Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The first one was actaully in response to you saying if you fight and your afraid that shows courage, and I gave an example on why it's not entirely true. Which is exactly why I call your theory bogus since he didn't posees Harry from the jump, which actually showed his original purpose wasn't to posses Harry but to get the prophecy. (Irrelevant)

No it won't, since while I'm spoiled they uphold strong education which has led me to high academic achievements. (Irrelevant)

Films based off books so he's I shall continue to quote the books in ways that do not interfere with the films.

So that eliminates that he was there to posses Harry then, and he failed to do so.

Ok just stay there. An advantage. That's it. Don't upgrade or downgrade from there, just stay there. Dumbledore is actaully the greatest, and you have failed to prove otherwise. A lot has changed in the 35+ years since that battle.

One thing I believe you have overlooked is time. Dumbleodre in his prime, it took him 3 hours to defeat Grindlewald who had possession of the elder wand. This battle lasted less than 3 minutes. In that three minutes we see virtually a stalemate but with a slight nod to Dumbledore since Voldemort fled while Dumbleodre wasn't even going all, out on offense.

Different from the books. They aren't the same thing, kiddo.

An advantage Albus had and yet he still couldn't get the job done which speaks highly of Voldemort's skill.

False, we see a nod to Voldemort since he had Albus on his backside and dictated the fight. You're an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he could have apparate away but instead chose to fight it's true but you're retarder and can't follow along with a conversation.

Different from the books. They aren't the same thing, kiddo.

An advantage Albus had and yet he still couldn't get the job done which speaks highly of Voldemort's skill.

False, we see a nod to Voldemort since he had Albus on his backside and dictated the fight. You're an idiot.

Not only have I explained this to you, it's irrelevant to who would win, since neither can leave.

Actually no. Movies just the books in cinematic form.

Again he wasn't aiming to kill, and was really just on defense majority of the time, and the times he did go on offense he proved very successful against Voldemort, every single time.

Yet couldn't kill albus could he? I love how you praise Voldemorts one hit, vs Dumbledores 2. Expelliarmus, and th water spell.mafter Voldemort stopped trying to kill Harry, we see Dumbleodre pushing back and Voldemort was losing ground, and he did encase Voldemort in a water bubble. So this is a Dumbledore who isn't going all out offensively yet still showed he was superior.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not only have I explained this to you, it's irrelevant to who would win, since neither can leave.

Actually no. Movies just the books in cinematic form.

Again he wasn't aiming to kill, and was really just on defense majority of the time, and the times he did go on offense he proved very successful against Voldemort, every single time.

Yet couldn't kill albus could he? I love how you praise Voldemorts one hit, vs Dumbledores 2. Expelliarmus, and th water spell.mafter Voldemort stopped trying to kill Harry, we see Dumbleodre pushing back and Voldemort was losing ground, and he did encase Voldemort in a water bubble. So this is a Dumbledore who isn't going all out offensively yet still showed he was superior.

No, the films had huge differences, horcruxes being destroyed, affecting Voldemort, Voldemort's eyes, the duel itself, etc.

Drowning and burning kill.

Albus had the best wand in creation and he ended up on his ass. Show Albus portrayed as greater in the films then, boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't have to fight Albus he could leave at any time.

No, the films had huge differences, horcruxes being destroyed, affecting Voldemort, Voldemort's eyes, the duel itself, etc.

Drowning and burning kill.

Albus had the best wand in creation and he ended up on his ass. Show Albus portrayed as greater in the films then, boy.

Which is exactly why I call your theory he was there to posses Harry as odd.

Just books in cinematic form.

Author says he wasn't in the books, and the same power(water bubble) is used in the same way, and author says he wasn't trying to kill, so he wasn't trying to kill.

So? Having the most powerful wand doesn't mean you can't be knocked over 😂
The deul how he forced Voldemort to flee, defeating Grindlewald who isn't at all far behind these two in magical powers Dumbledore did say he was only a shade more skillful if any, http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore This site even saying on threeoccasions Dumbledore was thought of as the most powerful wizard of the age, that also includes Voldemort. This is mentioned in the initial summary, personality and traits section and the third is in the powers and Abilites sections, also read the little paragraph, give you some insight. Statements from Hermione(who Steve Kloves the screenwriter says if he ever needs to say something through the films he would say it through Hermione) Harry's statement in Chamber of Secrets, Voldemorts own personal fear of Dumbleodre while Dumbledore had no such personal fear, the deul itself, Dumbledore actually being named by several as the greatest student hogwarts had ever seen and so much more. http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2003/0302-newsround-mzimba.htm

JKR: Absolutely right, I find that all the time in the book, if you need to tell your readers something just put it in her. There are only two characters that you can put it convincingly into their dialogue. One is Hermione, the other is Dumbledore. In both cases you accept, it's plausible that they have, well Dumbledore knows pretty much everything anyway, but that Hermione has read it somewhere. So, she's handy.

Steve: Yeah, she's really handy. And she's also just, I think, just tremendously entertaining. There's something about her fierce intellect coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how she affects people sometimes that I just find charming and irresistible to write.
Your turn to prove Voldemorts side.

On a side note http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Tom_Riddle Voldemorts page has NO mention of Voldemort being THE MOST POWERFUL WIZARD of his time. He has THE MOST POWERFUL AND DANGEROUS DARK WIZARD of all time.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Which is exactly why I call your theory he was there to posses Harry as odd.

Just books in cinematic form.

Author says he wasn't in the books, and the same power(water bubble) is used in the same way, and author says he wasn't trying to kill, so he wasn't trying to kill.

So? Having the most powerful wand doesn't mean you can't be knocked over 😂
The deul how he forced Voldemort to flee, defeating Grindlewald who isn't at all far behind these two in magical powers Dumbledore did say he was only a shade more skillful if any, http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore This site even saying on threeoccasions Dumbledore was thought of as the most powerful wizard of the age, that also includes Voldemort. This is mentioned in the initial summary, personality and traits section and the third is in the powers and Abilites sections, also read the little paragraph, give you some insight. Statements from Hermione(who Steve Kloves the screenwriter says if he ever needs to say something through the films he would say it through Hermione) Harry's statement in Chamber of Secrets, Voldemorts own personal fear of Dumbleodre while Dumbledore had no such personal fear, the deul itself, Dumbledore actually being named by several as the greatest student hogwarts had ever seen and so much more. http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2003/0302-newsround-mzimba.htm

JKR: Absolutely right, I find that all the time in the book, if you need to tell your readers something just put it in her. There are only two characters that you can put it convincingly into their dialogue. One is Hermione, the other is Dumbledore. In both cases you accept, it's plausible that they have, well Dumbledore knows pretty much everything anyway, but that Hermione has read it somewhere. So, she's handy.

Steve: Yeah, she's really handy. And she's also just, I think, just tremendously entertaining. There's something about her fierce intellect coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how she affects people sometimes that I just find charming and irresistible to write.
Your turn to prove Voldemorts side.

On a side note http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Tom_Riddle Voldemorts page has NO mention of Voldemort being THE MOST POWERFUL WIZARD of his time. He has THE MOST POWERFUL AND DANGEROUS DARK WIZARD of all time.

There are clear differences hence the reason this is the movie forum. Quit breaking the rules you simpleton.

I never said that. Try to stay on point it means if gives anyone a power edge on top of their skill. Albus had this advantage but Voldemort out didn't yet he still looked more impressive.

Use cinematic evidence not silly vague statements. We see them duel and Voldemort looked better despite Albus having the greatest wand.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

This sums up what happened rather well:

Rob, the guy who can't debate and his silly little pics. Voldemort wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
This sums up what happened rather well:

😂 😂 😂 😂

So true Rob.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He chose to possess Harry and alter his tactics later. What don't you get ?

There are clear differences hence the reason this is the movie forum. Quit breaking the rules you simpleton.

I never said that. Try to stay on point it means if gives anyone a power edge on top of their skill. Albus had this advantage but Voldemort out didn't yet he still looked more impressive.

Use cinematic evidence not silly vague statements. We see them duel and Voldemort looked better despite Albus having the greatest wand.

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Why you think it's just altering tactics, he fled. That's it. He fled cause he couldn't win.

It's the book just in cinematic form, same thing really.

Not explicitly you didn't, you implied it. You said he had the elder award and got knocked over implying that with the elder wand you should not be knocked over. If it gave one a power edge Grindlewald would have won his deul with Dumbledore. All this is your perception.

Again your perception while I offer actual facts.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
😂 😂 😂 😂

So true Rob.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Why you think it's just altering tactics, he fled. That's it. He fled cause he couldn't win.

It's the book just in cinematic form, same thing really.

Not explicitly you didn't, you implied it. You said he had the elder award and got knocked over implying that with the elder wand you should not be knocked over. If it gave one a power edge Grindlewald would have won his deul with Dumbledore. All this is your perception.

Again your perception while I offer actual facts.

No, it isn't as it isn't exactly the same. If it were then you'd have a point.

No, I said the elder wand gives you a power advantage not a skill one. Grinde lacked the skill but the wand gave his skill a power advantage but it wasn't enough to defeat Albus whose skill was greater.

Nah.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't prove that assumption. 😂

No, it isn't as it isn't exactly the same. If it were then you'd have a point.

No, I said the elder wand gives you a power advantage not a skill one. Grinde lacked the skill but the wand gave his skill a power advantage but it wasn't enough to defeat Albus whose skill was greater.

Nah.

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Facial expression, and that if we use your stance then, Voldemort should have stayed and continued the fight, if he was supposedly more skilled, and he wasn't there to posses Harry, and he had more time to continue the fight, yet he just stopped. That there shows Voldemort isn't the superior here.

It's just the books in cinematic form.

Skill power at the end of the day it all equates to the same thing. By having a power advantage that would have tilted the scales, since the scale was so fragile. Dumbledore himsoef says I was only a shade more skillful, if any. The elder wand should have tipped the scales to Grindlewald's favor in such a fragile balance.

Well you've brought nothing of value, no proof of anything, I have, and with that I must declare my victory again. I have crushed every argument you've made, 100x over. You've yet to answer correctly the single question why did Voldemort flee his battle with Dumbledore, you've yet to answer hoe you know for a fact the shield breaking feat is the greatest in the universe, you've failed to answer how Voldemort "LOOKED" superior in his battle with LOOK meaning your own perception which automatically destroys your argument due to it not having any facts.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Facial expression, and that if we use your stance then, Voldemort should have stayed and continued the fight, if he was supposedly more skilled, and he wasn't there to posses Harry, and he had more time to continue the fight, yet he just stopped. That there shows Voldemort isn't the superior here.

It's just the books in cinematic form.

Skill power at the end of the day it all equates to the same thing. By having a power advantage that would have tilted the scales, since the scale was so fragile. Dumbledore himsoef says I was only a shade more skillful, if any. The elder wand should have tipped the scales to Grindlewald's favor in such a fragile balance.

Well you've brought nothing of value, no proof of anything, I have, and with that I must declare my victory again. I have crushed every argument you've made, 100x over. You've yet to answer correctly the single question why did Voldemort flee his battle with Dumbledore, you've yet to answer hoe you know for a fact the shield breaking feat is the greatest in the universe, you've failed to answer how Voldemort "LOOKED" superior in his battle with LOOK meaning your own perception which automatically destroys your argument due to it not having any facts.

No, and it's against the rules. Quit breaking the rules, troll.

Not when Voldemort's skill is greater than Albus'. It was clear Albus needs the best want to barely survive against Voldemort. You have broken the rules not countered or even understood my argument. You're that slow kid licking the Windows thinking he won while everyone else is rolling their eyes and mocking you.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Sending fire back at someone is intended to kill. fFS. So he is in no danger when right next to Voldemort while Albus watches on but trapped in a water bubble Harry's life hangs in the balance. You're about as stupid as IPAs stupid does. He resisted a possession that isn't beating someone, Forrest.

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A counter attack that can kill doesn't mean it was intended to kill. It's so simple but you fail to grasp even basic concepts. Harry was in a position that Albus' sister was in while they were dueling hence the response. He was not in that position while he was making Tom look like a noob hence not the same response. Do I need to draw you a picture in crayon for you to follow along?

Originally posted by juggerman
A counter attack that can kill doesn't mean it was intended to kill. It's so simple but you fail to grasp even basic concepts. Harry was in a position that Albus' sister was in while they were dueling hence the response. He was not in that position while he was making Tom look like a noob hence not the same response. Do I need to draw you a picture in crayon for you to follow along?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So if I shoot and miss I didn't intend to kill ? Sending that fire to hit your entire being will kill you. So make your case. We see later in the clip he stood right over him while Albus watched. Whoops. You never make a shred of sense.

If I punch you with the intent of KOing you and I kill you, does that mean I intended to kill you? Nope dumdum.

We see Tommy shit talking after losing badly to a child. He trying to save face after that crushing defeat. Albus had no need to interfere with his posturing as it posed no threat and probably would account for many many laughs later on as the group retold the story of the day Tommy Boy lost yet again to a small boy but tried to act as if he won. Good times 👆

Albus is superior, and the creator of the entire universe agrees with me. Game over

Originally posted by quanchi112
He came there to come after Harry not Albus so with the limited time he knew he had due to Albus' threats of someone else coming he changed tactics. Albus wasn't skilled enough to stop him magically.

No, and it's against the rules. Quit breaking the rules, troll.

Not when Voldemort's skill is greater than Albus'. It was clear Albus needs the best want to barely survive against Voldemort. You have broken the rules not countered or even understood my argument. You're that slow kid licking the Windows thinking he won while everyone else is rolling their eyes and mocking you.

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Like you said in a previous post IIRC, Voldemort didn't know how much time he had, so he could have kept fighting for a longer period of time, yet didn't. So this little theory of yours is done.

Actaully yes I'm right. It says in the credits based off the novel written by JK Rowling, which means it's the books in cinematic form. I'm not breaking the rules.

Prove everything you just said. All of what you said that has no proof or anything, it's just your perception this your opinion which isn't fact. So actaully use facts to prove Voldemort has a skill advantage. In the next post show your proof.

Originally posted by juggerman
If I punch you with the intent of KOing you and I kill you, does that mean I intended to kill you? Nope dumdum.

We see Tommy shit talking after losing badly to a child. He trying to save face after that crushing defeat. Albus had no need to interfere with his posturing as it posed no threat and probably would account for many many laughs later on as the group retold the story of the day Tommy Boy lost yet again to a small boy but tried to act as if he won. Good times 👆

He is mocking him for being weak because he was. Your shitty reasoning falls apart and makes no sense he's panicked when Voldemort is stuck in a water bubble. 😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Albus is superior, and the creator of the entire universe agrees with me. Game over