couldn't stop it or control it, that's why so many flames came out. What Voldmelrt do is the true version and controlled version. Check and Mate.

8. How is that fact. Of course there are powers that voldemort will have that dumbledore won't as he has delved into magic dumbledore doesn't like. However the same can be said for the opposite. There is magic that dumbledore knows of that voldemort wouldn't. However this doesn't change that dumbledore is the superior wizard as believed by Rowling, the majority of potter fans, and the majority of the wizarding world.

Point is? Doesn't prove that either is more powerful than the other. It only proves that dumbledore isn't all knowing. What about voldmelrts mess up that cost him his life. The elder wand mistake that cost him his life. All part of dumbledores plan. To where he would be the last owner, although the did t work out the way he planned, it worked to where he never got the elder wands loyalty. Debatable. Both achieved many things in their life times. Dumbledore out beat Tom by 45 years and has accomplished a lot. I would say both have attained much but dumbledore being the good guy and all his school and adult accomplishments have Tom beat out. IMO

You have been beaten sir. I know you are a terrible debater. You should work on that. Gain some real proof next time. Dumbledore is possibly the most powerful wizard of all time if not the best one of the best.

2. Your interpretation and popularity doesn't mean shit. I have. A special features opinion tied into the movie. I win.

3. You repeating yourself and ignoring common sense isn't a point.

4. Voldemort broke free. Cry more.

5. So you agree that your opinion isn't proof. Back to them dueling. Perfect.

6. He was winning but was short on time. Occam's razor.

7. Speculation
Feats matter.

8. Voldemort's movie feats and legacy is greater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Speculation

2. Your interpretation and popularity doesn't mean shit. I have. A special features opinion tied into the movie. I win.

3. You repeating yourself and ignoring common sense isn't a point.

4. Voldemort broke free. Cry more.

5. So you agree that your opinion isn't proof. Back to them dueling. Perfect.

6. He was winning but was short on time. Occam's razor.

7. Speculation
Feats matter.

8. Voldemort's movie feats and legacy is greater.

No not specualtion, it's in the description of the battle. Also the book also enforces this as it says he would have drowned if he didn't disapparatimg so this could translate if Harry didn't get to close.

2. Oh well that would interest me I didn't have the author, who worked closely with each film, the fact that the special features opinion you call evidence was 1) never stated by the producers or directors of that film, popular opinion, and common sense. I win.

3. So if I fight you and all we see is my defense, that means. You know what my offense is? No you haven't seen my offense, you may see me punch fast and do other things but you haven't my true power. So your ability to deny common sense and logic is fascinating.

4. Well breaking free and someone having to let you go are two different things. 😂 How you don't understand that I never will understand.

5. As long as you agree your opinion isn't proof. Do we have a deal?

6. Winning? Where do you see voldemort winning. Please show me where. He changed tactics because he couldn't win. Fact. This is shown in the movies and is proven by the books. 😂 Your losing this fight.

7. No it's not its fact you even admit this. Exactly and the feat is what voldemort showed for fiendfyre. Concession accepted

8. Movie feats its debatable. Here's the thing with feats. Say JK Rowling made it to where we didn't know anything about voldmeort at all. And she put Voldmelrt with all this mass power and destruction. And they fought and the same thing happened in order of the Phoenix. All his feats would mean nothing the moment dumbledore stalemated him while on the defensive. So while voldmeort is powerful he doesn't have any feats dumbledore can't combat. As for legacies. 1) why does it matter? 2) dumbledore unquestionable has the better legacy, as his life is 45 years longer so he had more time to accomplish things. So don't play the legacy card, you will lose boy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No not specualtion, it's in the description of the battle. Also the book also enforces this as it says he would have drowned if he didn't disapparatimg so this could translate if Harry didn't get to close.

2. Oh well that would interest me I didn't have the author, who worked closely with each film, the fact that the special features opinion you call evidence was 1) never stated by the producers or directors of that film, popular opinion, and common sense. I win.

3. So if I fight you and all we see is my defense, that means. You know what my offense is? No you haven't seen my offense, you may see me punch fast and do other things but you haven't my true power. So your ability to deny common sense and logic is fascinating.

4. Well breaking free and someone having to let you go are two different things. 😂 How you don't understand that I never will understand.

5. As long as you agree your opinion isn't proof. Do we have a deal?

6. Winning? Where do you see voldemort winning. Please show me where. He changed tactics because he couldn't win. Fact. This is shown in the movies and is proven by the books. 😂 Your losing this fight.

7. No it's not its fact you even admit this. Exactly and the feat is what voldemort showed for fiendfyre. Concession accepted

8. Movie feats its debatable. Here's the thing with feats. Say JK Rowling made it to where we didn't know anything about voldmeort at all. And she put Voldmelrt with all this mass power and destruction. And they fought and the same thing happened in order of the Phoenix. All his feats would mean nothing the moment dumbledore stalemated him while on the defensive. So while voldmeort is powerful he doesn't have any feats dumbledore can't combat. As for legacies. 1) why does it matter? 2) dumbledore unquestionable has the better legacy, as his life is 45 years longer so he had more time to accomplish things. So don't play the legacy card, you will lose boy.

2. You have no common sense and are ignoring Voldemort's feats. I win.

3. That means you had no choice other than to fight defensively because I had you on your toes.

4. You don't comprehend what you watch, boy.

5. I never said it was.

6. Winning means he hasn't won but was looking better.

7. We see what the fire is capable of when it hits something. Voldemort can control it. Crushes firestorm feat.

8. Movie feats only. Quit breaking the rules.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Movie feats only. Post the proof though. Movie makes it clear Voldemort used the wand to break the barrier but post your book bs.

2. You have no common sense and are ignoring Voldemort's feats. I win.

3. That means you had no choice other than to fight defensively because I had you on your toes.

4. You don't comprehend what you watch, boy.

5. I never said it was.

6. Winning means he hasn't won but was looking better.

7. We see what the fire is capable of when it hits something. Voldemort can control it. Crushes firestorm feat.

8. Movie feats only. Quit breaking the rules.

1. Oh no i am using the movies. If you cared to read I said the book enforces this. The description solely based off the movie I assure you. The movie makes it clear once dumbledore broke concentration he let go of the bubble because Harry got to close apparently. Try again.

2. How don't I have common sense? How am I ignoring his feats? I win as I have way more concrete and powerful evidence. Author>than your special features opinion.

3. Whether you did or not you haven't seen my true power. You have seen me on the defensive, but you have t seen me on real offense. Is any of this registering.
You can keep someone on this toes, but that doesn't mean you are better. Also by your own logic dumbledore is better as, since he was on defense and you say voldemort was dictating the battle he should have won but why he didn't I can't understand?

4. No, you don't comprehend what you watch. You take what you see and make into something totally different. Like this battle for instance. You say Voldmelrt was winning yet you give no evidence why. The end of the battle was a stalemate, and we both agree dumbledore is on the defense while Voldmelrt was on offense. That's an unbiased opinion, you make it biased when you say your favorite character was winning when no one truly was and the battle needed in a stalemate. Now if you wanna get nitpicking we can but the point is the battle was a stalemate.Fact.

5. Ok good we have an opinion. Finally. No more of that interpration being fact you hear. 😂

6. Well whatever you wanna say he wasn't winning. The battle was a stalemate. Now if want to get nitpick we can and look at the details of you want and we can find the victor I have examined that duel several times before dumbledore became my favorite character. Just because you look cooler or whatever you mean doesn't mean you are winning. That's like saying if Loki and Thor get into a battle but Loki uses all this flashy magic yet neither is really winning the fight. Just because he looks better doesn't mean he is winning.

7. So a sixty foot snake that didn't do anything is better than firestorm? I don't agree but as stated before we all have different criteria of what we look for and although I strongly disagree with your opinion it's your opinion and no real way to say which is better. However take goyle out of the equation as you have lost that argument. Put the sixty foot fire snake up against firestorm, which do you honestly believe is better. Don't worry about who made them or anything just based off of when you first saw them, which seemed better.

8. Do you wear glasses. I said the book enforces this. I didn't say the book decided this. Learn to read sir.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. Oh no i am using the movies. If you cared to read I said the book enforces this. The description solely based off the movie I assure you. The movie makes it clear once dumbledore broke concentration he let go of the bubble because Harry got to close apparently. Try again.

2. How don't I have common sense? How am I ignoring his feats? I win as I have way more concrete and powerful evidence. Author>than your special features opinion.

3. Whether you did or not you haven't seen my true power. You have seen me on the defensive, but you have t seen me on real offense. Is any of this registering.
You can keep someone on this toes, but that doesn't mean you are better. Also by your own logic dumbledore is better as, since he was on defense and you say voldemort was dictating the battle he should have won but why he didn't I can't understand?

4. No, you don't comprehend what you watch. You take what you see and make into something totally different. Like this battle for instance. You say Voldmelrt was winning yet you give no evidence why. The end of the battle was a stalemate, and we both agree dumbledore is on the defense while Voldmelrt was on offense. That's an unbiased opinion, you make it biased when you say your favorite character was winning when no one truly was and the battle needed in a stalemate. Now if you wanna get nitpicking we can but the point is the battle was a stalemate.Fact.

5. Ok good we have an opinion. Finally. No more of that interpration being fact you hear. 😂

6. Well whatever you wanna say he wasn't winning. The battle was a stalemate. Now if want to get nitpick we can and look at the details of you want and we can find the victor I have examined that duel several times before dumbledore became my favorite character. Just because you look cooler or whatever you mean doesn't mean you are winning. That's like saying if Loki and Thor get into a battle but Loki uses all this flashy magic yet neither is really winning the fight. Just because he looks better doesn't mean he is winning.

7. So a sixty foot snake that didn't do anything is better than firestorm? I don't agree but as stated before we all have different criteria of what we look for and although I strongly disagree with your opinion it's your opinion and no real way to say which is better. However take goyle out of the equation as you have lost that argument. Put the sixty foot fire snake up against firestorm, which do you honestly believe is better. Don't worry about who made them or anything just based off of when you first saw them, which seemed better.

8. Do you wear glasses. I said the book enforces this. I didn't say the book decided this. Learn to read sir.

2. Movies only. But provide your evidence. You continue to say it. Prove it.

3. Speculation.

4. I cited my reasoning why. You're a troll. I'm done repeating myself.

5. You concede.

6. Quit ignoring the evidence.

7. Yes, due to it being Fiendfyre which we see what it can do when it strikes. It's more powerful than the firestorm based off feats. Just because someone shoots and misses doesn't undermine what a bullet can actually do. Logic and you don't mix.

8. Books do not count. Provide movie evidence. Quit breaking the rules, fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Movies only.

2. Movies only. But provide your evidence. You continue to say it. Prove it.

3. Speculation.

4. I cited my reasoning why. You're a troll. I'm done repeating myself.

5. You concede.

6. Quit ignoring the evidence.

7. Yes, due to it being Fiendfyre which we see what it can do when it strikes. It's more powerful than the firestorm based off feats. Just because someone shoots and misses doesn't undermine what a bullet can actually do. Logic and you don't mix.

8. Books do not count. Provide movie evidence. Quit breaking the rules, fanboy.

1. I'm using the movies. How am I not using the movies?

The author say it as has been agreed upon. Also going by feats , dumbledore can block defend or stand agaisn't anything voldemort has, as seen by the duel in the department of mysteries and his own impressive feats.

3. You concede. Whenever you can't say anything you just post the word speculation.

4. Yes and it's wrong.

5. Good we are in agreement. Stop trying to grab a concession to heal your feelings. We have an agreement.

6. That's what you should do.

7. You and logic definitely don't miss. How do those two things mean the same thing, please explain. Also I asked you a question. Sixty foot fire snake vs firestorm. Which do you believe is more impressive?

8. I used the films but just said the books enforces it. I used the movies as the evidence and the books as confirmation, however the proof was 100% from the movies. How am I a fanboy, mrs voldemort? You and bellatrix must fight a lot. 😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. I'm using the movies. How am I not using the movies?

The author say it as has been agreed upon. Also going by feats , dumbledore can block defend or stand agaisn't anything voldemort has, as seen by the duel in the department of mysteries and his own impressive feats.

3. You concede. Whenever you can't say anything you just post the word speculation.

4. Yes and it's wrong.

5. Good we are in agreement. Stop trying to grab a concession to heal your feelings. We have an agreement.

6. That's what you should do.

7. You and logic definitely don't miss. How do those two things mean the same thing, please explain. Also I asked you a question. Sixty foot fire snake vs firestorm. Which do you believe is more impressive?

8. I used the films but just said the books enforces it. I used the movies as the evidence and the books as confirmation, however the proof was 100% from the movies. How am I a fanboy, mrs voldemort? You and bellatrix must fight a lot. 😂

3. You speculate over and over so I'm right to call you on it. You concede.

4. False. Quit repeating yourself.

5. Concession accepted.

6. False.

7. Fiendfyre. I made my point but you repeating yourself and not responding is another concession.

8. Movies only. You speculate. You fail.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Can't bring the book in here. At all. You couldn't break down the scene.

3. You speculate over and over so I'm right to call you on it. You concede.

4. False. Quit repeating yourself.

5. Concession accepted.

6. False.

7. Fiendfyre. I made my point but you repeating yourself and not responding is another concession.

8. Movies only. You speculate. You fail.

Ok well it's still in the movies so I win.

2. Well those are his feats as well as voldemorts and dumbledore can defend against all of them.

3. How do I speculate? You've conceded.

4. False you are wrong. Dumbledore is the superior of the two. Feats, legacy power,skill dumbledore has more of.

5. Agreement acted stop trying to win small gains.

6. Quit ignoring evidence.

7. So you honestly believe that a sixty foot snake is greater than a cave consuming firestorm? I don't know how or why you think that but I will let it be as its your opinion.

8. Again I used the movies as the fact you idiot. You have lost this debate and here I thought you would be a challenge.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Ok well it's still in the movies so I win.

2. Well those are his feats as well as voldemorts and dumbledore can defend against all of them.

3. How do I speculate? You've conceded.

4. False you are wrong. Dumbledore is the superior of the two. Feats, legacy power,skill dumbledore has more of.

5. Agreement acted stop trying to win small gains.

6. Quit ignoring evidence.

7. So you honestly believe that a sixty foot snake is greater than a cave consuming firestorm? I don't know how or why you think that but I will let it be as its your opinion.

8. Again I used the movies as the fact you idiot. You have lost this debate and here I thought you would be a challenge.

2. He can defend because he has no choice but to since Voldemort dictates the tempo. Hence he was winning.

3. I've explained it numerous times, dummy. Delusional.

4. You repeat yourself ad nauseaum.

5. Concession accepted.

6. That's you not me.

7. Yes, due to greater intensity.

8. No, you haven't. You're too inferior to even de ate a simple point so this is all beyond you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it.

2. He can defend because he has no choice but to since Voldemort dictates the tempo. Hence he was winning.

3. I've explained it numerous times, dummy. Delusional.

4. You repeat yourself ad nauseaum.

5. Concession accepted.

6. That's you not me.

7. Yes, due to greater intensity.

8. No, you haven't. You're too inferior to even de ate a simple point so this is all beyond you.

You would ask me after we have gone through several post. The description of the battle which has three version book movie and video game, and k based it off the movie version. Also voldemort was already slashing so why would that make him drop it. It was part of it, but it was also Harry getting to close that made dumbledore push him back and break his concentration. This is proved in the description of the battle. Look upmBattle of the Ministry of Atrium.

2. Yet he couldn't get passed dumbledores defense and was getting frustrated. Your dictating the tempo is speculation as the flow of the battle went both ways with neither gaining a true advantage over the other. (If you wanna get nitpicking we can)

3. No you haven't. You just say I speculate. Saying something and explaining are two different things and all you have done is said I speculate. You haven't explained how. I'm above making silly comments anymore, you should be too.

4. Yea because consistently need me to as you don't understand or comprehend what you see.

6. I know it you. Quit ignoring evidence. I have embraced and took on and defeated any evidence you think you may have had, which was just one line from someone who doesn't have any influence on the movies.

8. I'm superior to you in these debates and I believe you have been around longer. That's shameful.