Originally posted by RobtardHahaha. Forget the terminator films but instead watch time star trek. You are a fanboy of the highest order.
ie You're not allowing Skynet's greatest strength from the OP cos of the predestined notion. Which is silly in a Vs match.Time Travel could work here without it, as it's possible for Skynet to go back in time defeat The Matrix in the pas and create an alternate future time-line for itself (watch Star Trek as an example).
Originally posted by Robtard
ie You're not allowing Skynet's greatest strength from the OP cos of the predestined notion. Which is silly in a Vs match.Time Travel could work here without it, as it's possible for Skynet to go back in time defeat The Matrix in the pas and create an alternate future time-line for itself (watch Star Trek as an example).
The T3 and T4 movies have already addressed this issue. No matter what people/machines do in the past, they can only postpone the future but they can't alter it. This isn't Star Trek. All I'm doing is using rules already established in the terminator movies. I don't understand why you keep insisting that time travelling to the past can change anything despite the fact that 4 terminator movies have already proven otherwise.
And again, Skynet only resorted to time travel once they were about to be destroyed. Are you telling me that without the time travel, you believe the Matrix to have the upperhand in an all out war?
Originally posted by FrothByte👆
I didn't ban time travel, but if you want a better analogy of why time travel won't work then it's simply because:The fact that the Matrix is already existing in the current timeline means that any and all attempts to destroy it in the past has failed. Any terminator sent back through time will fail in destroying the Matrix simply because the Matrix already exists in the future, which means that the Matrix is predestined to survive up till the current timeline.
That's the same reason why Skynet didn't fall even if Dyson was killed in T2. Judgement day and Skynet had to pass regardless of what was done in the past.
Same is true in this scenario.
I've argued this before TIME TRAVEL SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN VS THREADS.
Why?
1. It's leaving the battleground. BFR. Battlefield Removal.
2. Sending soldiers back in time alters the future in myriad ways. And destroys the battleground the present fight is taking place in.
3. Just what will the Terminators do to stop the machines from the Matrix from achieving their destiny anyways?
Time Travel is a poor reason to give Skynet a win in this fight. Besides if the humans received Time Travel tech in the Sarah Conner Chronicles it shouldn't be hard for the enemy to as well.
The machines in the Matrix Universe are more devastating as a force. More intelligent and more manipulative.
Skynet struggled with the human resistance whereas the machines from the Matrixverse utterly enslaved them and had no fear of their small human resistance.
Matrix wins this. The Sentinels would overwhelm most of Skynet's machines. And the Terminator universes' AI just doesn't compare.
Originally posted by the ninjakIt is completely ridiculous too and defeats the whole purpose of the thread anyway. I just entertained it due to rob's whole "my guys must win because I like them more type mentality."
I've argued this before TIME TRAVEL SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN VS THREADS.Why?
1. It's leaving the battleground. BFR. Battlefield Removal.
2. Sending soldiers back in time alters the future in myriad ways. And destroys the battleground the present fight is taking place in.
3. Just what will the Terminators do to stop the machines from the Matrix from achieving their destiny anyways?Time Travel is a poor reason to give Skynet a win in this fight. Besides if the humans received Time Travel tech in the Sarah Conner Chronicles it shouldn't be hard for the enemy to as well.
The machines in the Matrix Universe are more devastating as a force. More intelligent and more manipulative.
Skynet struggled with the human resistance whereas the machines from the Matrixverse utterly enslaved them and had no fear of their small human resistance.Matrix wins this. The Sentinels would overwhelm most of Skynet's machines. And the Terminator universes' AI just doesn't compare.
Rob's going to continue to cry though since his fave lost. Prepare yourself to comfort a grown tard.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The T3 and T4 movies have already addressed this issue. No matter what people/machines do in the past, they can only postpone the future but they can't alter it. This isn't Star Trek. All I'm doing is using rules already established in the terminator movies. I don't understand why you keep insisting that time travelling to the past can change anything despite the fact that 4 terminator movies have already proven otherwise.And again, Skynet only resorted to time travel once they were about to be destroyed. Are you telling me that without the time travel, you believe the Matrix to have the upperhand in an all out war?
You're ignoring that the time travel issue not working was due to the humans needing to win, cos they're the heroes and the movie isn't going to end in a down note. 'The hero must win' rules don't apply in the MVF, The Matrix isn't the hero here; those same "time travel didn't work against humanity" rules shouldn't apply to them.
That's the movie, if you're going to dictate that Skynet has to follow the same rules as it did in the film despite this being an entirely different scenario, then it's telling.
And no, without time travel Skynet still wins, it has nukes and it has machines that can hack into and control other machines.
Originally posted by RobtardSo you cried over a tactic not being used despite believing Skynet wins anyways ? 😂
You're ignoring that the time travel issue not working was due to the humans needing to win, cos they're the heroes and the movie isn't going to end in a down note. 'The hero must win' rules don't apply in the MVF, The Matrix isn't the hero here; those same "time travel didn't work against humanity" rules shouldn't apply to them.That's the movie, if you're going to dictate that Skynet has to follow the same rules as it did in the film despite this being an entirely different scenario, then it's telling.
And no, without time travel Skynet still wins, it has nukes and it has machines that can hack into and control other machines.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you cried over a tactic not being used despite believing Skynet wins anyways ? 😂
It's the principle of fairness, you wouldn't understand with your constant 'argument from bias' approach.
Now go try and troll elsewhere, adults are discussing a decent match without troll attempts and rantings.
Originally posted by Robtard
And no, without time travel Skynet still wins, it has nukes and it has machines that can hack into and control other machines.
Oh shit son i forgot about nukes. I think i have to alter my answer. Besides Skynet could just target the "human fields" effectively cutting off the Matrix' power supply.
I'm still leaning toward Matrix but Skynet isn't getting stomped
Originally posted by RobtardSo a tactic in which the two sides never oppose each other is fair while ignoring the same principles it didn't work in it's own movies.
It's the principle of fairness, you wouldn't understand with your constant 'argument from bias' approach.Now go try and troll elsewhere, adults are discussing a decent match without troll attempts and rantings.
😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
So a tactic in which the two sides never oppose each other is fair while ignoring the same principles it didn't work in it's own movies.😂
Marwash already covered that. Already covered "the villain loses" clause not applying in the MVF.
Keep clowning and trying to ruin yet another thread, or you can try and add something on topic to why your favorite wins.
Originally posted by RobtardIt has nothing to do with that. The reason it fails at it's core is because they already existed so they can't stop it just like with the Matrix. marwash just cracks jokes he can't debate worth a shit.
Marwash already covered that. Already covered "the villain loses" clause not applying in the MVF.Keep clowning and trying to ruin yet another thread, or you can try and add something on topic to why your favorite wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You gave his entire post a thumbs up in which he still leans towards the Matrix.
It was towards his open-mindedness and willingness to listen.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It has nothing to do with that. The reason it fails at it's core is because they already existed so they can't stop it just like with the Matrix. marwash just cracks jokes he can't debate worth a shit.
/derp
This is actually a decent match up, so I'm just going to ignore your clowning in this one, as to not derail it and reply to others that actually want to have a discussion. No hard feelings.