Fine you were right and I was wrong about that particular matter, as McClane was never knocked out and Lihn never had a gun on him.
But the main argument here is about McClane's combat prowess, and if not due to purely Lihn's stupidity in turning around, McClane would have definitely lost that match, if not died. McClane is an inexperienced fighter, again this is indisputable.
McClane's experience is 5 movies deep now, and from the way he fought in DH1, he clearly had had a fair bit of experience prior to that. So youre definitely talking out of your posterior again calling him "inexperienced".
'Rough round the edges?' Sure.
'Lacking finesse?' Maybe so.
'A sometimes haver of dramatically satisfying too-and-fro rumbles' Yup
But inexperienced? Definitely not.
I guess in your book, Rocky couldn't fight either and in fact lost/died in every fight we saw him have (despite any and all winning he did), 'cause he spent half his fights getting punched before he beat his adversaries..? 🙄
McClane = Alive
His enemies= Beaten/dead
That sounds like a 'McClane beat them' situation to me...
Originally posted by Lestov16
Fine you were right and I was wrong about that particular matter, as McClane was never knocked out and Lihn never had a gun on him.But the main argument here is about McClane's combat prowess, and if not due to purely Lihn's stupidity in turning around, McClane would have definitely lost that match, if not died. McClane is an inexperienced fighter, again this is indisputable.
Thank you for admitting you were not correct. Kudos.
Pure conjecture. Could she have managed to kill him if she attacked him while he was done for a moment? Yes. But I find I hard to imagine she could kill him unarmed. Could she have attacked him and the turns it around? Yes. He's heavier and stronger.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthIf you cannot back your claims you concede. Just do it already. Don't you have any pride ?
Yeah Lesty has nothing left in this thread but bitterness and plenty of of hard feelings.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthThis isn't a Die Hard movie. Live in reality for once in your measly life.
Not once was that substantiated on screen: Fact
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthHis enemies= Beaten/dead
In pure H2H? I don't think so. You're talking about situations which have nothing to do with the topic at hand whatsoever. Stop trolling.
Originally posted by RobtardPure conjecture. Could she have managed to kill him if she attacked him while he was done for a moment? Yes. But I find I hard to imagine she could kill him unarmed. Could she have attacked him and the turns it around? Yes. He's heavier and stronger.
While I'm willing to admit she may have not beat him to death, she still undoubtedly would have beat him. The only time he was winning that fight was when he had a massive sneak attack advantage on her (and this advantage was from only her stupidity) and was attacking her basically from behind. Every time they were face to face, she dominated him and he got in little/no hits whatsoever. She even disarms him in melee. Him being heavier and stronger obviously doesn't factor in when she is faster and more agile and has the strength to put him to the ground.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthWe also look at the context behind the feats and realize that is was in a die hard movie where the villain can't win you goon. Eli is vastly more skilled than a guy who is regularly bullied from film to film.
Pride definitely safe. McClane wins.Screen featery counts. Ergo /\
McClane's not full of win though. It's just that his villains are full of epicfail. Simon would have gotten away scott free if not for his own stupidity. McClane would have lost and it's even said so. Gabriel would have gotten away scott free also, if he didn't decide to play grabass with McClane for no reason. again, McClane would have assuredly lost there if not solely for Simon's own stupidity. McClane has no win within him, it's just that his villain's stupidity forfeit the match for them, so McClane gets an auto-win. He's never actually earned his win. Based off Simon and Gabriel, he's full of loss
Originally posted by Lestov16
McClane's not full of win though. It's just that his villains are full of [b]epicfail. Simon would have gotten away scott free if not for his own stupidity. McClane would have lost and it's even said so. Gabriel would have gotten away scott free also, if he didn't decide to play grabass with McClane for no reason. again, McClane would have assuredly lost there if not solely for Simon's own stupidity. McClane has no win within him, it's just that his villain's stupidity forfeit the match for them, so McClane gets an auto-win. He's never actually earned his win. Based off Simon and Gabriel, he's full of loss [/B]
Truth
Originally posted by Lestov16The reason he makes up stuff like a supreme being protecting him is him basically admitting McClane loses. Another reason is him making a thread to follow this because he thinks it's spite but the fanboy in him will argue anyway. Robtard won't even show his face in here anymore. He is ashamed.
Nope. Just admit you lost here, boyo. You'll be saving yourself from more embarrassment.
Nope its not. Its not even the same as Bauer's constant reliance on Tony.
And McClane kicked ass in 5 movies.
With only the lord's help, you only get one.
It seems to have left McClane with powers to have crazy shit happen around him that is in his fvour but seems to enable him to kill all else.
Im just going by screenfeats. Not pre-decided hate campaigns.
Do love that you're both still crying though.
Originally posted by Robtard
Funny how you don't use that same "survives due to chump villains" measuring stick for your favorite characters. You couldn't possibly be biased, could you?
"Die hard", in the White House.