Originally posted by FrothByte👆
I didn't ban time travel, but if you want a better analogy of why time travel won't work then it's simply because:The fact that the Matrix is already existing in the current timeline means that any and all attempts to destroy it at it's origins failed. Any terminator sent back through time will fail in destroying the Matrix simply because the Matrix already exists in the future, which means that the Matrix is predestined to survive up till the current timeline.
That's the same reason why Skynet didn't fall even if Dyson was killed in T2. Judgement day and Skynet had to pass regardless of what was done in the past.
Same is true in this scenario.
Marwash and robtard are probably crying. Robbie is so damned hypocritical but I pointed it out a post above. Thanks for the assist.
Originally posted by RobtardWrong. The same rules applies to the Matrix as it did to judgment day. You don't comprehend what you even post at a theoretical level. Marwash rarely if ever posts in a versus matchup but I can now see why. Cry.
Predestined crap is obviously not in this thread. Stop being so stupid.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I didn't ban time travel, but if you want a better analogy of why time travel won't work then it's simply because:The fact that the Matrix is already existing in the current timeline means that any and all attempts to destroy it in the past has failed. Any terminator sent back through time will fail in destroying the Matrix simply because the Matrix already exists in the future, which means that the Matrix is predestined to survive up till the current timeline.
That's the same reason why Skynet didn't fall even if Dyson was killed in T2. Judgement day and Skynet had to pass regardless of what was done in the past.
Same is true in this scenario.
Originally posted by FrothBytelolwut. you're making shit up.
I didn't ban time travel, but if you want a better analogy of why time travel won't work then it's simply because:The fact that the Matrix is already existing in the current timeline means that any and all attempts to destroy it in the past has failed. Any terminator sent back through time will fail in destroying the Matrix simply because the Matrix already exists in the future, which means that the Matrix is predestined to survive up till the current timeline.
That's the same reason why Skynet didn't fall even if Dyson was killed in T2. Judgement day and Skynet had to pass regardless of what was done in the past.
Same is true in this scenario.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I didn't ban time travel, but if you want a better analogy of why time travel won't work then it's simply because:The fact that the Matrix is already existing in the current timeline means that any and all attempts to destroy it in the past has failed. Any terminator sent back through time will fail in destroying the Matrix simply because the Matrix already exists in the future, which means that the Matrix is predestined to survive up till the current timeline.
That's the same reason why Skynet didn't fall even if Dyson was killed in T2. Judgement day and Skynet had to pass regardless of what was done in the past.
Same is true in this scenario.
So you made a thread with the premise that The Matrix is predestined to win.
What's the point then? Of course The Matrix wins if you're saying that the OP meant it can't lose all along.
Originally posted by marwash22I already destroyed your time travel argument. Same reason it never worked on John Connor it won't work on the Matrix. Done.
You have me confused with someone who will go back and forth with you for 10 pages about stupid shit.talk to me when you have a legitimate argument to make.
Originally posted by RobtardYou really can't comprehend what it is he is saying. He isn't saying Matrix wins but that this tactic will fail for the same reasons it failed against John Connor. Hypocrites and fanboys ignore this.
So you made a thread with the premise that The Matrix is predestined to win.What's the point then? Of course The Matrix wins if you're saying that the OP meant it can't lose all along.
Originally posted by RobtardI have to explain to you what it is he is saying. You think wah you are saying the terminators lose when he explained the rationale behind why that tactic won't work. it's simple or so i thought but the fanboy sees past logic and reasoning only to the outcome. dark road.
Ssshh. Adults are talking, once it's settled, you can continue with your rage-cry. Good.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have to explain to you what it is he is saying. You think wah you are saying the terminators lose when he explained the rationale behind why that tactic won't work. it's simple or so i thought but the fanboy sees past logic and reasoning only to the outcome. dark road.
Once again you failed to grasp the implications of what he said and I have to hold your hand and explain it to you. He didn't "ban" time travel, but he effectively made a ruling that time travel will be useless in this fight. Which we know from 3 Terminator films that time travel is Skynet's MO. So he's effectively neutering Skynet from the start and it's a no contest.
Now go away, as I said the adults are talking.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you made a thread with the premise that The Matrix is predestined to win.What's the point then? Of course The Matrix wins if you're saying that the OP meant it can't lose all along.
No. I made a thread where both Skynet and Matrix are alive and well at the present. That means that they both survived whatever attempts have been made in the past to shut them down. The predestined stuff comes in when you try to use time travelling back to the past to shut one of them down, regardless of whether it be Skynet or Matrix. Fact that they are both fully operational at present means that they were predestined to survive up till this point.
So what I'm trying to say here is, time travelling to disable one or the other from the past just isn't going to work. So let's focus instead on discussing who wins in an all out battle in the present.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No. I made a thread where both Skynet and Matrix are alive and well at the present. That means that they both survived whatever attempts have been made in the past to shut them down. The predestined stuff comes in when you try to use time travelling back to the past to shut one of them down, regardless of whether it be Skynet or Matrix. Fact that they are both fully operational at present means that they were predestined to survive up till this point.So what I'm trying to say here is, time travelling to disable one or the other from the past just isn't going to work. So let's focus instead on discussing who wins in an all out battle in the present.
ie You're not allowing Skynet's greatest strength from the OP cos of the predestined notion. Which is silly in a Vs match.
Time Travel could work here without it, as it's possible for Skynet to go back in time defeat The Matrix in the pas and create an alternate future time-line for itself (watch Star Trek as an example).
Originally posted by Lestov16
If John Connor could obtain time-travel tech and use it to counter Skynet time travel, there's no way in hell an army of squiddies shouldn't be able to do the same.
The humans did so by fighting and taking over one of Skynets "time-displacement" facilities (I think that's the word Kyle used in T1), which we learned it was predestined they would in T3.
There's no way of saying that the Matrix squids will luck into this, or know how to use one if they happen to find and take one over.
Originally posted by RobtardI know that's exactly what I said. he said the tactic would be worthless here since they can't stop the Matrix anymore than they stopped John Connor. You really lack comprehension skills.
Once again you failed to grasp the implications of what he said and I have to hold your hand and explain it to you. He didn't "ban" time travel, but he effectively made a ruling that time travel will be useless in this fight. Which we know from 3 Terminator films that time travel is Skynet's MO. So he's effectively neutering Skynet from the start and it's a no contest.Now go away, as I said the adults are talking.
I had to spoonfeed to you what he meant. You took it as he decided the winner when he just explained how useless the tactic was just like in the terminator movies. Irony.