Originally posted by quanchi112Once more: sans PIS/CIS, a multiversal power>a universal power. Total control/mastery over infinite universes>total control/mastery over a single universe.
So you think skill and what not plays no factor whatsoever and back up the more powerful guy always wins. That's your opinion but I vehemently disagree. I also don't pick and choose what counts and what doesn't. Slippery slope.
Not going to argue such a simple point with you any further, though. 🙂
The IG practically makes thanos omnipotent, omniescient and omnipresent
He can do what ever he wants freeze,slow,speed up time, alter the past present and future
Limitless strenght endurance etc
Gives him him almost unlimited psionic powers and backed up by the the power gem he could take control of all the minds in the universe.....etc thanos takes this
Originally posted by Galan007
Nothing would have stopped them from coming back. My point is: had Doom actually wanted to retain the IG, he would have at least tried to fend off his children... But he apparently didn't.👆
The IG is a universal power-- these days, that fact simply cannot be argued. A multiversal++ power, like Mxy, is going to beat a universal power every single time, and without much effort(sans PIS/CIS, obviously.) Why? Because their power literally operates on an infinitely greater scale/level. Being a universal God doesn't help you if your opponent can pack multiverse-busting energies into a handheld ACME bomb and detonate it in your face.
When I commented on the IG making one "an unbeatable God", I meant an unbeatable God relative to other universal powers.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually it's from Starlin's IG saga.
So please ask before assuming it's "probably a non-existent" anything.
(why the hell would I say it if it didn't exist) my name is my name. (be back)
Until then, I don't believe a word you have to say regarding this matter. 🙂
^^ You're under the false illusion that I care an iota what you believe. 🙂
Especially considering your tone right about then and now.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Does anyone know of a story, where the 616 IG (pre-Hickman or Nowadays)
was defeated without stipulations/circumstances involved?Meaning, with straight up power vs an adapted wielder. (unhindered by plot)
Well,
I only ask for one incident where the 616 IG has been legitimately overcome.
(excluding the representative Forces of the TOAA)
"legitimately" = no "plot" or "pis"
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ You're under the false illusion that I care an iota what you believe. 🙂
Especially considering your tone right about then and now.
I understand. Well, not really, because I have never been in the position you are in right now, but you still have my sympathies.
^^ You have proof Hickman did from the Marvel/DC cross-over?
That would be kinda silly imo, for him to do that.
That Cross-over had literally two pages dedicated to the IG solely. (Darkseid scene)
Before and After that it was just another toy of many big toys.
While the actual IG Arcs, plus its tie-ins,
are full of information concerning the IG.
I can't believe and Never will believe Hickman went to that Cross-over,
to learn about the IG. (unless you get the answer from him directly)
*** But anyway ... (this may not be verbatim per your request, but close enuff imo)
In a conversation between Thanos and his doppelganger during Infinity War,
the doppelganger suggests going to Another Universe to get
Another IG and therefore become "God" of that Universe.
Thanos tells em,
"unfortunately I have sentimental attachments to This (616) Reality"
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Interesting,
with an Alternate IG Thanos suggests he wouldn't control 616,
yet,
the with the 616 IG Thanos confidently states:
"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" (alternates with other IGs)
Originally posted by xJLxKingSo Mr. Master, who would you suggest is more "supreme" Thanos or LT?
I posted this some time ago and found it:
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The LT was above the IG cause he came as a direct representative of TOAA's power.
"I represent forces that dwarf even your might ... My authority comes from on high"
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Warlock made it clear that it was TOAA that was above the 616 IG:
"I was called to judgement by the LT, the servant of the one who is above even Gods"
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When the "Forces" you're bringing to the battle are TOAA's,
there's no arguing all are beneath you.
The amazing thing is, that even still,
the LT had to determine if he had the power to forcibly take the IG from Warlock,
and he did have the power, but he had to make sure first,
even though the LT knew he was backed by TOAA.
Simply incredible.
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What are some of the top battle feats of the AM please?
id say it's when he went up against spectre who was heavily amped at the time at the end of issue 10:
http://i.imgur.com/lkODoXC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cr0ZRIJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YHab8mx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8zUjGQV.jpg
still though, classic IG has better feats.
So nothing above the IG? I love how people are claiming the deciding factor is which has more universal or multiversal power.... That can be a way to determine a fight... but not always.. and cetainly not here. A PERFECT example is somethign with feats well beyond the AM... and the IG punked that as well.... The UN. The UN has done this on the multiversal level and couldn't do anything to the IG. This is because scope and scale. The scale of what the UN has done is beyond what the IG has. Yet the scope of what the IG can do is way more intricate than what the UN can do.
A simple analogy is... just because somebody has a tank compared to a rocket launcher... sure the tank is bigger and more powerful... doesn't mean the rocket launcher can't win. Further, the AM doesn't really have great battle feats... certainly not ones on the IG level. So then what is the basis for him winning... because eh's done multiversal things? Yes but in what way would that be significant to a battle? Just because somebody can cause a big explosion and destroy a universe.. doesn't mean when he's confronted in direct battle by another universal being that he'll be able win.
The only thing I would need to know about this battle is if this is the Classic IG.. I believe Thanos wins and does so convincingly. If it's current IG... well then... that becomes a different matter.
AM was already a multiversal power before he absorbed the anti-matter universe and battled Spectre. How can I be sure?
Because the original Monitor was linked to, and powered by, all positive matter throughout the infinite pre-crisis multiverse. That's why he became increasingly weaker with each positive matter universe AM destroyed:
Despite Monitor being a confirmed multiversal force, AM(at his absolute weakest levels) was still Monitor's exact equal:
"And so they began a war which lasted one million years. A war waged with equal power. A war in which there could be no victor."
That said, for each positive matter universe AM destroyed, his anti-matter universe expanded to fill the void. Basically, every time he destroyed a positive matter universe, he gained a universe-worth of anti-matter energy:
And when he absorbed the AMU, only 5 universes (out of an infinite amount) remained.
So when AM absorbed the anti-matter universe:
...He would have gained power equivalent to an infinite amount of universes(minus 5, lol) on top of the multiversal power he already wielded.
This means AM, at his peak, was a multi-multiversal power. A multiversal power², if you will. Just some food for thought.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiMyself and Mr M were just talking about this in another thread. It seems that Reed may have used the UN to nullify Abraxas alone, which subsequently fixed the damage he caused to reality.
The IG already resisted something that takes a dump on what the AM took millions of years to do and did it in an instant.
The UN's OHOTMU bio confirms this notion:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15944931/2.jpg.html
As does Abraxas' bio in F4: The Universal Guide-- a guide which gives Abraxas far more lipservice/wanking than any other source, mind you:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15944930/1.jpg.html
Furthermore, the above assertion coincides perfectly with the UN's history. Remember, the UN doesn't just erase a being from the here and now-- it erases their entire history-- it erases them from ever existing:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15944932/3.jpg.html
So if Abraxas alone were nullified, then it would be as though he never existed-- and if he never existed, then he could have never caused any damage to reality(ie. said damage would be undone as a result of Abraxas' nullification.)
^^That makes more sense then the Ultimate Nullifier contradictorily [re]creating the entire multiverse, imo. The UN's purpose is destruction, not creation. /shrug
^ Had the Abraxas storyline itself ever intimated that the Ultimate Nullifier could be used in such a manner, there would be at least some corroboration for this theory. Had the Ultimate Nullifier ever once erased the entire history of someone it nullified on-panel, there might be actual precedent for this theory. Had the complete history of Abraxas' actions been actually nullified, there might be a point to this theory.
Handbooks aren't evidence.
