Originally posted by Robtard
Funny how you don't use that same "survives due to chump villains" measuring stick for your favorite characters. You couldn't possibly be biased, could you?
K, then. The burden of proof is on you. Show me the instance in 24 when a villain would have indisputably won if not for outright stupidity
Originally posted by Lestov16
K, then. The burden of proof is on you. Show me the instance in 24 when a villain would have indisputably won if not for outright stupidity
One of the many numerous times Bauer was captured (strapped to a chair) and said villain could have put a bullet in his head which would have rendered Bauer's future involvement in them failing null and void.
Checkmate.
It was in a movie Lesty has not yet filmed..
The 'White House' was probably this docker called Dave. And Jack saved him from the scenario of "being forced to take it into his own hands", whilst stopping to repair a xerox machine.
The soundtrack is sure to have plenty of this on it...
😖hifty:
Nothing else seems to fit the statement, due to a 24 movie never having existed.
Originally posted by Robtard
One of the many numerous times Bauer was captured (strapped to a chair) and said villain could have put a bullet in his head which would have rendered Bauer's future involvement in them failing null and void.
LOL. Specific examples please.
And WTF are you talking about?
In season 2, they needed pertinent info that only he had.
In Season 4, they had to trade him for Behrooz
In Season 5, they needed him to give up the CTU team's position
They always give a plausible reason as to why Jack is kept alive if captured
In Die Hard 3, Simon left McClane alive for no reason.
In Die Hard 4, Gabriel decided to play grabass with McClane for no reason
There no plausible reason they left him alive other than pure stupidity.
Checkmate. You lose.
Originally posted by Lestov16
LOL. Specific examples please.And WTF are you talking about?
In season 2, they needed pertinent info that only he had.
In Season 4, they had to trade him for Behrooz
In Season 5, they needed him to give up the CTU team's position
They always give a plausible reason as to why Jack is kept alive if capturedIn Die Hard 3, Simon left McClane alive for no reason.
plausible reason they left him alive other than pure stupidity.
In Die Hard 4, Gabriel decided to play grabass with McClane for no reason
There [b]noCheckmate. You lose. [/B]
Off the top of my head? When he was tied to a chair(again) and Nina (who we know knew better) didn't just put a bullet in his head, but instead decided to kiss him in some clowny attempt to lie detect via lip-powers and he then headbutted her and broke free.
If I was so inclined to go back and rewatch, there were more and I'm pretty sure they were brought up in your McClane vs Bauer thread at one point or another. This was shortly before the six teams of CTU Spec OPS arrived to save the day.
You can't checkmate when you've already lost your king, kiddo.
Originally posted by Lestov16
1 incident for Bauer, 3 for McClane . You still lose.I haven't just killed your king, I've conquered your kingdom. Now bow to me.
This wasn't a "who has more" dick measuring contest. I questioned why you don't use your own made up rules to judge evenly, you asked for proof of your bias; I showed it.
Stop trying to be like Quanchi. You were wrong, as proven and defeated. Just accept it and move on gracefully, Bobby.
Um, no. We've proven that McClane is poor in H2H and CQB. We've proven that McClane doesn't stop his villains as much as they stop themselves. He is not the invincible divine-powered action god you claim, he's just a guy who happens to simultaneously be in the wrong place at the wrong time and at the same time at the right place at the right time. Bauer clearly out performs him in H2H and CQB. I'm willing to admit, McClane's quickdraw accuracy may best Bauer, but the fact that you won't admit that Bauer takes McClane in H2H and CQB, when he definitely does, just shows your bias.
Does Bauer beat McClane in H2H and melee? That's the main question here. From an objective standpoint, looking at the feats, he clearly does.
Fine, I was wrong, again, my memory isn't top notch. I have't seen 24 in about 7 months, and okay, as I said, you named an incident, when I said there were zero, so yeah, egg on my face there.
But like I said, that was one incident. Jack rarely encounters situations like those. I can name you multiple times in the DH films (except for DH2, as I haven't seen that one in a moment) when the villains would have outright succeeded but didn't not because of a plausible reason, but pure stupidity and hubris.
The main point where this argument spawned from (which is being horribly derailed) is how skilled is McClane in H2H and CQB compared to Bauer. I proved he would lose. Do you believe differently and if so, why?
We already have a thread about that.
Kudos for manning up.
No, there's more. Another that comes to mind: The female assassin disguised as an FBI agent who successfully tricked Bauer, she could have put a bullet in his head several times before they finally confronted each other, but she waited like a dunce.
The thread was derailed when you brought Bauer in. He's not in it.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthYour whole logic is moronic. It's like saying Superman beats Galactus because he usually prevails as he's the good guy. It's horrible logic. This isn't a Die Hard movie and nor is a versus thread fall into a Superman comic. You guys are way behind the times.
Nope its not. Its not even the same as Bauer's constant reliance on Tony.
And McClane kicked ass in 5 movies.
With only the lord's help, you only get one.It seems to have left McClane with powers to have crazy shit happen around him that is in his fvour but seems to enable him to kill all else.
Im just going by screenfeats. Not pre-decided hate campaigns.
Do love that you're both still crying though.
Who says its not a DH movie?
And who says that'd make a blind bit of difference anyway..?
(Unless you mean to gimp McClane further by denying attributes via "its not his movie" which is horrible, embarrassing fail logic at best, of course anyway)
No I never made the Superman Galactus comparison.
(Although yeah McClane kinda is Galactus like in his bankable feats screentime record....)
Originally posted by RobtardSkill wise? The guy with the special forces training. Bauer.
So you finally admit that Bauer takes McClane in H2H and CQB, and I admit that McClane takes Bauer in gunfights. There, see, all is resolved, and we didn't need hundreds upon hundreds of pages to reach this conclusion.
Yet still you provided them. 🙄
Bauer never fought anyone with McClane's attributes.
Meanwhile every special forces guy who faced McClane died.
So jury is still out on that one for me and a lot of others, I suspect.
Person wants to fight McClane...does...dies... theres a definite pattern to be observed: What faces McClane is destroyed/killed just because Jack likes to suck neck, doesnt mean McClane would let him.
The encounter could end with Jack KO'd outfought in some dirty manner and Jack tied to a chair again.