Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I believe you may have misunderstood that post so I shall clarify. No I'm not saying that the two are exactly alike cause they aren't. I understand that. However on a general bases I'm trying t explain to Quan not diffenent realisticly. All of what you mentioned while correct is specific changes. I'm talking about a general even, the power hasn't changed, on who's more powerful than the other, location, circumstances being that Dumbleodre has elder wand, each are portrayed character wise as they are in the books. The specific powers that they use and that Fawkes doesn't show up to take a killing curse and the things you mentioned are either not their or are altered however on a general bases its the same.*Voldmeort does confront Harry and I would bet he was in fact planning on killing him if Dumbledore had t showed up since from day one that's all he wanted to do.
* Voldmeort then shoots Avada Kedavra and Dumbleodre uses expelliamrus. Generally that's how they both start however it trails off as Dumbledore and Voldmeort continue with this while in the book all of what you said is true, he uses the statues that pin down bellatrix and protect Harry.
* The one about Harry feeling the power is just a detail their that really can be implied in the movies. Not something that was changed since why would that even be mentioned in the movies? They're fighting however I'm sure Harry felt the power when he was pushed back by Dumbledore lol.
* This one yes you are correct is completely left out of the movie. Also what is your view on not trying to kill him in the movies. It's never mentioned however in the book he uses the same water spell that imprisons him as he does in the book so do you think he also wasn't trying to kill him in the movies?
* All statues involved attacks yes are left out.
*Voldmeort uses a fiery serpent to attack Dumbleodre and he repels it. However Dumbleodre doesn't use a sheild to block this he simply slashes and deflects it. The snake was transformed by the twos attacks.
* Dumbleodre destroys the snake and sends it back to Voldmoert so in a way "vanishing" it. Apologies for the cheesiness and being so specific.
* End of deul he gives up and just possesses Harry.
So generally speaking yes it's the same. Once you get to specifics you are correct there are differences.
Maybe, you didn't understand the direction of my posting.
In the novel, Dumbledore does summon - or rather animate - an army of servants to control the battlefield. At least twice, he is saved by one of them interposing himself between himself and a killing curse firing Voldemort. Especially in the situation of the double attack (serpent + killing curse), I don't know if Dumbledore would have survived without the intervention of his magical pet.
In the movie duel, the properties of the elder wand negate Voldemorts primary magical attack ("blocking" Avada Kedavra). Furthermore, where Voldemort simply vanishes from the water in the book in the novel version, he apparently needs to distract Dumbledore in the movie version (by aiming a spell at Harry) in order to get out of that water.
The differences are of importance here in two ways: First thing is, Dumbledore can't fully commit to the duel, because he always needs to protect Harry as well [which takes away the option of apparition]. Furthermore, Voldemort gains a way to put additional pressure on Dumbledore (aiming attacks at Harry, which he does the entire time).
So the movie has Voldemort acting in a "weaker" fashion, just because he tries to drag Harry into the duel. That doesn't, however, mean that he needed to do so (e.g. to escape from the "water prison"😉. Which is what you seem to assume the entire time. In the actual duel, they look rather "equal" with Voldemort even putting pressure on Dumbledore without attacking Harry (namely in the sequence after the water attack - that "darkness" spell and the following attack with the glass shards). Dumbledore doesn't really look that good in that two instances.
Still: As long as he has the Elde Wand, he would most likely win. Especially, if he doesn't need to care about Harry as additional target for Voldemort.
Originally posted by Nai
Maybe, you didn't understand the direction of my posting.In the novel, Dumbledore does summon - or rather animate - an army of servants to control the battlefield. At least twice, he is saved by one of them interposing himself between himself and a killing curse firing Voldemort. Especially in the situation of the double attack (serpent + killing curse), I don't know if Dumbledore would have survived without the intervention of his magical pet.
In the movie duel, the properties of the elder wand negate Voldemorts primary magical attack ("blocking" Avada Kedavra). Furthermore, where Voldemort simply vanishes from the water in the book in the novel version, he apparently needs to distract Dumbledore in the movie version (by aiming a spell at Harry) in order to get out of that water.
The differences are of importance here in two ways: First thing is, Dumbledore can't fully commit to the duel, because he always needs to protect Harry as well [which takes away the option of apparition]. Furthermore, Voldemort gains a way to put additional pressure on Dumbledore (aiming attacks at Harry, which he does the entire time).
So the movie has Voldemort acting in a "weaker" fashion, just because he tries to drag Harry into the duel. That doesn't, however, mean that he needed to do so (e.g. to escape from the "water prison"😉. Which is what you seem to assume the entire time. In the actual duel, they look rather "equal" with Voldemort even putting pressure on Dumbledore without attacking Harry (namely in the sequence after the water attack - that "darkness" spell and the following attack with the glass shards). Dumbledore doesn't really look that good in that two instances.
Still: As long as he has the Elde Wand, he would most likely win. Especially, if he doesn't need to care about Harry as additional target for Voldemort.
I think I should clarify something. I'm not fighting you cause I see your point and it's right in terms of specific powers and movements. With that other factors. However I just want you to see that in a general sense they are the same as shown in the break down. Keep in mind I'm saying IN A GENERAL SENSE.
Here really, all statue powers were taken out as well as Fawkes, I admit that. I also agree I don't know if Dumbldore would have survived if not for his pet.
I'm going to need you to elaborate on the elder wand negating his attacks. In dumbledores deul with Grindlewald, Grindlewald had the elder wand and they were of similar skill with Dumbledore commenting that he was only a shade more skilled if any. Dumbleodre had his regular wand and was able to win, so I need you to explain what you mean by it negates his powers. You used the elder wand so I take it you mean the elder wand itself did it and not Dumbleodre. In that scene with the water, I didn't see him aiming it at Harry, he was really just slashing to get out of the bubble and Harry got to close and he broke his concentration to push Harry back.
Different really, I guess it's all opinion for them to be weaker. IMO I would say Dumbleodre appeared weaker since he didn't animate all those statues like he did but that's just me. You take my assumption incorrectly. Yes I saw them as very close in power, however I disagree with the following sentences. Putting pressure on Dumbleodre?!?! The darkness I can see it cause he was knocked over, however knocked over after blocking that spell, then Voldmoert had to take it ll in and blast it all out. Then with the glass how doesn't he look great there? He turns all the shards into sand and then gets up and makes Voldmeort run like a little baby showing he's supeior, so not seeing where your getting he didn't look good. He made Voldmelrt retreat.
Elder wand to me it's to tricky cause I'm not seeing the elder wand make up for any lack of skill due to the Dumbleodre Grindlewald battle. So your opinion it's your opinion I can't debate it cause it to tricky. All I say is it's the most powerful wand in existence and that's fact.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.Yes.
When I face losers I think about the losers.
Voldemort wins. Albus didn't even live long enough to square off against Voldemort again. He died. 😂
Nup
Nup
I'm all up in your cranium
Tom needed Harry's help to escape Albus' bubble. He was Albus' ***** and couldn't do a thing on his own to stop it
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep.Yep.
You're pathetic. Prove it. You made the claim. Albus was fatally wounded by whose dark magic again ?
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Nope
Nope
Was he wounded in that fight? No? Then it doesn't mean shit here. If you get caught in a bear trap by accident, does that mean the trapper can beat you in a straight up fight? Clown
Originally posted by juggermanYes.
NopeNope
Was he wounded in that fight? No? Then it doesn't mean shit here. If you get caught in a bear trap by accident, does that mean the trapper can beat you in a straight up fight? Clown
Yes.
He laid trap Albus fell for. He didn't even need to directly do it to him because he wasn't clever enough to avoid or or find a cure.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.Yes.
He laid trap Albus fell for. He didn't even need to directly do it to him because he wasn't clever enough to avoid or or find a cure.
😂
No
No
If only the trap was for Albus in the first place you might have some semblance of a ridiculous argument. Now all you have is a ridiculous straw grasping nonsense. Guess it fits for you
Originally posted by juggermanYes.
NoNo
If only the trap was for Albus in the first place you might have some semblance of a ridiculous argument. Now all you have is a ridiculous straw grasping nonsense. Guess it fits for you
Yes.
It was a trap for anyone foolish enough to try and tamper. Don't pout because Albus was foolish.
So Albus lived longer, happier, wasn't scared of death, was the Superior wizard and built a better legacy. He fought against the Elder Wand and won, something thought to be impossible.
Voldy got killed like 5 times by kids. He's the kind of guy that only finished NES games if they had infinite continues 😄
Originally posted by BentleyAlbus spent years in utter fear of Voldemort and his return. He was panicking and didn't know how to protect Harry and even ignored him out of desperation.
So Albus lived longer, happier, wasn't scared of death, was the Superior wizard and built a better legacy. He fought against the Elder Wand and won, something thought to be impossible.Voldy got killed like 5 times by kids. He's the kind of guy that only finished NES games if they had infinite continues 😄
He fought against a weaker foe not the Lord Voldemort. Albus failed to best Voldemort with the Elder Wand.
He created horcruxes a band of people needed to ally to attack. That's how impressive he was. Voldemort's dark magic fatally wounded Albus.
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