Originally posted by cdtm
Everything.He's replying to my point about it just being accepted that guys like Thing and Wonder Man can go toe to toe with guys like Hulk and Thor, and take punches without exploding, despite not having the strength feats to prove they can match them. Yet it's been argued Goku won't be able to survive a punch because he doesn't have the strength feats of Superman.
But the fact is, very few characters have strength feats anywhere near Supermans. We simply don't question that when a writer has someone like, I don't know, Knockout or Etrigan fight Superman, that it's not PIS.
It just seems like a double standard, to me.
I know Z fans kind of brought that on themselves over the years, to be fair, but an anti fanboy could be as bad as a fanboy, imo..
Guys like Thing and Wonder Man rarely take full strength hits from the Hulks and Thors of the world because usually, the stronger a hero is, the more focus they put on how much they hold back.
I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at though. I mean, when Superman fights say, Etrigan, you have to remember that someone like that brings something to the table that gives them an edge (ie magic). When Superman fights, say, Knockout or Rampage or even say, Aquaman, the thing to remember is that you don't have to be stronger than or AS strong as Superman to knock him down. He still only weighs about 200 pounds, and if he isn't bracing he's going to be subject to the same laws of physics as anything else that gets punched by someone that can hit with the weight of 100 tons.
I get that comics are inconsistent in that regard, but someone like Thing can knock down someone like Superman if he gets the drop on him. He just has no real hope of actually keeping him down unless Superman makes no attempt to fight back.
Dunno about Goku, so can't comment.
Originally posted by carver9
I know one thing. Frieza withstood a planet's destruction point blank but he would die in one punch from a serious Super Saiyan Goku. Super Saiyan 2, he would explode from a hit.Terrible to use strength fts against characters that doesn't go around lifting things. The main purpose of DBZ is combat, not saving the day via getting cats out of trees.
lol, u so mad.
