Originally posted by Mr Master
Imo, it's too much of a coincidence so I'm leaning towards ODG's perspective,
which I'm assuming suggests Hickman made the context of that
story in a familiar light to the "God" creation scenario of the Bible.Evidently, Hickman views the IG as God-like power.
Hickman also told Galan that the IG makes you "All Powerful"
(withIN its respective universe)
So,
I can't wait to find the plot behind Doom losing to anything withIN said reality.
(I'm reading the relevant issues plus priors and soon followups)
Also, unless there's clear evidence Doom "mastered" the IG.
there's no true reason to believe he did. Especially if he found
limitations withIN a universe where he is supposed to be GOD!
(that ... or PIS)
You're only focusing on the "IG makes you GOD in its native universe" statement by Hickman, even while ignoring the blatant limitations that Hickman has demonstrated his IGs to have.
Hickman also told us on-panel(via adult Franklin) that kid Franklin was "God" in his created universe. Here's the scan where this statement is made:
That's not proof though that Franklin's actually omnipotent, or that he can't face constraints in his reality.
The IG is limited to a universal scale and scope within its native reality. It maybe described as being all-powerful in its universe, but that by no means implies it to be unbeatable, or that a multiversal scale omnipotent power-source can't exceed it.
On a sidenote, in one of Hickman's FF(future foundation) issues, an alternate UN erased an alternate IG. So there, IG vs UN is a tied 1-1 score. 😛
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think Doom's Science/Magic children 'beating' him has anything to do with them being more powerful than the IG. I believe Doom lost because he wanted to lose.As Doom himself said at the end of the issue: "I was a God, Valeria. I found it... Beneath me."
Doom sampled Godhood, and was left unimpressed. T'was a position unbefitting of his greatness.
Speculation. Doom probably lost because he was unimpressed by the IG and subconsciously "willed" the IG to make his children beat him(the idea of which comes from an arrogance-loaded statement from Doom himself). Or the IG acted on his innermost insecurities and manifested them in the form of deefat at the hands of his creations.
Whatever the case, the IG is very clearly shown to be limited to being universal in terms of both scale and scope of its power. Or do you think that beings with legit multiversal omnipotents like Lucifer or Mxy would fall before an IG in caid IG's universe?
On another sidenote, at this point I can confidently say that if we had a Voltron-merge of a billion Celestials, then said entity could one-shot the IG with the very same ease that a 4-Celestial Voltron one-shotted an amped Galactus.
I think that the "Celestials are aspects of a single multiversal entity" statement from Pak's X-Termination run might hint towards such an entity. I recall a poster called Magnon theorizing this very same thing regarding the Voltron-Celestial long before Pak started writing those X-books. Yet another sign(to me), that Marvel writers frequent comic book battleboards, and plagiarize ideas/theories of fans/posters on such battleboards.
