Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, you speculate that Grinde was inferior in single combat, nothing suggest this and I'd argue that is impossible to tell exactly how good Voldemort is, because he never proved himself by beating an opponent of high caliber.

You bring your hopes and wishes because you know the proof of Voldemort's theoretical superiority can't exist.

The unshakeable fact that you fail to aknowledge is that Voldemort never beat anyone worth a dime and certainly nobody as powerful as Grinde with the Elder Wand.

Isn't Crabbe a legit Horocrux buster? Or am I mixing the dumb kids?

Obviously I'm playing with you here 👆

Protecting Harry while fighting off Voldemort is a proof of skill, Albus did so seamlessly. That's talent right there, you might need an eye for it though.

So nah, your opinion.

So Albus didn't defend Harry? Did he die? Did Voldemort defeat the weilder of the Elder Wand?

We both know the answers to the questions that matter here 👆

Irony. We see he never lost one fair fight. He had the advantage on Albus who wielded the elder wand. We have the extra features state Voldemort is the best wizard.

Context. Fiendfyre never destroyed a horcrux in the films.

Albus dueled against him with the most powerful wand ever. Once Voldemort went after Harry Albus was powerless.

Albus and his friends inspired him but magically Albus was an onlooker as were his friends. As I said it took a team effort against Voldemort.

Your ignorance is appalling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So we know Albus defeated Grinde but he didn't defeat Voldemort and you say we don't know.

Because Voldemort didn't beat Albus. Clear and simple. Your own argument against you:

Originally posted by quanchi112
So we know Voldemort defeated Amelia Bones but he didn't defeat Dumbledore

This symetry makes your intentions moot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Irony. We see he never lost one fair fight.

Did Albus lose any fair fight? In the other hand, he did beat Superior opposition conclusively.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He had the advantage on Albus who wielded the elder wand. We have the extra features state Voldemort is the best wizard. .

Situational advantage given the possibility of harming Potter, also people can have an upper hand in combat when they battle their peers and still end up losing. Nothing that can be employed here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Context. Fiendfyre never destroyed a horcrux in the films.

Yeah, my bad. Dumbledore from the books would stomp hard, that's not even a debate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your ignorance is appalling.

I could be the most ignorant man in the world, but that wouldn't change the outcome of this battle.

Despite that terrible handicap in knowledge I'm still hanging out with your masterly debating skills. Go me!

Originally posted by Bentley
Because Voldemort didn't beat Albus. Clear and simple. Your own argument against you:

This symetry makes your intentions moot.

Did Albus lose any fair fight? In the other hand, he did beat Superior opposition conclusively.

Situational advantage given the possibility of harming Potter, also people can have an upper hand in combat when they battle their peers and still end up losing. Nothing that can be employed here.

Yeah, my bad. Dumbledore from the books would stomp hard, that's not even a debate.

I could be the most ignorant man in the world, but that wouldn't change the outcome of this battle.

Despite that terrible handicap in knowledge I'm still hanging out with your masterly debating skills. Go me!

Just know his special features thing doesn't count. It's from someone who's an author of a specualtion thing about what would happen in Deathly Hallows. So really it's just her opinion.

Didn't Harry say Dumbledore was the greatest sorcerrer in the world?

Isn't Voldemort afraid of Dumbledore?

Didn't Voldemort attack hogwarts after Dumbledore died?

Didn't Voldemort have an ohh I'm about to die face once he saw Dumbleodre was alive after his glass attack?

Didn't Dumbleodre actually beat a person who wielded the elder wand while both were in their primes?

Book Albus stomps.. easily

Originally posted by Bentley
Because Voldemort didn't beat Albus. Clear and simple. Your own argument against you:

This symetry makes your intentions moot.

Did Albus lose any fair fight? In the other hand, he did beat Superior opposition conclusively.

Situational advantage given the possibility of harming Potter, also people can have an upper hand in combat when they battle their peers and still end up losing. Nothing that can be employed here.

Yeah, my bad. Dumbledore from the books would stomp hard, that's not even a debate.

I could be the most ignorant man in the world, but that wouldn't change the outcome of this battle.

Despite that terrible handicap in knowledge I'm still hanging out with your masterly debating skills. Go me!

No, it doesn't.

He looked worse off than Tom despite having the elder wand.

Your ignoring of the portrayal doesn't make it any less true. You're a troll. I am telling you how the characters were portrayed correctly while you're lying and using piss poor logic.

This is the film version, troll. Get the **** out of here with book bs.

You are citing book feats, misremembering things, using circular logic, and ignoring the clear portrayal. Just like Kang you're easily defeated.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your ignoring of the portrayal doesn't make it any less true. You're a troll. I am telling you how the characters were portrayed correctly while you're lying and using piss poor logic.

Your ignoring of context doesn't make it less true.

Anyways, just like Kang I don't go picking fights I know I'll win, I don't need every safety net in the world to come and discuss fictional characters. It's been a while since I watched the films, you can be pretty strict to their showing because you must have the better memory.

I remember perfectly that Voldemort has inferior feats, that he failed to defeat Albus and that you are ignoring context to hype a non-conclusive "edge" in a fight between these two characters. We have been over these arguments a few rounds, you've been unable to conclusively deal with any of them (to be fair, only the last one is up to discussion, the rest are hard facts).

I've said my pace in a respectful and attentive manner and I believe that any more discussion would be just bragging and dragging. Glad to spend quality time with you my friend.

Originally posted by Bentley
Your ignoring of context doesn't make it less true.

Anyways, just like Kang I don't go picking fights I know I'll win, I don't need every safety net in the world to come and discuss fictional characters. It's been a while since I watched the films, you can be pretty strict to their showing because you must have the better memory.

I remember perfectly that Voldemort has inferior feats, that he failed to defeat Albus and that you are ignoring context to hype a non-conclusive "edge" in a fight between these two characters. We have been over these arguments a few rounds, you've been unable to conclusively deal with any of them (to be fair, only the last one is up to discussion, the rest are hard facts).

I've said my pace in a respectful and attentive manner and I believe that any more discussion would be just bragging and dragging. Glad to spend quality time with you my friend.

Voldemort has the superior feats and Albus failed to best him with the greatest wand. He had the better wand by far and couldn't get the job done. You made that up and didn't back any of your claims because you're a silly little troll.

Concession accepted. Next time think before daring to challenge the best. Be careful or I'll turn you into a greasy Rao ensnared in my web.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Book Albus stomps.. easily

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes squared.

At no point do the filmmakers portray Voldemort as inept so this just is the final nail in your coffin.

You said multiple times but what other time does he push him ? You're the same dunce that didn't realize Voldemort casually defeated Harry in a duel.

You have no proof of your claim either but mine makes sense due to the history and the portrayal of the characters.

Losing your wand means you lost the duel, dumb dad. Voldemort killed Snape. 😂

I can mock you and make my points at the same time. To an idiot like yourself I know this seems impossible.

Copycat

He's inept due to the fact he couldn't even beat an old man paying him half attention

Are you saying he didn't push Harry multiple times? Please actually watch the duel for once

You are trying to add things to make it seem like Vold is better than he is

Snape has a better record against Harry. Vold lost more often than he won 😂

You can make a valid point so you resort to getting personal to to hide the fact that you suck at this

Originally posted by juggerman
Copycat

He's inept due to the fact he couldn't even beat an old man paying him half attention

Are you saying he didn't push Harry multiple times? Please actually watch the duel for once

You are trying to add things to make it seem like Vold is better than he is

Snape has a better record against Harry. Vold lost more often than he won 😂

You can make a valid point so you resort to getting personal to to hide the fact that you suck at this

You never backed this claim. You just keep repeating yourself.

Then cite the multiple times. 😂

What did I add ?

I can mock you after I out debate you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have never copied anything from you.

You never backed this claim. You just keep repeating yourself.

Then cite the multiple times. 😂

What did I add ?

I can mock you after I out debate you.

You are a copycat

Albus' attention is not solely on Tom. It's shown in the duel. Tom failed to beat an old man with split attention. Fact

You don't believe there were multiple times?

Powers being used without proof. All you did was speculate

Too bad you'll never out debate me. You run scared whenever I challenge you to a BZ

Originally posted by juggerman
You are a copycat

Albus' attention is not solely on Tom. It's shown in the duel. Tom failed to beat an old man with split attention. Fact

You don't believe there were multiple times?

Powers being used without proof. All you did was speculate

Too bad you'll never out debate me. You run scared whenever I challenge you to a BZ

Yes, it is. We see he knows once Tom is about to break free he knows an attack is coming so he uses that time to knock Harry back.

You may consider him a useless old man but that's just your soon.

Prove it.

I used common sense to understand the scene. You didn't.

I always have. How many have you done ?

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah.

Yes, it is. We see he knows once Tom is about to break free he knows an attack is coming so he uses that time to knock Harry back.

You may consider him a useless old man but that's just your soon.

Prove it.

I used common sense to understand the scene. You didn't.

I always have. How many have you done ?

😂

Yup

So his attention had to be partially on Harry to push him back

I never said useless. What the hell is my "soon"?

Why prove something if you don't disagree? If you disagree I'll school you but if you can actually count then there is no need

You used your Vold nut hugger power to invent things

I know you always have run from me. It's sad man

Originally posted by juggerman
Yup

So his attention had to be partially on Harry to push him back

I never said useless. What the hell is my "soon"?

Why prove something if you don't disagree? If you disagree I'll school you but if you can actually count then there is no need

You used your Vold nut hugger power to invent things

I know you always have run from me. It's sad man

No, his attention is on the duel and the surroundings. If it was t he would never see the water since you believe using his powers on anything outside of Tom means his attention is split. 😂

You didn't watch the scene. Prove it.

What things did I invent ?

You will never do one. You're a joke.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made that up and didn't back any of your claims because you're a silly little troll.

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What is there to back up about my claims? Voldemort did not defeat Albus, that's shown on screen and objectively. No proof needed. Insist in twisting this against Albus all you want, the point that is factual is that there is no victory in Voldemort's side.

My other unshakeable claim is that Dumbledore has the superior combat feats. The only proof needed is to know that Grinde had the Elder Wand and was stated to be only slightly less skilled than Dumbledore. The fight was also stated to be The Greatest Duel of All Time. Why is this a fact? Because even if Voldemort was as skilled as Dumbledore, he never faced the same kind of opposition and defeated them conclusively. This makes Albus's combat feats Superior by definition.

The third claim (the one that is actually up to discussion) has been argued back and forth, and I already aknowledged that I'm satisfied with our debate in that regard.

Originally posted by Bentley
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What is there to back up about my claims? Voldemort did not defeat Albus, that's shown on screen and objectively. No proof needed. Insist in twisting this against Albus all you want, the point that is factual is that there is no victory in Voldemort's side.

My other unshakeable claim is that Dumbledore has the superior combat feats. The only proof needed is to know that Grinde had the Elder Wand and was stated to be only slightly less skilled than Dumbledore. The fight was also stated to be The Greatest Duel of All Time. Why is this a fact? Because even if Voldemort was as skilled as Dumbledore, he never faced the same kind of opposition and defeated them conclusively. This makes Albus's combat feats Superior by definition.

The third claim (the one that is actually up to discussion) has been argued back and forth, and I already aknowledged that I'm satisfied with our debate in that regard.

We don't see him defeat Grinde in the films so it lacks context. Do you know how debating works ? This is films only. Abc logic. Albus beat a lesser with the elder wand which we never see. We do see Albus with the greatest wand not defeat Voldemort.

Reread the rules.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Albus had the superior wand so he had the advantage there and didn't win.

That has nothing to do with my claim. I claimed Voldemort didn't win (either) which he didn't.

Just give this up, you're arguing the third point which is unrelated to my first claim, that's called strawmaning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't see him defeat Grinde in the films so it lacks context. Do you know how debating works ? This is films only. Abc logic. Albus beat a lesser with the elder wand which we never see. We do see Albus with the greatest wand not defeat Voldemort.

We never see him defeat Grinde in any media, but we have hearsay of how things went. Do you want me to fetch the scènes that refer to the duel itself? Would that make you conceed this point?

There you go again misrepresenting my claims. My claim is solely that Albus Dumbledore faced superior opposition that was defeated conclusively, that is something that Voldemort cannot brag about.

Originally posted by Bentley
That has nothing to do with my claim. I claimed Voldemort didn't win (either) which he didn't.

Just give this up, you're arguing the third point which is unrelated to my first claim, that's called strawmaning.

We never see him defeat Grinde in any media, but we have hearsay of how things went. Do you want me to fetch the scènes that refer to the duel itself? Would that make you conceed this point?

There you go again misrepresenting my claims. My claim is solely that Albus Dumbledore faced superior opposition that was defeated conclusively, that is something that Voldemort cannot brag about.

We see him in the film, dummy. We don't see the duel. Did you even watch the films ? I get you're a troll who just enters these debates ignorantly and always concedes like your country does but show a little pride.

Films only. Prove he faced superior opposition since that's your claim. Debating 101, kid.

I told you what my claim was, you can ignore it, misrepresent it, but don't go around calling it unproved when it's obvious to anyone who has seen the film that I'm on the right.

Voldemort. Did. Not. Win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Films only. Prove he faced superior opposition since that's your claim. Debating 101, kid.

Dude, if you wanted me to look for proof about the Grinde duel you could have told me that from the beginning! It's a fair request after all.

I'll see what I can cook for you sometime later in the week 👆