Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.

Yes.

So now you're flat out lying. Harry at a no point aided Voldemort. Albus was there supporting him. Watch this scene with your mom or something. Let her explain what happened.

No

No

I don't lie like you. Harry's very presence aided Voldemort as it made it impossible for Albus to completely focus on his duel. Harry saved Tom's ass and you know it.

Albus, easily. Even the creator agrees.

Originally posted by juggerman
No

No

I don't lie like you. Harry's very presence aided Voldemort as it made it impossible for Albus to completely focus on his duel. Harry saved Tom's ass and you know it.

Yes.

You claimed Harry aided Voldemort. Prove it.

So Harry walking around made it impossible for Albus to focus ? Do you even listen to yourself. I had him but I heard him walking around and lost it.

😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Albus, easily. Even the creator agrees.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus spent years in utter fear of Voldemort and his return. He was panicking and didn't know how to protect Harry and even ignored him out of desperation.

Albus succeeded in protecting Harry, Voldemort failed to protect his own bodies. If he feared Riddle in anyway, in didn't matter in the end. Voldemort in the other hand, was stated to fear Albus several times 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
He fought against a weaker foe not the Lord Voldemort. Albus failed to best Voldemort with the Elder Wand.

Speculation. Voldemort is powerful and knows many forbidden curses, he's resourceful, he has carisma, but as a duelist his only feat worth naming is matching Albus for a bit. He most certainly never beat the master of the Elder Wand, as a matter of fact, he failed entirely when he tried despite using Potter to his advantage.

He never dominated Potter as Snape did in the Sixth Movie, as a matter of fact Harry always stood his ground despite being young, inexperienced and weaker by orders of magnitude.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He created horcruxes a band of people needed to ally to attack. That's how impressive he was. Voldemort's dark magic fatally wounded Albus.

😂

Do you seriously think building horocruxes was beyond Albus's powers? They were just safety net that Voldemort had to use and he was caught with his pants down several times despite of them. The horocruxes were dispatched by a bunch of kids, because they outwitted Voldemort who had many more resources than them at his disposal.

Maybe Voldemort can win this battle with one-sided prep 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.

Yes.

You claimed Harry aided Voldemort. Prove it.

So Harry walking around made it impossible for Albus to focus ? Do you even listen to yourself. I had him but I heard him walking around and lost it.

😂

No

No

The proof is in the fight. More than once we see Albus' focus split between Harry and Tommy. It's made clear to everyone but Voldemort nut huggers that Albus wasn't able to completely focus on the fight

Harry was in danger being so close to the fight. And if you actually knew HP history you'd know that Albus being so concerned with Harry makes perfect sense when you see what happened to Albus' sister dum dum

Originally posted by Bentley
He never dominated Potter as Snape did in the Sixth Movie, as a matter of fact Harry always stood his ground despite being young, inexperienced and weaker by orders of magnitude.

Damn that's a good point. Snape schooled Harry effortlessly but Voldemort never could. Snape is clearly the better duelist

Originally posted by juggerman
No

No

The proof is in the fight. More than once we see Albus' focus split between Harry and Tommy. It's made clear to everyone but Voldemort nut huggers that Albus wasn't able to completely focus on the fight

Harry was in danger being so close to the fight. And if you actually knew HP history you'd know that Albus being so concerned with Harry makes perfect sense when you see what happened to Albus' sister dum dum

Damn that's a good point. Snape schooled Harry effortlessly but Voldemort never could. Snape is clearly the better duelist

Yes.

Albus was completely focused on the fight that's why we see him defend himself in the manner he does.

No, Albus knew he was breaking free thus he knocked him back as he didn't want him to get hit by the next spell Voldemort was going to toss his way.

Voldemort schooled him effortlessly in OOTP. 😂

Watch the duel, kid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.

Yes.

Albus was completely focused on the fight that's why we see him defend himself in the manner he does.

No, Albus knew he was breaking free thus he knocked him back as he didn't want him to get hit by the next spell Voldemort was going to toss his way.

Voldemort schooled him effortlessly in OOTP. 😂

Watch the duel, kid.

No

No

Albus had split focus and you know it. That's why he pushed Harry back more than once. Him defending himself in that manner is just a tribute to his immense skill

Nothing showed he was getting out. That's just your wishful thinking.

You mean in the mind battle? Nah Harry beat Voldemort's ass in that one 😂

Originally posted by Bentley
Albus succeeded in protecting Harry, Voldemort failed to protect his own bodies. If he feared Riddle in anyway, in didn't matter in the end. Voldemort in the other hand, was stated to fear Albus several times 👆

Speculation. Voldemort is powerful and knows many forbidden curses, he's resourceful, he has carisma, but as a duelist his only feat worth naming is matching Albus for a bit. He most certainly never beat the master of the Elder Wand, as a matter of fact, he failed entirely when he tried despite using Potter to his advantage.

He never dominated Potter as Snape did in the Sixth Movie, as a matter of fact Harry always stood his ground despite being young, inexperienced and weaker by orders of magnitude.

Do you seriously think building horocruxes was beyond Albus's powers? They were just safety net that Voldemort had to use and he was caught with his pants down several times despite of them. The horocruxes were dispatched by a bunch of kids, because they outwitted Voldemort who had many more resources than them at his disposal.

Maybe Voldemort can win this battle with one-sided prep 👆

Albus couldn't best him despite having the elder wand. 😂

Harry was the rightful owner of the elder wand so it never truly belonged to Voldemort. He was not present to see Harry defeat Draco who disarmed Albus.

Harry was disarmed in OOTP you unbelievable stooge. Albus there entered the fray you moron.

Albus was fatally wounded by a horcrux you dumb idiot. Poor Albus. He doesn't even need to prep against Albus and he stumbled into a trap.

Voldemort's feat with the elder wand resisting him against the hogwarts shield is greater than anything Albus ever did.

💃

Originally posted by juggerman
No

No

Albus had split focus and you know it. That's why he pushed Harry back more than once. Him defending himself in that manner is just a tribute to his immense skill

Nothing showed he was getting out. That's just your wishful thinking.

You mean in the mind battle? Nah Harry beat Voldemort's ass in that one 😂

No, he didn't as that would mean he's inept. How many times did he push Harry back ?

We see his powers create force moving a wand. You think Voldemort doesn't even try to use his magical powers to escape ? 😂

In the duel Voldemort won. Harry with aid resisted a possession.

Your poor family with you at the helm. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes. Yes.

No, he didn't as that would mean he's inept. How many times did he push Harry back ?

We see his powers create force moving a wand. You think Voldemort doesn't even try to use his magical powers to escape ? 😂

In the duel Voldemort won. Harry with aid resisted a possession.

Your poor family with you at the helm. 😂

Nope twice

He did. Actually it would mean Vold is inept seeing as how he couldn't beat an old man that wasn't even fully focused on him. Now I see why you fight the idea so much. You can't figure out how many times he pushed Harry on your own? Maybe actually watch the scene.

You have no proof he 1. actually used magic there or 2. even if he did, that it was on the verge of breaking him out. You've lost twice on that

Harry beat him there and stalemated/beat him on other occasions as well. Snape was utterly beyond Harry yet Tom was on Harry's level

And right to the personal attacks when you can't make a single point. 😂

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope twice

He did. Actually it would mean Vold is inept seeing as how he couldn't beat an old man that wasn't even fully focused on him. Now I see why you fight the idea so much. You can't figure out how many times he pushed Harry on your own? Maybe actually watch the scene.

You have no proof he 1. actually used magic there or 2. even if he did, that it was on the verge of breaking him out. You've lost twice on that

Harry beat him there and stalemated/beat him on other occasions as well. Snape was utterly beyond Harry yet Tom was on Harry's level

And right to the personal attacks when you can't make a single point. 😂

At no point do the filmmakers portray Voldemort as inept so this just is the final nail in your coffin.

You said multiple times but what other time does he push him ? You're the same dunce that didn't realize Voldemort casually defeated Harry in a duel.

You have no proof of your claim either but mine makes sense due to the history and the portrayal of the characters.

Losing your wand means you lost the duel, dumb dad. Voldemort killed Snape. 😂

I can mock you and make my points at the same time. To an idiot like yourself I know this seems impossible.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus died. He failed to stop Voldemort from coming after him.

With tons of help he doesn't have here 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus needed various allies to help Harry against Voldemort who rose to power after Albus' pathetic death. We see Voldemort face him one on one so he demonstrated unparalleled courage.

Voldemort only rose to power after Albus's death, thanks for providing a good example of their picking order 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus couldn't best him despite having the elder wand. 😂

Try to twist it as much as you want, all this just amount to Voldemort being uncapable of beating the Elder Wand, something Albus did on his own.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Harry was the rightful owner of the elder wand so it never truly belonged to Voldemort. He was not present to see Harry defeat Draco who disarmed Albus.

Why are you even bringing up this non-sequitur?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus was fatally wounded by a horcrux you dumb idiot. Poor Albus. He doesn't even need to prep against Albus and he stumbled into a trap.

Voldemort got killed by everyone and their mother. Albus did succeed in destroying the rigged horocrux and also located the one Voldemort had lost already ( 😂 at his inability to protect them) before dying. He pretty much killed prepped Voldemort twice right there 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort's feat with the elder wand resisting him against the hogwarts shield is greater than anything Albus ever did.

Except the big elephant in the room. Albus defeated the Elder Wand. Voldemort didn't. That's the difference of their powers 👆

Originally posted by Bentley
With tons of help he doesn't have here 👆

Voldemort only rose to power after Albus's death, thanks for providing a good example of their picking order 👆

Try to twist it as much as you want, all this just amount to Voldemort being uncapable of beating the Elder Wand, something Albus did on his own.

Why are you even bringing up this non-sequitur?

Voldemort got killed by everyone and their mother. Albus did succeed in destroying the rigged horocrux and also located the one Voldemort had lost already ( 😂 at his inability to protect them) before dying. He pretty much killed prepped Voldemort twice right there 👆

Except the big elephant in the room. Albus defeated the Elder Wand. Voldemort didn't. That's the difference of their powers 👆

Albus knew of his existence but he had nothing to do with Voldemort sacking the ministry. It takes time and Albus was already dead. Albus fell just like the ministry.
😂

Abc logic you piece of French shit. Albus had the elder wand. Albus was unable to best Voldemort with the greatest wand you piece of French shit.

Context always matters you piece of French shit.

Voldemort stored pieces of his soul in horcruxes but in his human body he proved greater than Albus. A horcrux fatally wounded Albus not the kids even. Poor old kooky bastard.

Context less. Skill matters. Voldemort let looked greater against Albus with the elder wand. So someone who defeated someone else with the greatest wand ever couldn't beat Voldemort you piece of French shit.

Dumbleodre IMO has the most impressive feat in the HP universe with his firestorm. Pretty powerful and covers a lot of ground compared to anything else done in the universe. IMO the best shows of magic are

1. Firestorm
2.Voldmeorts dark magic blast in OOTP
3. Shield shattering charm
4. Harry's Expercto Patronum in POA
5. Dumbledore's water spell in OOTP
6. Voldmeorts fire snake/Feindfyre
Those are the ones I find the most powerful and visual wise great.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Dumbleodre IMO has the most impressive feat in the HP universe with his firestorm. Pretty powerful and covers a lot of ground compared to anything else done in the universe. IMO the best shows of magic are

1. Firestorm
2.Voldmeorts dark magic blast in OOTP
3. Shield shattering charm
4. Harry's Expercto Patronum in POA
5. Dumbledore's water spell in OOTP
6. Voldmeorts fire snake/Feindfyre
Those are the ones I find the most powerful and visual wise great.

Man up and debate for Sauron against my Voldemort.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus fatally wounded himself from one of Voldemort's traps. Albus knew he was screwed so he gave himself up earlier as a chance to gain trust for Snape. Weak old bastard.

Killing two horocruxes in the process, the equivalent of beating Voldemort twice. Keep trying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus knew of his existence but he had nothing to do with Voldemort sacking the ministry. It takes time and Albus was already dead. Albus fell just like the ministry.
😂 .

You're the one putting emphasis on how it happened after Albus's death, I did no such claim. It just goes to show not only Voldemort feared Albus, you fear his prowess too 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abc logic you piece of French shit. Albus had the elder wand. Albus was unable to best Voldemort with the greatest wand you piece of French shit..

So you conceed Albus defeated the greatest wand while Voldemort failed to?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Context always matters you piece of French shit.

Voldemort stored pieces of his soul in horcruxes but in his human body he proved greater than Albus. A horcrux fatally wounded Albus not the kids even. Poor old kooky bastard.

Horocruxes got killed by kids just fine. I guess you'd like to pretend Voldemort didn't lose a part of his soul every time Crabbe felt like using forbidden magic on his horocrux 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
Context less. Skill matters. Voldemort let looked greater against Albus with the elder wand.

Speculation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So someone who defeated someone else with the greatest wand ever couldn't beat Voldemort you piece of French shit.

Inconclusive battle, so speculation. I find funny that you compare the greatest duel of all time with a brief secret scuffle that ended inconclusively.

Originally posted by Bentley
Killing two horocruxes in the process, the equivalent of beating Voldemort twice. Keep trying.

You're the one putting emphasis on how it happened after Albus's death, I did no such claim. It just goes to show not only Voldemort feared Albus, you fear his prowess too 😉

So you conceed Albus defeated the greatest wand while Voldemort failed to?

Horocruxes got killed by kids just fine. I guess you'd like to pretend Voldemort didn't lose a part of his soul every time Crabbe felt like using forbidden magic on his horocrux 😉

Speculation.

Inconclusive battle, so speculation. I find funny that you compare the greatest duel of all time with a brief secret scuffle that ended inconclusively.

Albus died. He was no longer actively involved since he was dead. Voldemort was the threat and the one who rose to power which Albus never did so. Albus was bullied around by the Ministry. 😂

Albus defeated another wizard with the wand. The wand is the most powerful but the skills and what the wizard does with the wand is another matter. Albus beat a weaker wizard with the elder wand. Albus with the elder wand failed to best Voldemort. 😂

Abc logic. We have a direct contest with Albus wielding the baddest wand out there and he didn't win. Voldemort is greater than Grinde.

So you agree it isn't the same thing. The kids survived and even Albus agreed Harry was far more precious than he was. Listen to Albus. Why did you mention crabbe you dimwit.

That is stating a fact. Voldemort let looked superior. Speculation is about something we didn't see but we did see Voldemort look superior against Albus.

We see Albus was unable to even defend Harry and he had to look on and coach after Voldemort changed his tactics due to his limited time. Voldemort knocked Albus on his ass while he wielded the most powerful wand. 💃

Still trolling are we? All of waht Quan says about Dumbleodre being taken out by Voldemorts horcruxes is in fact irrelevant. It has nothing to do with his skill or how he fight in battle. In this battle it's under the presences that Dumbleodore and Volmdoert are health and in their primes, and are on neutral ground. Not sure how anything about his horcruxes has anything to do with skill.

Also if Voldemort were more skilled he would have beat Dumbledore. This is proven by how Dumbledore beat Grindlewald and they were very close in power. Grindlewald had the elder wand and was its master, and still lost. It's all due to skill. Dumbledore has a slight skill advantage, due to having more knowledge of magic, more versatility with it, slightly, and has on several occasions been called the greatest wizard of his age and some all time. Voldmeort on the other hand has been called THE GREATEST/MOST DANGEROUS DARK WIZARD. It's a difference.

It's a great fight, but Dumbledore would win.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Albus defeated another wizard with the wand. The wand is the most powerful but the skills and what the wizard does with the wand is another matter. Albus beat a weaker wizard with the elder wand. Albus with the elder wand failed to best Voldemort.

Again, you speculate that Grinde was inferior in single combat, nothing suggest this and I'd argue that is impossible to tell exactly how good Voldemort is, because he never proved himself by beating an opponent of high caliber.

You bring your hopes and wishes because you know the proof of Voldemort's theoretical superiority can't exist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abc logic. We have a direct contest with Albus wielding the baddest wand out there and he didn't win. Voldemort is greater than Grinde.

The unshakeable fact that you fail to aknowledge is that Voldemort never beat anyone worth a dime and certainly nobody as powerful as Grinde with the Elder Wand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why did you mention crabbe you dimwit.

Isn't Crabbe a legit Horocrux buster? Or am I mixing the dumb kids?

Obviously I'm playing with you here 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is stating a fact. Voldemort let looked superior. Speculation is about something we didn't see but we did see Voldemort look superior against Albus.

Protecting Harry while fighting off Voldemort is a proof of skill, Albus did so seamlessly. That's talent right there, you might need an eye for it though.

So nah, your opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see Albus was unable to even defend Harry and he had to look on and coach after Voldemort changed his tactics due to his limited time. Voldemort knocked Albus on his ass while he wielded the most powerful wand. 💃

So Albus didn't defend Harry? Did he die? Did Voldemort defeat the weilder of the Elder Wand?

We both know the answers to the questions that matter here 👆