X-Men: Days of Future Past

Originally posted by ares834
What does TP have to do with TK? What does turning into diamond have to do with TP? What does enhanced sense of smell have to do with bone claws? What does teleporting have to do with looking like a demon? etc...

This isn't the first time where a mutant has a power that has little to with another.

Telepathy and Telekinesis are both mental powers and have long gone hand in hand since superheroes were developed.

In the comics Emma's diamond form is a secondary mutation that is theorized to have to do with her self image. It never made sense, as most secondary mutations don't.

Wolverine is a feral mutant, as in animal like. Animals have enhanced senses and claws.

Nightcrawler's father in canon is the guy people think of when they think of Satan, as he's a demonic mutant from a different dimensional plane. That's why Nightcrawler looks like a demon and can teleport.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm still unsure what you were suggesting in the first place. However, if you were wondering why he was unable to stop the future Sentinels him being dead is very relevant. If it was the past sentinels, then Trask could simply be the better scientist.

This is actually really simple:

1. Beast is aware of the source of the sentinel's powers. Why do we know this? Because everyone in the future was aware of it.

2. Beast knows her DNA very well. He has samples of it and he has used it for 10+ years as of 1973. Even longer by the time of X-3 and beyond.

3. Whether he's "dead" is not the point. He died because of the Sentinels, presumably. It wasn't explicitly noted that he died before they came online and he survived X3 just fine. So what happened? The reasonable thing to conclude is he died in the purge.

4. Which brings us back to point 1: Beast is a fuggin' genius and he had the sekrit to the Sentinel's immunity and has demonstrated mastery over its manipulation well before.

It begs the question why the only contingency plan is "send people in the past".

Originally posted by KingD19
Telepathy and Telekinesis are both mental powers and have long gone hand in hand since superheroes were developed.

In the comics Emma's diamond form is a secondary mutation that is theorized to have to do with her self image. It never made sense, as most secondary mutations don't.

Wolverine is a feral mutant, as in animal like. Animals have enhanced senses and claws.

Nightcrawler's father in canon is the guy people think of when they think of Satan, as he's a demonic mutant from a different dimensional plane. That's why Nightcrawler looks like a demon and can teleport.

1. So? The two powers still have nothing to do with one another.

2. Fair enough.

3. They don't have bone claws popping out of their knuckles though...

4. In the comics, sure. But this is never mentioned in the films.

Ultimately, secondary mutation are in the movies. Kitty's time traveling powers are simply that. Frankly, I don't consider them a plot hole as we don't get an explanation for the vast majority of mutations other than the X-gene. Don't really see this as any different.

Originally posted by KingD19
These gentlemen are called plot holes. We must learn to accept them for what they are.

And I don't know if this has been mentioned before but F*uuuuuuck man,

Spoiler:
The way the Sentinels went about killing the mutants was beyond brutal.

Right On.

Originally posted by ares834
Wat? Her X-gene didn't develop, she developed and learned how to use her powers.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
How does a developed X gene go from phasing to time traveling consciouness powers. Also how is it that only Kitty's X gene was developed out of all the mutants present in the future.

It's called Star Power 😛

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
This is actually really simple:

1. Beast is aware of the source of the sentinel's powers. Why do we know this? Because everyone in the future was aware of it.

2. Beast knows her DNA very well. He has samples of it and he has used it for 10+ years as of 1973. Even longer by the time of X-3 and beyond.

3. Whether he's "dead" is not the point. He died because of the Sentinels, presumably. It wasn't explicitly noted that he died before they came online and he survived X3 just fine. So what happened? The reasonable thing to conclude is he died in the purge.

4. Which brings us back to point 1: Beast is a fuggin' genius and he had the sekrit to the Sentinel's immunity and has demonstrated mastery over its manipulation well before.

It begs the question why the only contingency plan is "send people in the past".

1. We don't know this as we don't know when the mutants became aware of the source of the Sentinels powers.

2. That's assuming he is still using her DNA at that point. Either way, Trask Inudstries has been studying her DNA for a long time as well and presumably they have more than one person doing so.

3. Even if we assume he died in the initial purge, he could easily have died early on near the beginning before he had time to create anything.

4. Nah. The Sentinels are more advanced than anything Beast has shown to build.

You guys are being silly. What does Wolverine's enhanced senses have to do with his healing powers? Absolutely nothing. It's just 2 different powers he has. Same with Nightcrawlers Teleporting and Super Agility/Acrobatics. So I don't see why Kitty can't have a second power.

Now for my problem with the whole time travelling thing, which is an actual plot hole. And a big one:

How could Kitty possibly know she has this power and practice using it? Every time she sends someone back in time, history changes so she never sent that person back. In fact she can't send them back in the revised timeline otherwise they would be stuck in a time loop.

It would only make sense if Kitty remembered both timelines. But watching it a second time she makes it clear to Wolverine that only he will remember the original timeline. She wouldn't.

So that's a big flaw in their whole method of time travel. But apart from that, it's a great movie, and I like it even more after a second viewing. It's not just action and special effects. None of the characters are black and white and it's quite emotional. James McAvoy is really a great actor. As are Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence, but I think McAvoy really killed it with his performance.

The problem isn't with Kitty having a secondary power, the problem is that its completely unrelated to here primary ability and as you pointed out, should have no way of knowing how to use it effectively w/o remembering both timelines.

I do like how this movie cleans everything up as far as continuity goes in order to set up for

Spoiler:
Apocalypse

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The problem isn't with Kitty having a secondary power, the problem is that its completely unrelated to here primary ability and as you pointed out, should have no way of knowing how to use it effectively w/o remembering both timelines.

I do like how this movie cleans everything up as far as continuity goes in order to set up for

Spoiler:
Apocalypse

If after this film, I get a decent Apocalypse film, whether based in the present or future. I will lose my freakin mind!

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The problem isn't with Kitty having a secondary power, the problem is that its completely unrelated to here primary ability

Nor are Wolverine's or Nightcrawler's! Stop being petty!

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
and as you pointed out, should have no way of knowing how to use it effectively w/o remembering both timelines.

Hey hey don't pretend you thought of that all along. That's my plot hole which I just brought up.

Originally posted by the ninjak
If after this film, I get a decent Apocalypse film, whether based in the present or future. I will lose my freakin mind!

It will be based in the McAvoy/Fassbender period. And if that happens we will be left with one frigging Awesome Prequel/Reboot X-Men Trilogy!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nor are Wolverine's or Nightcrawler's! Stop being petty!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Hey hey don't pretend you thought of that all along. That's my plot hole which I just brought up.

It will be based in the McAvoy/Fassbender period. And if that happens we will be left with one frigging Awesome Preuel/Reboot X-Men Trilogy!

The Apocalypse film will be cool as long as Singer remembers not to jerk off Wolverine. He did well with this film.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka

Overall a decent film. I would still say that Matt Vaughn did the heavy lifting as far as the success of this movie is concerned but hey that's just me.

Your right here Imo.

I also give credit to Mathew Vaughn and Simon Kinberg.

This franchise has just got a whole lot better since Vaughn got involved, but I don't think he's involved with the next one.

This film was great, but I honestly think if Vaughn directed this he would have made it Epic!

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
This is actually really simple:

1. Beast is aware of the source of the sentinel's powers. Why do we know this? Because everyone in the future was aware of it.

2. Beast knows her DNA very well. He has samples of it and he has used it for 10+ years as of 1973. Even longer by the time of X-3 and beyond.

3. Whether he's "dead" is not the point. He died because of the Sentinels, presumably. It wasn't explicitly noted that he died before they came online and he survived X3 just fine. So what happened? The reasonable thing to conclude is he died in the purge.

4. Which brings us back to point 1: Beast is a fuggin' genius and he had the sekrit to the Sentinel's immunity and has demonstrated mastery over its manipulation well before.

It begs the question why the only contingency plan is "send people in the past".

You can't just assume beast was killed by the sentinels though. For all we know, beast died right after X3 and before the sentinels went operational. Nothing is explicitly mentioned

Beast was beaten to death in his home going with the promotional timeline.

BTW, I hope Marvel never gets the rights of Xmen back.
This movie was WAY too brutal, the opening was just WW2 holocaust documental material, i dont see kiddy Disneyrvel pulling off that scene

Really enjoyed this. The visuals of the future setting were great. The story was solid and stood on its own without the necessity of a direct sequel (even though it will have one, it didn't need one to explain any major aspects of the plot). Acting was superb for the most part, especially James Macavoy.

The Quicksilver scene was magnificent and he wasn't used enough.

Only character problem is Stryker was awful. Glad they got rid of all the crap characters like Angel, Emma Frost etc from First Class. The films suffer if they try and pack in too many mutants with shit abilities like they did in X3.

Excellent film.

Solid 9 out of 10.

This was the best X-men movie, yet.

Very good story, acting, VFX, and character development.

Quicksilver was the best...I mean, he almost stole the movie. I could watch a whole movie with him in it. An origin story...pleez?

Anyway, best movie of the year, so far.

The ****ing stadium scene? Holy shit...

Originally posted by TH3_V01D
Beast was beaten to death in his home going with the promotional timeline.

BTW, I hope Marvel never gets the rights of Xmen back.
This movie was WAY too brutal, the opening was just WW2 holocaust documental material, i dont see kiddy Disneyrvel pulling off that scene

Yeah I think X-Men is a very diverse and crowded universe as it is. There's no need to add Avengers to the same verse which is what Marvel would do.

Important thing is Fox is finally doing X-Men well.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Quicksilver was the best...I mean, he almost stole the movie. I could watch a whole movie with him in it. An origin story...pleez?

Well just think... We get him in Avengers 2 next year and then back in X-Men Apocalypse the year after. That'll be 3 consecutive years of Quicksilver in 3 Awesome films!

This was a great movie. Magnito was a dick in this movie and was very powerful. I loved it