Eh, I would agree that DOFP used more theatrically acclaimed actors (Stewart, McAvoy, Fassbender and McKellan have all played Hamlet, etc), and in general those four top anyone that was in Avengers, but it didn't hurt that the script was written with more character moments than Avengers was.
I'd argue that RDJ is the equal of anyone in that cast though. He's arguably one of the best actors of this generation.
Originally posted by -Pr-I'd argue that RDJ is the equal of anyone in that cast though. He's arguably one of the best actors of this generation.
That's fair, and I wouldn't argue against anyone claiming that.
But whilst RDJ stood out in Avengers, DOFP just has a few of them of that caliber Imho. And like you and Firefly pointed out, the script/story did give them all that real opportunity to shine.
I hope Vaughn is still involved with X-Men Apocalypse. I'd be really happy if he wound up directing it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYou later recanted this ridiculous power, trollish statement.
Is pretty much universally agreed up on that the X-Men cast are far better actors than the Avengers cast. Plus they have the Oscars and nominations to back that up which is OBJECTIVE. Stop crying about it.
An opinion is by definition subjective. You need to learn the difference. Avengers is more successful than the Xmen though they are all marvel characters anyway.
Look up the definitions to objectivity and subjectivity immediately.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Eh, I would agree that DOFP used more theatrically acclaimed actors (Stewart, McAvoy, Fassbender and McKellan have all played Hamlet, etc), and in general those four top anyone that was in Avengers, but it didn't hurt that the script was written with more character moments than Avengers was.I'd argue that RDJ is the equal of anyone in that cast though. He's arguably one of the best actors of this generation.
Pretty much.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You later recanted this ridiculous power, trollish statement.An opinion is by definition subjective. You need to learn the difference. Avengers is more successful than the Xmen though they are all marvel characters anyway.
Look up the definitions to objectivity and subjectivity immediately.
Hey I used your own logic against you and provided OBJECTIVE proof that the actors in X-Men simply have the best and most awards for acting.
Keep crying.
Edit- Also me retconning that statement is only for now because DOFP hasn't been out long enough.
But rest assured you will be hard pressed to find people who agree with you. Fact is though, You know the acting in DOFP is better 😂 Quit crying about it 😂
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIt is still an award based off subjective opinions.
Hey I used your own logic against you and provided OBJECTIVE proof that the actors in X-Men simply have the best and most awards for acting.Keep crying.
Edit- Also me retconning that statement is only for now because DOFP hasn't been out long enough.
But rest assured you will be hard pressed to find people who agree with you. Fact is though, You know the acting in DOFP is better 😂 Quit crying about it 😂
I don't care about the majority's opinion like you do. I formulae my own opinion based off sound judgment and facts. You need to learn the same, conceder.
Quality actors in both:
Ian McKellen
Patrick Stewart
Michael Fassbender
Kelsey Grammer
Jennider Lawrence
James McAvoy
Hugh Jackman
Peter Dinklage
Evan Peters
Ellen Page
Ana Paquin
Liev Schreiber
Ben Foster
vs.
RDJ
ScarJo
Chris Evans
Mark Ruffalo
Sam Jackson
Hemsworth
Hiddleston
Jeremy Renner
Stellan Skarsgard
Ed Norton
William Hurt
Tim Roth
Dominic Cooper
Hugo Weaving
Stanley Tucci
Toby Jones
Don Cheadle
Gweneth Paltrow
Guy Pearce
Ben Kinglsey
Sam Rockwell
Mickey Rourke
Robert Redford
Anthony Mackie
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is still an award based off subjective opinions.I don't care about the majority's opinion like you do. I formulae my own opinion based off sound judgment and facts. You need to learn the same, conceder.
No your just a fanboy and make your claims according to your fanboy wishes. Box office is an objective fact like you want to point out. But awards won and nominated are also Objective facts. Your Own "Lets just look at Objective Facts to decide which movie is better at everything" argument has you beat here.
Neither box office revenue or award tabulations are a reflection of artistic superiority. Box office revenue measures commercial success; movie X outperforming movie Y merely indicates that X is more popular, not better. Comparing award receipt measures which actor/actress is more acclaimed by members of the industry, not whether or not they're "better" than others.
I'mma slap both of you. Artistic quality is subjective; neither box office performance nor awards measure it. Period.
Originally posted by The_TempestNeither box office revenue or award tabulations are a reflection of artistic superiority. Box office revenue measures commercial success; movie X outperforming movie Y merely indicates that X is more popular, not better. Comparing award receipt measures which actor/actress is more acclaimed by members of the industry, not whether or not they're "better" than others.
I'mma slap both of you. Artistic quality is subjective; neither box office performance nor awards measure it. Period.
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Yah, but there generally is a positive correlation between popularity and quality.
Originally posted by Firefly218
👆Yah, but there generally is a positive correlation between popularity and quality.
No. A correlation can only be said to exist between two variables that can be objectively measured: e.g., crime & race, education & sex, etc.
Artistic quality cannot be measured because it is by its very nature subjective.
Originally posted by Firefly218
?So people don't generally go see movies because they're good?
No, they go because they think they are good. That's not a correlation between quality (which you just claimed was subjective) and popularity but rather of popularity and what the masses find to be good.
Edit: Yeah, what Tempest said.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
No. A correlation can only be said to exist between two variables that can be objectively measured: e.g., crime & race, education & sex, etc.Artistic quality cannot be measured because it is by its very nature subjective.
Popularity can be measured by box office.
Technically, quality cannot be objectively measured. However, there is a quality threshold under which the consensus will not continue to buy tickets. There is a set standard of quality established in our culture and discourse. And when a movie falls short of these standards, the box office tends to suffer.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Popularity can be measured by box office.Technically, quality cannot be objectively measured. However, there is a quality threshold under which the consensus will not continue to buy tickets. There is a set standard of quality established in our culture and discourse. And when a movie falls short of these standards, the box office tends to suffer.
I know popularity can be measured by box office performance; what can't be measured is artistic quality.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I know popularity can be measured by box office performance; what can't be measured is artistic quality.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Technically, quality cannot be objectively measured. However, there is a quality threshold under which the consensus will not continue to buy tickets. There is a set standard of quality established in our culture and discourse. And when a movie falls short of these standards, the box office tends to suffer.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Popularity can be measured by box office.Technically, quality cannot be objectively measured. However, there is a quality threshold under which the consensus will not continue to buy tickets. There is a set standard of quality established in our culture and discourse. And when a movie falls short of these standards, the box office tends to suffer.
You're argument is contradictory. You are claiming that quality is subjective yet you are also claiming that the public assesses the quality of a film. Sure, the number of people who enjoy a film can be measured but that is distinct from the quality of the film which is a subjective assessment by the viewer.