Originally posted by juggermanYes.
NoConcession accepted
You are saying things happened without any evidence besides "well it makes sense to me". Again not gonna fly
You're the one with me on your mind. Go make a friend or two
You can't atitcukate your own points. You're a horrible role model.
It is consistent within the portrayals and their abilities. Your take isn't consistent and makes them both out to panic.
You're a loser. 💃
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.You can't atitcukate your own points. You're a horrible role model.
It is consistent within the portrayals and their abilities. Your take isn't consistent and makes them both out to panic.
You're a loser. 💃
No
Learn to spell
Again you are recreating events to your liking. Doesn't fly
Stop fantasizing about me
Originally posted by juggermanYes.
NoLearn to spell
Again you are recreating events to your liking. Doesn't fly
Stop fantasizing about me
Learn how to articulate your points. I just did what you asked now you do the same, boring guy.
No, I am not I am consistent within their portrayals.
You're just a loser.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.Learn how to articulate your points. I just did what you asked now you do the same, boring guy.
No, I am not I am consistent within their portrayals.
You're just a loser.
No
Concession accepted spelling bee champ
You invented a scene
That you can't get off your mind
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So Albus is still no.1 right... good... thread over. Juggs already accepted your concession months ago.
Canon
Originally posted by juggermanYes.
Do you even know what you are saying yes to?You did but you don't even know what the term means.
I'm a loser that you can't keep off your mind
Irony
Yes, I do so I know for a fact I never moved any goalposts during this debate. When I asked you said nothing.
When I respond to a loser I think of the loser. Once it's submitted I forget about you and am onto the next post.
Nah.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Heard. So you've heard other interpretations which are there own and again not necessarily true for an overall. For instance what I say is in fact my opinion, however I have read all the books and have seen the movies and can say in a general bases they are the same. That's a specific diffenrce. Not feeling in one and feeling it in one isn't a huge diffenrce. It wouldn't change anything in the films. So was the battle with Dumbeldore and Voldmeort. It's generally the same, same meaning same everything behind it except the attacks are diffenent however Dumbleodre does in both use a water bubble in both. It's the same thing just small differences. So yes they are GENERALLY the same. Scene for scene isn't the same which ain't really that important. JK Rowling gave it the official stamp of approval and did in fact go over the scripts with Steve Klovis to make sure it stayed in line with her vision. So until you read the books yourself don't try it. The books are the same as the movies in a general sense.
*cough*
What? While I generally agree that Dumbledore > Voldemort, you can't be serious here. There isn't a huge difference between the movie and the novel fight? Right. Let me give you a recap of the novel fight:
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[*]Voldemort confronts Harry. When he fires a killing curse at him, that is intercepted by a statue of the fountain in the MoM hall coming to life.
[*]Dumbledore appears and is greeted with another killing curse, disappears, reappears and animates the other statues in the fountain. One pins down Bellatrix Lestrange, the other circle out, one attacks Voldemort who vanishes, reappears, fires a killing curse that misses Dumbledore.
[*]Dumbledore casts a spell on his own, powerful enough for Harry - despite being covered by a golden statue coming to life and several meters away - to actually sense that power.
[*]Voldemort summons some kind of shields and deflects the spell, noticing that Dumbledore is not trying to kill him, which leads to a little chat between the two about things that might be worse than death.
[*]Voldemort fires another killing curse that shatters one of the statues that has moved in front of Dumbledore to intercept the spell.
[*]Dumbledore casts a firey rope that completely encircles Voldemort.
[*]Voldemort transforms the rope into a serpent.
[*]Voldemort vanishs, the serpent attacks Dumbledore who vanishs it. At the same time, Voldemort reappears in the fountain and fires another killing curse, that is intercepted by Fawkes.
[*]Dumbledore captures Voldemort in the water bubble.
[*]Voldemort simply disappears from inside the water and starts to possess Harry
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And you don't see a "huge difference" between those two depictions of their duel? With the exception of the Serpent and the water attack, pretty much nothing happens as it does in the book.
What doesn't change is the fact, that Voldemort couldn't defeat Dumbledore in a duel. Even if one assumes that Voldemort is at least Dumbledore's equal or even his superior. The reason for that is right in Dumbledore's hand: The Elder Wand. Which appears to be even more powerful in the movie that it is in the book, provided that Dumbledore can "catch" the killing curse with it in a priori incantatem like fashion, which should be impossible. One also might want to have a look at the firestorm that Dumbledore unleashes (while being nigh a coma through poisoning) in "Halfblood Prince" or look at Voldemort uses of the wand (when he isn't even the true master of it) in "Deathly Hallows Part 2".
As long as Dumbledore has the Wand, Voldemort doesn't have a chance.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.Yes, I do so I know for a fact I never moved any goalposts during this debate. When I asked you said nothing.
When I respond to a loser I think of the loser. Once it's submitted I forget about you and am onto the next post.
Nah.
I doubt it
You can't even tell me what it means.
I'm in your head
Yup
Originally posted by Nai
*cough*
What? While I generally agree that Dumbledore > Voldemort, you can't be serious here. There isn't a huge difference between the movie and the novel fight? Right. Let me give you a recap of the novel fight:[list]
[*]Voldemort confronts Harry. When he fires a killing curse at him, that is intercepted by a statue of the fountain in the MoM hall coming to life.
[*]Dumbledore appears and is greeted with another killing curse, disappears, reappears and animates the other statues in the fountain. One pins down Bellatrix Lestrange, the other circle out, one attacks Voldemort who vanishes, reappears, fires a killing curse that misses Dumbledore.
[*]Dumbledore casts a spell on his own, powerful enough for Harry - despite being covered by a golden statue coming to life and several meters away - to actually sense that power.
[*]Voldemort summons some kind of shields and deflects the spell, noticing that Dumbledore is not trying to kill him, which leads to a little chat between the two about things that might be worse than death.
[*]Voldemort fires another killing curse that shatters one of the statues that has moved in front of Dumbledore to intercept the spell.
[*]Dumbledore casts a firey rope that completely encircles Voldemort.
[*]Voldemort transforms the rope into a serpent.
[*]Voldemort vanishs, the serpent attacks Dumbledore who vanishs it. At the same time, Voldemort reappears in the fountain and fires another killing curse, that is intercepted by Fawkes.
[*]Dumbledore captures Voldemort in the water bubble.
[*]Voldemort simply disappears from inside the water and starts to possess Harry
[/list]And you don't see a "huge difference" between those two depictions of their duel? With the exception of the Serpent and the water attack, pretty much nothing happens as it does in the book.
What doesn't change is the fact, that Voldemort couldn't defeat Dumbledore in a duel. Even if one assumes that Voldemort is at least Dumbledore's equal or even his superior. The reason for that is right in Dumbledore's hand: The Elder Wand. Which appears to be even more powerful in the movie that it is in the book, provided that Dumbledore can "catch" the killing curse with it in a priori incantatem like fashion, which should be impossible. One also might want to have a look at the firestorm that Dumbledore unleashes (while being nigh a coma through poisoning) in "Halfblood Prince" or look at Voldemort uses of the wand (when he isn't even the true master of it) in "Deathly Hallows Part 2".
As long as Dumbledore has the Wand, Voldemort doesn't have a chance.
I believe you may have misunderstood that post so I shall clarify. No I'm not saying that the two are exactly alike cause they aren't. I understand that. However on a general bases I'm trying t explain to Quan not diffenent realisticly. All of what you mentioned while correct is specific changes. I'm talking about a general even, the power hasn't changed, on who's more powerful than the other, location, circumstances being that Dumbleodre has elder wand, each are portrayed character wise as they are in the books. The specific powers that they use and that Fawkes doesn't show up to take a killing curse and the things you mentioned are either not their or are altered however on a general bases its the same.
*Voldmeort does confront Harry and I would bet he was in fact planning on killing him if Dumbledore had t showed up since from day one that's all he wanted to do.
* Voldmeort then shoots Avada Kedavra and Dumbleodre uses expelliamrus. Generally that's how they both start however it trails off as Dumbledore and Voldmeort continue with this while in the book all of what you said is true, he uses the statues that pin down bellatrix and protect Harry.
* The one about Harry feeling the power is just a detail their that really can be implied in the movies. Not something that was changed since why would that even be mentioned in the movies? They're fighting however I'm sure Harry felt the power when he was pushed back by Dumbledore lol.
* This one yes you are correct is completely left out of the movie. Also what is your view on not trying to kill him in the movies. It's never mentioned however in the book he uses the same water spell that imprisons him as he does in the book so do you think he also wasn't trying to kill him in the movies?
* All statues involved attacks yes are left out.
*Voldmeort uses a fiery serpent to attack Dumbleodre and he repels it. However Dumbleodre doesn't use a sheild to block this he simply slashes and deflects it. The snake was transformed by the twos attacks.
* Dumbleodre destroys the snake and sends it back to Voldmoert so in a way "vanishing" it. Apologies for the cheesiness and being so specific.
* End of deul he gives up and just possesses Harry.
So generally speaking yes it's the same. Once you get to specifics you are correct there are differences.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Irony.I know what it means but you saying it made no sense since I never once altered my stance or moved goalposts.
Nah, just a loser.
Nah.
Somthing else you don't know the meaning of?
You don't
One you can't stop thinking about
Yerp
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Albus is still No. 1... Concession was noted by Juggs
He's just full of concessions