Originally posted by ares834
You're argument is contradictory. You are claiming that quality is subjective yet you are also claiming that the public assesses the quality of a film. Sure, the number of people who enjoy a film can be measured but that is not related to the quality of the film which is a subjective assessment by the viewer.
Quality is judged by interpretation. The thing is, majority of people's brains interpret similarly - thus the quality threshold.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Quality is judged by interpretation. The thing is, majority of people's brains interpret similarly - thus the quality threshold.
Nope. If there is an objective quality threshold than that would signify that quality could be objectively measured (in this case you are arguing it is measured by the majority's opinion). It can't and thus there is no quality threshold.
Originally posted by ares834
Nope. If there is an objective quality threshold than that would signify that quality could be objectively measured (in this case you are arguing it is measured by the majority's opinion). It can't and thus there is no quality threshold.
No quality threshold?
I'm pretty sure the consensus would universally agree that cheesy porn movies are considerably less in quality compared to Stanley Kubrick movies. There is definitely a threshold, and that threshold proves a correlation between popularity and quality.
I'm not saying as fact that there's a relationship between popularity and quality, I'm just saying there's a correlation.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Cool, so I can carry on now about how brilliant McAvoy was in this movie without the "That's subjective" crap. Unless anyone actually thinks he wasn't superb?I know Tempest thinks Patrick Stewart performance is still better.
McAvoy is the perfect young Xavier. I would agree with tempest though, Patrick Stewart is still GOAT Magneto
Originally posted by Firefly218
No quality threshold?I'm pretty sure the consensus would universally agree that cheesy porn movies are considerably less in quality compared to Stanley Kubrick movies. There is definitely a threshold, and that threshold proves a correlation between popularity and quality.
I'm not saying as fact that there's a relationship between popularity and quality, I'm just saying there's a correlation.
Uh, no. What the consensus think is pretty much irrelevant to the quality of film as the quality of a film is almost entirely an individual's (IE subjective) assessment of the film. Ultimately, just because 99% of the audience around the world hates a film does not mean that the film is objectively bad.
Originally posted by Firefly218
No quality threshold?I'm pretty sure the consensus would universally agree that cheesy porn movies are considerably less in quality compared to Stanley Kubrick movies. There is definitely a threshold, and that threshold proves a correlation between popularity and quality.
I'm not saying as fact that there's a relationship between popularity and quality, I'm just saying there's a correlation.
Well your general audience maybe have lower standards when it comes to things like intelligent plots and quality acting.
Transformers movies for instance are extremely popular but don't have the best acting or plot's involved (IMO!!!!!)
Critics would be people who claim to have higher standards for movies than your general audience.
Originally posted by ares834
Uh, no. What the consensus think is pretty much irrelevant to the quality of film as the quality of a film is almost entirely an individual's (IE subjective) assessment of the film. Ultimately, just because 99% of the audience around the world hates a film does not mean that the film is objectively bad.
True, but when I say quality threshold I am referring to the cultural standard for quality held by majority of people.
Generally, the popularity of a movie is based on its consensus reception. If the consensus considers a movie good quality, the popularity will rise. That does not necessarily mean the movie is good quality though, as quality is subjective. But the consensus judgements of quality is very relevant to the popularity of a movie. You can't deny that
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well your general audience maybe have lower standards when it comes to things like intelligent plots and quality acting.Transformers movies for instance are extremely popular but don't have the best acting or plot's involved (IMO!!!!!)
Critics would be people who claim to have higher standards for movies than your general audience.
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And there are definitely exceptions (transformers). I'm not saying there's a definite relationship between quality and popularity, but there is a correlation
Originally posted by DARTH POWERThey are awards decided by certain peoples subjective opinions. It's like you have no real grasp for reality. Seek help. ASAP.
No your just a fanboy and make your claims according to your fanboy wishes. Box office is an objective fact like you want to point out. But awards won and nominated are also Objective facts. Your Own "Lets just look at Objective Facts to decide which movie is better at everything" argument has you beat here.
Movie was overall decent, but marred with scenes possessing cringe worthy writing and characterization.
I felt that the pathos for both Magneto and Mystique in particular were handled pretty poorly throughout the film, with Lawrence and Fassbender's excellent acting (moreso in Fassbender's case) doing their absolute best to compensate. Really, if I could sum up the film in a sentence, I'd say that it benefited from an excellent cast all around that truly carried the film in spite of a poor, muddled script holding them back. There is a really, really good ****ing movie buried in there somewhere.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
They are awards decided by certain peoples subjective opinions. It's like you have no real grasp for reality. Seek help. ASAP.
Box office is also determined by people's SUBJECTIVE Opinions on what's the best thing to go watch at the theatres.
I'm owning your dumb ass so bad it's is not even funny.
But Keep up the Trolling Fanboy.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Movie was overall decent, but marred with scenes possessing cringe worthy writing and characterization.I felt that the pathos for both Magneto and Mystique in particular were handled pretty poorly throughout the film, with Lawrence and Fassbender's excellent acting (moreso in Fassbender's case) doing their absolute best to compensate. Really, if I could sum up the film in a sentence, I'd say that it benefited from an excellent cast all around that truly carried the film in spite of a poor, muddled script holding them back. There is a really, really good ****ing movie buried in there somewhere.
7/10
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Box office is subjective to marketing & not necessarily because the film is good.
The fact that you've paid for the ticket before you can even form an opinion on whether the movie is good or bad means profit is already made regardless.
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DVD Sales would probably be the better indication of whether those people enjoyed the movie or not. Presumably you won't buy a movie you hated when you saw it at the theatre.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERThey don't have an opinion due to not seeing it yet. You're also forgetting people see it again or spread the word its good.
Box office is also determined by people's SUBJECTIVE Opinions on what's the best thing to go watch at the theatres.I'm owning your dumb ass so bad it's is not even funny.
But Keep up the Trolling Fanboy.
You're upset and rambling. Someone else put up the list of actors for Disney's vs fix and Disney has better actors in my opinion hands down anyways.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
They don't have an opinion due to not seeing it yet. You're also forgetting people see it again or spread the word its good.
They obviously have a preference which is why they chose to see that instead of something else. And obviously if they recommend it to someone it down to their SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS DUUUUHHHHH!
So everything comes down to SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS Dumbass.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're upset and rambling. Someone else put up the list of actors for Disney's vs fix and Disney has better actors in my opinion hands down anyways.😂
Good thing I was never comparing actors involved in the WHOLE OF THE MCU vs X-Men. Just Avengers vs DOFP. And the DOFP wins that hands down. They have the Oscars to prove it which is OBJECTIVE.
And let's not pretend like you actually have a well thought out opinion. Your just a fanboy hiding behind box office success through all your arguments. Guess you forgot about box office success everytime you made it "factually clear" that MOS sucked and that Thor's the superior franchise to Superman 😂