Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already explained relativity here.

He didn't do so easily. Albus was on his ass. Voldemort let broke free and didn't even hesitate to respond with an attack of his won.

He was unable to magically stop Voldemort. Voldemort looked superior regardless.

But that's not what you do

It was pretty easy for him. Voldemort got out due to the assist from Harry

Albus never tried to stop the possession. He instead helped Harry see that he could overcome Voldemort on his own

Originally posted by juggerman
But that's not what you do

It was pretty easy for him. Voldemort got out due to the assist from Harry

Albus never tried to stop the possession. He instead helped Harry see that he could overcome Voldemort on his own

No, it wasn't and to think Albus casually did so is ignoring the scene because you troll. You blatantly lie because you're worked up.

So you're saying Albus could have helped magically but chose not to ?

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is.

No, it wasn't and to think Albus casually did so is ignoring the scene because you troll. You blatantly lie because you're worked up.

So you're saying Albus could have helped magically but chose not to ?

😂

No it isn't.

He turned Vlds attack on him and didn't break a sweat doing so.

I'm not saying he could or couldn't have. You are claiming he failed at something he didn't attempt in order to give Voldemort a win he desperately needs

Originally posted by juggerman
No it isn't.

He turned Vlds attack on him and didn't break a sweat doing so.

I'm not saying he could or couldn't have. You are claiming he failed at something he didn't attempt in order to give Voldemort a win he desperately needs

He ended up on his backside. Did you watch the fight ? He's nervous the entire fight. Voldemort is laughing. 😂

So you don't have the balls to even claim it. What I say makes sense while you lack the nuts to even make a claim. Weak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You were wrong.

He ended up on his backside. Did you watch the fight ? He's nervous the entire fight. Voldemort is laughing. 😂

So you don't have the balls to even claim it. What I say makes sense while you lack the nuts to even make a claim. Weak.

Nope

Only clean hit scored was by Albus. Vold was blocked and countered at every turn.

Why would I claim a stance I've never taken? Or something that was never shown. He didn't try to stop the possession. He instead helped Harry defeat Tom on his own

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope

Only clean hit scored was by Albus. Vold was blocked and countered at every turn.

Why would I claim a stance I've never taken? Or something that was never shown. He didn't try to stop the possession. He instead helped Harry defeat Tom on his own

Voldemort hit him with dark energy and put him on his ass.

So why wouldn't he stop the possession if he could ?

He did what he could which makes sense. He wouldn't leave Harry alone to face him if he could stop it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep.

Voldemort hit him with dark energy and put him on his ass.

So why wouldn't he stop the possession if he could ?

He did what he could which makes sense. He wouldn't leave Harry alone to face him if he could stop it.

Nope.

A push that makes you lose your footing but you recover from immediately <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< being trapped in water for a good while and only escaping because your enemy helps your opponent.

Are you asking me to speculate?

He did what he needed to. No more no less. All Harry needed to overcome Tom was a pep talk

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope.

A push that makes you lose your footing but you recover from immediately <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< being trapped in water for a good while and only escaping because your enemy helps your opponent.

Are you asking me to speculate?

He did what he needed to. No more no less. All Harry needed to overcome Tom was a pep talk

He was in a submissive position and stood there. Voldemort broke free and poured it on.

You implied something but then backed down. So you don't believe he can magically prevent it. Thought so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep.

He was in a submissive position and stood there. Voldemort broke free and poured it on.

You implied something but then backed down. So you don't believe he can magically prevent it. Thought so.

Nah

"poured it on" to no avail

I didn't, you did. Him failed to stop Voldemort implies he tried. He didn't. What he did do was give Harry a pep talk which did in fact work

Originally posted by juggerman
Nah

"poured it on" to no avail

I didn't, you did. Him failed to stop Voldemort implies he tried. He didn't. What he did do was give Harry a pep talk which did in fact work

Still knocked him on his ass.

Wrong. You raised the question which was silly. Harry did so through aid of he and the friends there. Quit ignoring all the context.

It's pretty obvious that Dumbledore is better. See it's this one fact.

By Order of the Phoenix Voldemort is in his prime. He has a body, his magical knowledge, most of his horcruxes are still in tact there's nothing wrong with him.

Dumbledore is more or less out since age had a slight damper on his dexterity and power yet Dumbledore was able to while not fully focused able to stalemate Voldemort.

Also if Dumbledore continued on his grab of power he would have been unquestionably THE MOST POWERFUL WIZARD OF ALL TIME. Voldemort went as far as he could and wasn't at that stage. So it's obvious Dumbledore has more raw skill/talent then add in his greater magical knowledge and experience then his feats Voldemort does indeed lose to Dumbledore.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's pretty obvious that Dumbledore is better. See it's this one fact.

By Order of the Phoenix Voldemort is in his prime. He has a body, his magical knowledge, most of his horcruxes are still in tact there's nothing wrong with him.

Dumbledore is more or less out since age had a slight damper on his dexterity and power yet Dumbledore was able to while not fully focused able to stalemate Voldemort.

Also if Dumbledore continued on his grab of power he would have been unquestionably THE MOST POWERFUL WIZARD OF ALL TIME. Voldemort went as far as he could and wasn't at that stage. So it's obvious Dumbledore has more raw skill/talent then add in his greater magical knowledge and experience then his feats Voldemort does indeed lose to Dumbledore.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. Albus also had the most powerful wand ever and still looked inferior to Voldemort.

Dumbledore beat someone who held the elder wand so not seeing how having the elder wand will make a difference.

Dumbleodre wasn't going all out in his battle with Voldy and still came out as superior.

Just to clarify I know the elder wand is the most powerful but having it doesn't make you unbeatable and I'm not seeing based off its history what edge it will give you since its been passed from person to person.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Explain how it's speculation.

Dumbledore beat someone who held the elder wand so not seeing how having the elder wand will make a difference.

Dumbleodre wasn't going all out in his battle with Voldy and still came out as superior.

That person isn't Voldemort so what's your point. Skill varies.

No, you're a fanboy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Just to clarify I know the elder wand is the most powerful but having it doesn't make you unbeatable and I'm not seeing based off its history what edge it will give you since its been passed from person to person.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already have before.

That person isn't Voldemort so what's your point. Skill varies.

No, you're a fanboy.

You know saying something is speculation isn't proving its speculation. 😂

That the person Dumbledore fought is factually close to Voldmoerts power if not exceedingly on par and can contend with him since Dumbledore himself said he was only a shade above him in power and skill. Yea skill does vary and Dumbledores skill was more than enough to contend with Voldemort and he wasn't even going all out.

If you can prove me wrong then please go ahead. Dumbleodre was pretty much in defensive and we've seen that he was able to take and deflect pretty much everything while Voldmeort was almost taken out by his water spell and Dumbleodre arguably has the best feat in the potter universe as of the movies and the books.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one ever said it made you unbeatable but it's an edge he had and he still looked inferior to Voldemort.

LOOKED. So you admit this is all your perception while the facts show differently.

Dumbleodre blocked everything Voldmelrt threw at him.

Dumbledore got a direct hit with his water spell while a old wort needed phase 2 room consuming attack that didn't really affect Dumbleodre that much.

Voldemort had a frightened face at the end of his battle whcih was in fact fear and chose to attack Harry instead of continuing and the aurors didn't show up until he was done possessing and it took minutes which would have been more time to fight Dumbleodre.

Those are facts that are seen onscreen. They aren't speculative, they aren't debatable you can go and see the fight again and see those are indisputable.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You know saying something is speculation isn't proving its speculation. 😂

That the person Dumbledore fought is factually close to Voldmoerts power if not exceedingly on par and can contend with him since Dumbledore himself said he was only a shade above him in power and skill. Yea skill does vary and Dumbledores skill was more than enough to contend with Voldemort and he wasn't even going all out.

If you can prove me wrong then please go ahead. Dumbleodre was pretty much in defensive and we've seen that he was able to take and deflect pretty much everything while Voldmeort was almost taken out by his water spell and Dumbleodre arguably has the best feat in the potter universe as of the movies and the books.

Same thing.

You are giving your opinion aka speculating.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
LOOKED. So you admit this is all your perception while the facts show differently.

Dumbleodre blocked everything Voldmelrt threw at him.

Dumbledore got a direct hit with his water spell while a old wort needed phase 2 room consuming attack that didn't really affect Dumbleodre that much.

Voldemort had a frightened face at the end of his battle whcih was in fact fear and chose to attack Harry instead of continuing and the aurors didn't show up until he was done possessing and it took minutes which would have been more time to fight Dumbleodre.

Those are facts that are seen onscreen. They aren't speculative, they aren't debatable you can go and see the fight again and see those are indisputable.

He looked pissed and then changed his tactics. You obviously don't know what fear looks like so go look in the mirror. Now you'll know what it looks like.