Originally posted by zopzopBut, he DID bust a galaxy. So, he was telling the truth about his power.
No. What's idiotic is clinging to that scan you posted when I showed you the ENTIRE PAGE in context.There was no galaxy busting power on display there, not even planet busting. Surtur was going to "destroy" the Earth by melting it's ice caps. 😆
FAIL.
Shouldn't you be painting your eggs? 😄 Instead of losing a debate?
Originally posted by Horrificus
I am thinking that, if you destroy the core of a galaxy, that is probably the end of that galaxy.
So, he did end up destroying that galaxy after all.
Also destroying a galaxy by taking out it's core, because you caused a chain reaction is nice but not as impressive as outright destroying a galaxy straight up.
It's like that match/gas leak example I gave.
Originally posted by zopzopWell, most of a galaxy's mass is located at it's core, sooo...
But that has nothing to do with the scan you posted.Also destroying a galaxy by taking out it's core, because you caused a chain reaction is nice but not as impressive as outright destroying a galaxy straight up.
It's like that match/gas leak example I gave.
Originally posted by leonidas
in the galactus/scrier/other battle, narration said they were a threat to the universe. never happened though, so.....hyperbole? i assume you don't believe that was true since it wasn't shown, right?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not really. Their fight was literally bringing all of reality to its breaking point, which was the whole reason that Thor, Surfer and Rachel fired that amped Godblast at them to bring the 3 Abstracts to their senses.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee214/DaMan9935/HulkvsSurfer/TMThorAnnual1008.jpg
While I understand that you brought this up to rebut zop, I wonder why you didn't use the Odin/Seth battle as an example to do so, considering that their "multiversal rocking" was only limited to Dr Strange making a claim, and then immediately saying that the net damage from the battle would seemingly endanger countless galaxies.
well, i'll not get into a terminology battle (reality, creation, universe, all were mentioned at one time iirc), but scrier also said galactus had no intention of bringing about the end of the universe that sustained him (of course the universe would end if the multiverse did i suppose...) interpret that as you will. maybe the 3 really were going to end all realities/creation/the omniverse. i just have a hard time believing that in light of other evidence as relates to galactus. much different imo to say surtur can destroy a single galaxy than that galactus even with the others could destroy the....creation/multiverse/omniverse. not sure where you stop once you start ascribing those types of terms. you may think the black celestial arc adds support, but this is a very different scenario imo, and that g was tampered with. anyway, maybe scrier and the other ARE that powerful though. still i need more before i credit the 3 of them as being able to break about the......everything?
oh, and the seth/odin battle wasn't brought up because i already know zop's views on that battle. he's made them clear in a few threads.
Originally posted by HorrificusWell, most of a galaxy's mass is located at it's core, sooo...
According to the law of physics. Matter is attracted by gravity.
The more matter you have the more gravity exists in a system.
Granted our galaxy has a lot of mass, it is not distributed evenly.
Take our solar system for example.
The sun is the center of our solar system, and everything spirals around it.
Spin to slow and it will be sucked into the sun.
Spin to fast and you break the suns gravitational field.
To keep us in place, there has to be an inward force strong enough to keep
the galaxy in its shape. Only a supermassive black hole has the force to do that.
*** But then there's this:
Most of the Galaxy's mass is uniformly distributed throughout the disk:
The reason is well known to astronomers as the "galaxy rotation curve
problem". More distant bodies in our galaxy are expected to rotate with less
and less velocity as the distance from the center of the galaxy increases.
However, we do not observe this. To account for this, the presence of dark
matter, uniformly distributed throughout the galaxy, has been hypothesized.
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Regardless of the right view,
the Galactic Core still has to be between
Millions to BillionS of times the mass of our Sun,
depending on the size of whatever galaxy.
Originally posted by leonidas
well, i'll not get into a terminology battle (reality, creation, universe, all were mentioned at one time iirc), but scrier also said galactus had no intention of bringing about the end of the universe that sustained him (of course the universe would end if the multiverse did i suppose...) interpret that as you will. maybe the 3 really were going to end all realities/creation/the omniverse. i just have a hard time believing that in light of other evidence as relates to galactus. much different imo to say surtur can destroy a single galaxy than that galactus even with the others could destroy the....creation/multiverse/omniverse. not sure where you stop once you start ascribing those types of terms. you may think the black celestial arc adds support, but this is a very different scenario imo, and that g was tampered with. anyway, maybe scrier and the other ARE that powerful though. still i need more before i credit the 3 of them as being able to break about the......everything?oh, and the seth/odin battle wasn't brought up because i already know zop's views on that battle. he's made them clear in a few threads.
It's just that on-panel he was shown to directly destroy only the core of a galaxy. That much is enough to initiate a cascade of sorts to cause the gravitational collapse of the rest of the galaxy, annihilating it of sorts. It's an impressive feat either way one looks at it.'
This part though:
Originally posted by leonidas
still i need more before i credit the 3 of them as being able to break about the......everything?
Originally posted by Mr Master
That should be the logical truth based on this:According to the law of physics. Matter is attracted by gravity.
The more matter you have the more gravity exists in a system.
Granted our galaxy has a lot of mass, it is not distributed evenly.Take our solar system for example.
The sun is the center of our solar system, and everything spirals around it.
Spin to slow and it will be sucked into the sun.
Spin to fast and you break the suns gravitational field.
To keep us in place, there has to be an inward force strong enough to keep
the galaxy in its shape. Only a supermassive black hole has the force to do that.*** But then there's this:
Most of the Galaxy's mass is uniformly distributed throughout the disk:
The reason is well known to astronomers as the "galaxy rotation curve
problem". More distant bodies in our galaxy are expected to rotate with less
and less velocity as the distance from the center of the galaxy increases.
However, we do not observe this. To account for this, the presence of dark
matter, uniformly distributed throughout the galaxy, has been hypothesized.--------------------------------------------
Regardless of the right view,
the Galactic Core still has to be between
Millions to BillionS of times the mass of our Sun,
depending on the size of whatever galaxy.
I see some of you have a lack of knowledge when it comes to Galactic composition/the laws of physics...
1st off, most matter and energy in a galaxy (and the universe itself for that matter) is composed of dark matter and dark energy; black holes are neither of these...
2nd, the supermassive black holes in the center of galaxies are NOT massive enough to hold the galaxy together; dark matter filaments are needed to do this...there simply isnt enough regular matter around to get this job done.
Some of you guys should have written comic books since your knowledge of the cosmos seems to be on par with some of these guys who write comicbooks!
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Read a whole post smart guy.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI see some of you have a lack of knowledge
when it comes to Galactic composition/the laws of physics...1st off, most matter and energy in a galaxy (and the universe itself
for that matter) is composed of dark matter and dark
energy; black holes are neither of these...2nd, the supermassive black holes in the center of galaxies are
NOT massive enough to hold the galaxy together; dark matter
filaments are needed to do this...there simply isnt enough regular
matter around to get this job done.Some of you guys should have written comic books since your
knowledge of the cosmos seems to be on par with some of these
guys who write comicbooks!
Originally posted by Mr Master*** But then there's this:
Most of the Galaxy's mass is uniformly distributed throughout the disk:
The reason is well known to astronomers as the "galaxy rotation curve
problem".More distant bodies in our galaxy are expected to rotate with less
and less velocity as the distance from the center of the galaxy increases.However, we do not observe this.
To account for this, the presence of dark
matter, uniformly distributed throughout the galaxy,
has been hypothesized.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Read a whole post smart guy.ka-dur ...
I did and you smartly edited out the parts of your original post that were in error...
According to you, only a supermassive black hole is massive enough to keep a galaxies shape together; this is blatantly false...
The comment about most matter/energy being dark was actually directed at that Horrificus guy; he wrote that most of a galaxies mass is contained in its SMBH...that too is blatantly wrong.
So both of you guys are in error...
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I think it's pretty clear cut what happened both in the Odin/Seth fight and the Galactus/Scrier/Other fight. It's futile to argue against what's stated on-panel. And again, nobody is disputing that Surtur is capable of destroying a galaxy. Except for zopzop perhaps.It's just that on-panel he was shown to directly destroy only the core of a galaxy. That much is enough to initiate a cascade of sorts to cause the gravitational collapse of the rest of the galaxy, annihilating it of sorts. It's an impressive feat either way one looks at it.'
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This part though:I presume the same standard should be applicable to the Odin/Seth fight as well then? [/B]
sure. you're of course always free to accept or refuse to accept whatever you like. if you think it was hyperbole or false narration or...whatever, and you don't think odin/seth actually shook the multiverse based on what was shown and said in that book, that is certainly your prerogative. 👆
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI did and you smartly edited out the parts of your original post that were in error...
I didn't edit anything out. I highlighted the rest of my post
which clearly references DARK MATTER as the culprit that glues galaxies.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderAccording to you, only a supermassive black hole is massive
enough to keep a galaxies shape together; this is blatantly false...
What are you talking about dude?
Here we go again, just let it go.
You made a silly remark without any justification concerning me.
I'm willing to let it slide, but you know I'm not in the wrong here.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThe comment about most matter/energy being dark was actually
directed at that Horrificus guy; he wrote that most of a galaxies
mass is contained in its SMBH...that too is blatantly wrong.So both of you guys are in error...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderNo, Mr. Master was correct. You are just being a smart a$$. But, I guess that's ok. 😄
I did and you smartly edited out the parts of your original post that were in error...According to you, only a supermassive black hole is massive enough to keep a galaxies shape together; this is blatantly false...
The comment about most matter/energy being dark was actually directed at that Horrificus guy; he wrote that most of a galaxies mass is contained in its SMBH...that too is blatantly wrong.
So both of you guys are in error...
And, I never said most of a galaxy's mass is contained in it's SMBH. I said it was contained in it's core, which is what Surtur supposedly had destroyed.
Originally posted by HorrificusAnd, I am correct. Thanks for playing. No need to educate anyone on black holes or dark matter or the part dark matter plays in the mysterious "Missing Matter of the Universe" issue.
Well, most of a galaxy's mass is located at it's core, sooo...
Unfortunately, most other comic book fans are also privy to ALL secrets of the universe!
TheLordofMurder you didnt form any kind of response to my statement i will post it again
me knowing how the fight went has nothing to do with the fact i simply asked you to post the scans so i can make myself more clear, if you got some E rage just because someone ask if you can post the scans then i would recommend a psychological help.
how is my argument fail if you didnt adress my point nor did you deflect them.
as i said again if you reffering to the dust in the first pannel and then disappearing then as i said before a small portion of dust can vanish within mere seconds, its not a sand storm but a minor portion of dust, beside that do we know the dust is all gone from the air? i think the artist intention was to portray a situation where you can suddenly see thanos therefor its a visibility issue , however as i pointed out such a portion of dust can disappear within mere seconds at least to the point the object is visible.
prove it, i say the rest of the panels simply put a dramatic spotlight on his get up movement prove me wrong, show me an evidence or proof that there was some period of time between each pannel which can put this whole scene as you say it was.
you really have some mental issues arent you, "tactics to win this argument"? "back against the wall"? you realise its just a forum discussion right? you realise we are not in court and you are not judged to life or death right? and you do realise i am not trying any tactic but just having a discussion and looking at the events from a more deep point of view, i presented you an option which you just cant decline because there is no way you can prove that there was a significant time period between each of those panels, so instead of saying "hey thats a possibility" you just go ape shit like i just stole the politzer prize from you, again you did not reffer to my points with anything but insults, i seriously think you should seek professional help since it seems like you are losing attachment to reality.
of course odin had a chance to attack thanos no question about that, however you are trying to stretch it to the point you can think odin could go back home watch some NFL eat shome chips come back and thanos would be still getting up, again if you cannot prove there was a time period between those scans you cannot say it took thanos that much of a time to get up and regroup himself.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, because it was obvious that the writer meant for the one-sided beatdown to imply that Thanos would have won.Great logic.
how was that a one sided beatdown if they were kind of even before odin pulls out the trident? it was clear odins attacks on thanos until that point did slightly more damage however you see thanos attacks also effects odin to some degree, denying that is just trolling.
eventually odin had the upper hand however thanos was not done so what makes you think odin won a fight that never was finished? you got some super powers to see unwriten things?
oh and as for the guy who said odin is destroying other skyfathers and just dominate that devision.... surtur begs to differ...
Originally posted by Horrificus
Odin got the fight to the point where he could have executed Thanos, but was stopped by outside interference.That is all there is to it. Thanos was unable to effect Odin, let alone harm him.
Gungnir is infused with Odin's power and focuses that power. It does not add to it or enhance it.
i dont think he could have execute thanos, if he needed his trident to channel his energy in a better way and basically got serious with thanos and thanos still wasnt ready to give up then its only a speculation odin could finish him at that point.
as i mentioned earlier odin had time to attack before thanos could regroup however IMO it wasnt that of a major window to basically do to thanos what ever he wants as people here are stating.
yes thanos WAS able to effect odin, if you watch the fight his attacks made odin go off balance and the art clearly showed us odin was effected, of course not to the point he was hurt thats silly however odin WAS effected by thanos.
show me where did i state his trident amps him? my point is odin felt he need to get serious with thanos therefor he pulls out his trident that helps him channel his energy in a better way, its still a fact he needed his artifact because if he didnt need it he simply would never pull it out.
also let it be mentioned the fight took place in asgard where odin is more powerful, also when thanos is trying to take away odins trident odin with both hands cant free his trident from thanos grip with 1 hand.
i dont think thanos can beat odin and i do believe if that fight would continue odin would beat thanos even further, however there are many odin wankers over here who love to discredit thanos from his performance vs odin which just asks for someone to interfere and tell them how dumb they are.
