Alien: Covenant

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I think there's something about the alien from Alien(s) that is a little more believable and visceral than the Predators. It plays on our evolutionary fear of earthly animal predators (meaning lions, tigers, bears, oh my). It's more terrifying to me because the aliens just kill out of instinct because that is just what they do. Predators appear to be doing it for sport, which just isn't as scary. Hell, we hunt for sport. That being said, I like Predator 1 and the more recent Predators quite a lot... great sci-fi action/adventure films.

Just a quick reply... Point is yeah you can relate to an Alien killing out of animal instinct. But a Predator is more akin to a serial killer, killing for the sake of pleasure (& sadistic pride). Look at the recent back lash to trophy hunting, there is a distinctive element of repulse to people who do it, not an understanding or
acceptance that it's normal.

So I think our evolutionary fear would be towards a Predator for not quite understanding their motive to kill.

The aliens are definitely better and inducing fear. The Preds come out of no where because of their stealth camo, they kill so efficiently because of all their weaponry. The aliens are pure killing machines, and there's no besting them in combat and all the other aliens showing up, telling you good game, and leaving. The aliens are relentless, adaptive to pretty much any environment, move silently, and worst of all they generally don't kill you, they drag you off to get a face hugger make out session before you go out Delirium Trigger style.

Lastly, the Preds only kill armed and/or potentially dangerous combatants for the most part; aliens not so much, anyone is fair game.

It's the hive mind, pack mentality of the aliens that make them seem indefeatable. But there's also that ongoing sense of futility that once you're targeted by a Pred, it's only a matter of time & knowing you probably won't see you own death coming.

Yeah, but they'd need a reason to target you. You could be in a cast chilling in the med ward and aliens will still snatch you up as you try to roll away from your painful, eventual death. At least if a Pred were after you things would be quick.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Just a quick reply... Point is yeah you can relate to an Alien killing out of animal instinct. But a Predator is more akin to a serial killer, killing for the sake of pleasure (& sadistic pride). Look at the recent back lash to trophy hunting, there is a distinctive element of repulse to people who do it, not an understanding or
acceptance that it's normal.

So I think our evolutionary fear would be towards a Predator for not quite understanding their motive to kill.

Xenomorphs, on the other hand, are terrifying. Their design was ripped straight from the necronom with undeniable Lovecraftian origins. All the mystery surrounding their species has added a ton too. The only other horror movie creatures I've ever seen that are scarier than them are the Cenobites and maybe the Creeper.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Just a quick reply... Point is yeah you can relate to an Alien killing out of animal instinct. But a Predator is more akin to a serial killer, killing for the sake of pleasure (& sadistic pride). Look at the recent back lash to trophy hunting, there is a distinctive element of repulse to people who do it, not an understanding or
acceptance that it's normal.

So I think our evolutionary fear would be towards a Predator for not quite understanding their motive to kill.

There's nothing scary about that; their motive isn't even a difficult one to understand.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
They tried it with xenomorphs, which went very south for them.

Predators have always been greater than xenomorphs. It isn't even close.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But there's also that ongoing sense of futility that once you're targeted by a Pred, it's only a matter of time & knowing you probably won't see you own death coming.

Unless theres some mud handy

Originally posted by quanchi112
Predators have always been greater than xenomorphs. It isn't even close.

Only because of the Predators technology.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Only because of the Predators technology.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
and maybe the Creeper.

I really hate the Jeepers Creepers franchise. And the Creeper is unoriginal and generic IMO.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Only because of the Predators technology.

Wolf had 2 Xenos by the throat under his own strength.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I really hate the Jeepers Creepers franchise. And the Creeper is unoriginal and generic IMO.

Wolf had 2 Xenos by the throat under his own strength.

=15412299]Originally posted by Inhuman
And the Creeper is unoriginal and generic IMO.

New one for me

nothing else comes to my mind that's even remotely like the Creeper.

Oh, Jesus. I should have known that would spark a huge "Vs" debate. 🙄

But you know, the Prometheus ship has been destroyed so in that sense it wouldn't be right to call the next film Prometheus.

Originally posted by Kazenji
New one for me

nothing else comes to my mind that's even remotely like the Creeper.

Yeah . Unoriginal is maybe wrong in describing the creeper, but the movie shares a lot of horror movie tropes.
The movie was decent until the creeper revealed himself. IMO.
Started off pretty straight forward like other horror movies. Young adults driving down secluded county roads. Car breaks down or runs or of gas. Then they have to walk, and find creepy house. Pretty standard horror film so far. (Not really a bad thing).
Anyhow fast forward creepy antagonist that lives in creepy house full of creepy stuff is now after the protagonists. OK so far.
THEN it is revealed what the creeper really is. (Huge turn off for me.)
It turns out its a fuqung winged gargoyle. 😬 After that the movie falls apart. Is now like a tv episode of Tales from the crypt. (Plot wise and monster wise). Monster wants the guys eyes, so they play that song over and over, like if that's clever somehow. They run over the creeper and of coarse he isn't dead. He's gone once they turn back and look (like every horror movie does).
IMO or just turns too silly after the gargoyle/monster reveal.

Getting a bit more back on topic, some more tidbits shared from Ridley Scott. He explains that he's using Paradise Lost (the John Milton poem) as the basis for the story (so dear god, I hope that's not the actual title of the film). And he confirms that they will indeed reach the Engineer homeworld...

Yahoo!: And Prometheus 2 will be a continuation of the story?
Ridley: Of course. Have you ever read Paradise Lost, by Milton? In a funny kind of way, it’s an interesting basis for the darkness of [Prometheus 2]. Where the good-looking guy, who is evil as s–t, gets all the girls and goes to the nightclubs. The other guy, who is not quite as good-looking, is boring as hell and stays home. So in a funny kind of way, we used that as the basis for it, it’ll be Alien: Paradise Lost. Which is very spooky, because it continues after the last one, where Elizabeth Shaw [Noomi Rapace] says, “I wanna go where they came from.” And you’ve got Michael Fassbender in two parts, so she’ll slowly put him back together. They will go to the world of the Engineer.

Yahoo!: To the core of that planet.
Ridley: That’s where they’re going to go. They will find out who would design such an awful bio-mechanoid creature, like a massive piece of bacteria.

Source

Oh, and a few days ago Ridley mentioned that there would be some connection to Ellen Ripley in P2.

You're too hung up on the name of the film, imo, as I said several pages back, they're obviously going for the shared universe thing and we basically already knew that before Prometheus came out as the film was being sold as an "Alien's prequel".

As far as the notes, forgot that Shaw took David's body by hauling it with ropes, was remembering just the head in the bag.

On the Ripley aspect: Prometheus takes place in 2093, Alien takes place in 2122. So maybe some reference to baby Ripley? Seems odd though.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Yeah . Unoriginal is maybe wrong in describing the creeper, but the movie shares a lot of horror movie tropes.
The movie was decent until the creeper revealed himself. IMO.
Started off pretty straight forward like other horror movies. Young adults driving down secluded county roads. Car breaks down or runs or of gas. Then they have to walk, and find creepy house. Pretty standard horror film so far. (Not really a bad thing).
Anyhow fast forward creepy antagonist that lives in creepy house full of creepy stuff is now after the protagonists. OK so far.
THEN it is revealed what the creeper really is. (Huge turn off for me.)
It turns out its a fuqung winged gargoyle. 😬 After that the movie falls apart. Is now like a tv episode of Tales from the crypt. (Plot wise and monster wise). Monster wants the guys eyes, so they play that song over and over, like if that's clever somehow. They run over the creeper and of coarse he isn't dead. He's gone once they turn back and look (like every horror movie does).
IMO or just turns too silly after the gargoyle/monster reveal.

I will agree that he is scarier in his hat/coat/boots, but his design is still great, and definitely light years better than Jason or Predator. He's one of the best modern horror movie monsters around. You cant tell me you wouldn't shit bricks if you ran into this:

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I thought he was sufficiently creepy with his whole scarecrow shtick. The song that announced his coming gave you all kinds of "oh shit" vibes, he's an ancient immortal demon with no motive other than to feed and cause immeasurable and lasting pain to his victims, his lair is decked out with a sewn together tapestry of his victims from floor to ceiling (don't tell me you weren't feeling super uncomfortable while Daryl stumbled in and explored through with the threat of the creeper returning), and once he gets your scent you cant hide or escape which means it's only a matter of time before your added to the collection. This movie had a bunch of golden scenes. Even than ending was well done, and horror movies almost always screw up the ending.

I will agree that he is scarier in his hat/coat/boots, but his design is still great, and definitely light years better than Jason or Predator. He's one of the best modern horror movie monsters around. You cant tell me you wouldn't shit bricks if you ran into this:

I get what you're saying. Maybe its me.
Actually What The Creeper reminded me of was one of the Tales From The Darkside stories that came out years earlier called "A lovers Vow". Winged Gargoyle type creature and all.

Here is a clip:

YouTube video

I remember watching that. Also, I'd still hit it 👆